Griz Secondary?

[getgrizzy]

I didn't know you had injury issues, if thats the case I'm sure you guys will get the W against App being at home and having your qb back. Good Luck this season...hope to see ya in the playoffs :thumb:

No one believes UM's pass defense and secondary play was good last year, or even close to being up to par. This includes fans, players and coaches. There were obvious issues, especially as the season went on and especially given that UM was close to leading the nation in sacks. Contributing to the bad stats was the fact that many of the best passing teams in the nation are in the Big Sky. One starting safety had a toe/foot problem as well as a neck problem. One backup safety was lost for the season fairly early. I think another one down the depth chart was out too. At times, the 2 backups were hurt and out for a game or two. The 4 rotating corners were all young or new to the program. There were some pass coverage issues with the backers at times. All of this contributed to some awful games for the pass defense. There's a new safety coach this year. Young and played at Oregon St. Last year's coach was old with lots of coaching experience, but probably not into coaching at UM. There is no doubt the pass defense will be better this year, probably much better. The question is how much.

and our defense got worn out as the game went on because our offense couldnt substain many drives..

I don't think that's right, 420. Montana was third in total offense last year and ranked 11th nationally. The Griz had 625 plays on offense second only to MSU in conference. The Griz were seventh for punts. The Griz offense was ranked third for first downs.
The offense was 10th in time of possession, but was only 3:40 off the conference leader MSU.

careful. you might get accused of not being a fan.

 

[GrizPony]

No one believes UM's pass defense and secondary play was good last year, or even close to being up to par. This includes fans, players and coaches. There were obvious issues, especially as the season went on and especially given that UM was close to leading the nation in sacks. Contributing to the bad stats was the fact that many of the best passing teams in the nation are in the Big Sky. One starting safety had a toe/foot problem as well as a neck problem. One backup safety was lost for the season fairly early. I think another one down the depth chart was out too. At times, the 2 backups were hurt and out for a game or two. The 4 rotating corners were all young or new to the program. There were some pass coverage issues with the backers at times. All of this contributed to some awful games for the pass defense. There's a new safety coach this year. Young and played at Oregon St. Last year's coach was old with lots of coaching experience, but probably not into coaching at UM. There is no doubt the pass defense will be better this year, probably much better. The question is how much.

and our defense got worn out as the game went on because our offense couldnt substain many drives..

I don't think that's right, 420. Montana was third in total offense last year and ranked 11th nationally. The Griz had 625 plays on offense second only to MSU in conference. The Griz were seventh for punts. The Griz offense was ranked third for first downs.
The offense was 10th in time of possession, but was only 3:40 off the conference leader MSU.

careful. you might get accused of not being a fan.

No he actually posted information. Boo hoo someone picked on