Griz Secondary?

[THE HERD]

Gonna be new people in there or just counting on one more year of experience?

both.......yesterday hermy and bo were the no 1's and romminger was the ss and whitted was the fs for the no 2's

I can't add any any actual information but I think it will be really fun to beat the cats at the end of the regular season forcing them to go to Fargo for the first round...we will catch y'all further down the road. Also, 2011 and 2012 stats aside, JJ brings more than his passing to this team. Leadership and confidence will get us those first downs we couldn't manage last year.

Nothing we would love to see more than the cats being forced(cuz obviously thats what it will take) to come to the Fargo Dome. We would definitely break some decibel records if that happened! Speaking of JJ though, I think that guy transforms your team from average to very very good. He has some nice speed and seemed to throw the ball well also, although the only games I've seen him play were UNI and SHSU.

 

[brootgrizr]

Herd, you started by asking about the secondary and now this thing has slid around to JJ. To answer your original question - it sure looks like we will be better, but this is summer not fall or winter. We will have to wait for the seasons to change to know for sure. If nothing else, I think they will be more rested than last year because of the JJ and the boys on his side of the ball.

 

[getgrizzy]

our passing and rushing numbers in 2011 and 2012 are almost exactly the same. 4.9 per run and 6.9 per pass in 2012; 4.8 and 7.0 in 2011. a big difference was we fumbled it away 13 times in 11 games last year and just 8 times in 14 games in 2011. shoring up the turnovers and creating more is the big diff between good teams and bad teams. we did poorly in that area and it cost us. thinking that the return of j.j. fixes everything is foolish.

 

[Darksim]

our passing and rushing numbers in 2011 and 2012 are almost exactly the same. 4.9 per run and 6.9 per pass in 2012; 4.8 and 7.0 in 2011. a big difference was we fumbled it away 13 times in 11 games last year and just 8 times in 14 games in 2011. shoring up the turnovers and creating more is the big diff between good teams and bad teams. we did poorly in that area and it cost us. thinking that the return of j.j. fixes everything is foolish.

Haven't look at the stats in awhile but I would say part the of reason for the bad season last year was all the picked off throws.

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[Alaska Griz]

getgrizzy,
not gonna look up stats. Numbers tell about half the story. Anyone who's been watching Griz football for the last twenty years can see why we were unsuccesful last year and from watching an ever-improving JJ in 2011, it makes sense to be optimistic. There are a ton of other reasons, but if you haven't figured them out by now, perhaps you are content in your position. Great. I am confident the griz will be very good this year. For what it's worth, I believe this is one of the biggest (on the lines),the fastest (in skill positions), and most athletic team we have ever fielded. I pray for good fortune and improved coaching. That is all.

 

[WILD_CAT]

How do you know when it is GRIZ football season? EGRIZ cannot make it to the 1st game w/out a few egrizzers getting into an useless stupid pissing match! Only the results on the field this season will tell the story. Last season the pass defense was PATHETIC. Fortunately the pass defense did look better to close out the season.

As for JJ, we cannot prove how many W's he was worth last year. Would have we won more? Yes. Would have made the playoffs? Most likely yes. His qb play and consistency would have changed the dynamics of offense, defense, and special teams. Would have he had a stinker game or 2, resulting in a GRIZ loss or 2? Likely he would have struggled a game or 2. Very seldom do QB's make it a full season without at least one bad game.

As for this season, even Gregorak has acknowledged the pass defense has to be more aggressive. I have said it before the end of last season, that will be the #1 thing I am looking at from the get go this season. If I don't see a more aggressive pass defense this season, I will be extremely disappointed in our coaching staff, especially Gregorak. I am a huge advocate of Ty, and feel he will be one hell of a DC. His future is being tested this season. This is a critical year, not only for the GRIZ, but for him too. I have faithTy will have more aggressive strategy, and his players do not perform, then that will show he has the wrong personnel. If they struggle in pass defense because of lame ass conservative strategy, then that is 100% on him. I believe the likely outcome is a much improved pass defense, and he strengthens his coaching future.

With that said, feel free to continue the pissing match.

The Griz play extremely aggressive with their front 7 already. If you do that you need to have a solid base secondary play because if you are aggressive there and the front 7 doesn't get there .... HOME RUN. I think the secondary would be worse if they are aggressive because they were giving WR's a lot of space last year and they were still running by them.

 

[getgrizzy]

our passing and rushing numbers in 2011 and 2012 are almost exactly the same. 4.9 per run and 6.9 per pass in 2012; 4.8 and 7.0 in 2011. a big difference was we fumbled it away 13 times in 11 games last year and just 8 times in 14 games in 2011. shoring up the turnovers and creating more is the big diff between good teams and bad teams. we did poorly in that area and it cost us. thinking that the return of j.j. fixes everything is foolish.

Haven't look at the stats in awhile but I would say part the of reason for the bad season last year was all the picked off throws.

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threw 11 in 2012, 12 in 2011.

 

[getgrizzy]

getgrizzy,
not gonna look up stats. Numbers tell about half the story. Anyone who's been watching Griz football for the last twenty years can see why we were unsuccesful last year and from watching an ever-improving JJ in 2011, it makes sense to be optimistic. There are a ton of other reasons, but if you haven't figured them out by now, perhaps you are content in your position. Great. I am confident the griz will be very good this year. For what it's worth, I believe this is one of the biggest (on the lines),the fastest (in skill positions), and most athletic team we have ever fielded. I pray for good fortune and improved coaching. That is all.

oh i think we'll be very good too. i just happen to think our run game will be the reason. another difference between 2013 and 2011 is we don't have t.j. our secondary had three players on the first or second team that year. i don't see that coming out of this group. the front seven might be as good, but even that is a tall order. so like i said its more than just j.j.

 

[garizzalies]

if any of you can find just one post that shows that i sound like a cat fan please post it and i'll quit posting here forever.

:lol: all we have to do is throw a dart....

 

[BigPawzSharpClawz]

The Griz secondary(specifically your safeties)gonna be any better than last year? Just wondering after seeing what the Whioux did to ya in Grand Forks and Appy coming into your house with thier stacked recieving core......could get a little ugly. I mean no offence by starting a thread on your board, just can't wait for the season to get rolling and need to pass the time some how!

Cant complete passes from your backside! Pass rush & front seven will be the key.

 

[snap]

if any of you can find just one post that shows that i sound like a cat fan please post it and i'll quit posting here forever.

:lol: all we have to do is throw a dart....

:clap:

 

[mtgrizrule]

How do you know when it is GRIZ football season? EGRIZ cannot make it to the 1st game w/out a few egrizzers getting into an useless stupid pissing match! Only the results on the field this season will tell the story. Last season the pass defense was PATHETIC. Fortunately the pass defense did look better to close out the season.

As for JJ, we cannot prove how many W's he was worth last year. Would have we won more? Yes. Would have made the playoffs? Most likely yes. His qb play and consistency would have changed the dynamics of offense, defense, and special teams. Would have he had a stinker game or 2, resulting in a GRIZ loss or 2? Likely he would have struggled a game or 2. Very seldom do QB's make it a full season without at least one bad game.

As for this season, even Gregorak has acknowledged the pass defense has to be more aggressive. I have said it before the end of last season, that will be the #1 thing I am looking at from the get go this season. If I don't see a more aggressive pass defense this season, I will be extremely disappointed in our coaching staff, especially Gregorak. I am a huge advocate of Ty, and feel he will be one hell of a DC. His future is being tested this season. This is a critical year, not only for the GRIZ, but for him too. I have faithTy will have more aggressive strategy, and his players do not perform, then that will show he has the wrong personnel. If they struggle in pass defense because of lame ass conservative strategy, then that is 100% on him. I believe the likely outcome is a much improved pass defense, and he strengthens his coaching future.

With that said, feel free to continue the pissing match.

The Griz play extremely aggressive with their front 7 already. If you do that you need to have a solid base secondary play because if you are aggressive there and the front 7 doesn't get there .... HOME RUN. I think the secondary would be worse if they are aggressive because they were giving WR's a lot of space last year and they were still running by them.

I am not saying to be aggressive to the point of making consistent errors. I am saying, last year the strategy and play was so conservative most the year, the secondary defense was predictable. Opposing coaches easily planned and prepared for our pass Efense (intentionally left the D out, because the D was not in the pass defense most the year). Pregame articles and post games interviews were opposing coaches saying things like "We prepared well for what we knew they would give us." Okay not those exact words but similar statements. Opposing coaching staffs had to be licking their chops last year preparing for the GRIZ defense. Pretty easy to prepare a game play. GRIZ front 7 is extremely good against the run. Pass defense is conservative and give away the quick hitch, slants, and short curl routes all day. If they happen to play tight man, or cover 2 throw to whichever WR that will be matched up against their safeties.

When I say "more aggressive" I mean play something other than their soft prevent like shell defense more often. I know the GRIZ ran other schemes last season, but that defensive scheme was way too high to give our defense a legit shot at stopping our opponents. It seemed most teams planned to just attack our defense primarily through the air, that is a sign that your team truly does have a glaring weakness.

On the brightside, I honestly cannot see pass defense get worse being it was so bad last season, compared prior GRIZ defenses at least.

 

[Ursa Major]

Found it. In NAU game after getting a 10 point lead, UM had 10 drives with no points. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Some of the other games are similar problems as the game went on.

"In the NAU game, UM was kicking ass in the first 1.25 quarters. 3 TD's and 1 FG in 4 drives. 24-14 lead at half. Lost by 10. Then 2 fumbles and 3 interceptions and virtually no offensive production. The next 10 drives netted no points, until the 11th drive resulted in late TD pass in the last several minutes. In those 10 drives, 132 yards. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Longest drive, in terms of time, in those 10 drives, was 2:29. 3 of the first 5 of those 10 drives resulted in NAU getting the ball in UM territory, including on the UM 20 and 22. That put alot of pressure on the defense."

AZGrizFan also had some really good point too about how poor our red zone offense and defense were last year.

Yes, saw that, and AZGriz is correct.

+ 1 All three of you made some great points, especially you PR! That was an exceptionally well done report on last year's DBs! Looking forward to some very solid play from that group this year.

 

[AZGrizFan]

our passing and rushing numbers in 2011 and 2012 are almost exactly the same. 4.9 per run and 6.9 per pass in 2012; 4.8 and 7.0 in 2011. a big difference was we fumbled it away 13 times in 11 games last year and just 8 times in 14 games in 2011. shoring up the turnovers and creating more is the big diff between good teams and bad teams. we did poorly in that area and it cost us. thinking that the return of j.j. fixes everything is foolish.

You are like the resident turd in the punch bowl. You must be a fucking blast to hang out with....

Fuckin' Debbie Downer...

 

[getgrizzy]

our passing and rushing numbers in 2011 and 2012 are almost exactly the same. 4.9 per run and 6.9 per pass in 2012; 4.8 and 7.0 in 2011. a big difference was we fumbled it away 13 times in 11 games last year and just 8 times in 14 games in 2011. shoring up the turnovers and creating more is the big diff between good teams and bad teams. we did poorly in that area and it cost us. thinking that the return of j.j. fixes everything is foolish.

You are like the resident turd in the punch bowl. You must be a f***[*] blast to hang out with....

f***[*]' Debbie Downer...

reality is depressing? i guess it can be, but if you aren't realistic and you're doing poorly you'll be there.

 

[Thurman Murman]

our passing and rushing numbers in 2011 and 2012 are almost exactly the same. 4.9 per run and 6.9 per pass in 2012; 4.8 and 7.0 in 2011. a big difference was we fumbled it away 13 times in 11 games last year and just 8 times in 14 games in 2011. shoring up the turnovers and creating more is the big diff between good teams and bad teams. we did poorly in that area and it cost us. thinking that the return of j.j. fixes everything is foolish.

You are like the resident turd in the punch bowl. You must be a f***[*] blast to hang out with....

f***[*]' Debbie Downer...

reality is depressing? i guess it can be, but if you aren't realistic and you're doing poorly you'll be there.

Reality must be extra depressing for you. So much so that you, (a kitty fan) have to create an alternate personality on your rivals message board and try to get everyone to believe that you really are a griz fan and that the griz are terrible in all aspects. Pathetic.

 

[getgrizzy]

our passing and rushing numbers in 2011 and 2012 are almost exactly the same. 4.9 per run and 6.9 per pass in 2012; 4.8 and 7.0 in 2011. a big difference was we fumbled it away 13 times in 11 games last year and just 8 times in 14 games in 2011. shoring up the turnovers and creating more is the big diff between good teams and bad teams. we did poorly in that area and it cost us. thinking that the return of j.j. fixes everything is foolish.

You are like the resident turd in the punch bowl. You must be a f***[*] blast to hang out with....

f***[*]' Debbie Downer...

reality is depressing? i guess it can be, but if you aren't realistic and you're doing poorly you'll be there.

Reality must be extra depressing for you. So much so that you, (a kitty fan) have to create an alternate personality on your rivals message board and try to get everyone to believe that you really are a griz fan and that the griz are terrible in all aspects. Pathetic.

reality is the first step toward not being depressed. one thing it leads to is constructive criticism, but you've probably never heard of that either.

 

[AZGrizFan]

our passing and rushing numbers in 2011 and 2012 are almost exactly the same. 4.9 per run and 6.9 per pass in 2012; 4.8 and 7.0 in 2011. a big difference was we fumbled it away 13 times in 11 games last year and just 8 times in 14 games in 2011. shoring up the turnovers and creating more is the big diff between good teams and bad teams. we did poorly in that area and it cost us. thinking that the return of j.j. fixes everything is foolish.

You are like the resident turd in the punch bowl. You must be a f***[*] blast to hang out with....

f***[*]' Debbie Downer...

reality is depressing? i guess it can be, but if you aren't realistic and you're doing poorly you'll be there.

What's your prediction for how this season plays out then?

 

[getgrizzy]

our passing and rushing numbers in 2011 and 2012 are almost exactly the same. 4.9 per run and 6.9 per pass in 2012; 4.8 and 7.0 in 2011. a big difference was we fumbled it away 13 times in 11 games last year and just 8 times in 14 games in 2011. shoring up the turnovers and creating more is the big diff between good teams and bad teams. we did poorly in that area and it cost us. thinking that the return of j.j. fixes everything is foolish.

You are like the resident turd in the punch bowl. You must be a f***[*] blast to hang out with....

f***[*]' Debbie Downer...

reality is depressing? i guess it can be, but if you aren't realistic and you're doing poorly you'll be there.

What's your prediction for how this season plays out then?

9-3. losses to app, n.a.u. and m.s.u. the run game carries us, j.j. manages the game. the run d is good, the pass d costs us against app and m.s.u. we simply get upset be n.a.u. if not them then maybe some else. i don't see anyone going undefeated in league.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You are like the resident turd in the punch bowl. You must be a f***[*] blast to hang out with....

f***[*]' Debbie Downer...

reality is depressing? i guess it can be, but if you aren't realistic and you're doing poorly you'll be there.

What's your prediction for how this season plays out then?

9-3. losses to app, n.a.u. and m.s.u. the run game carries us, j.j. manages the game. the run d is good, the pass d costs us against app and m.s.u. we simply get upset be n.a.u. if not them then maybe some else. i don't see anyone going undefeated in league.

So, we go from 5-6 to 9-3 with the only major personnel change being at QB, yet somehow JJ doesn't "fix' eveything?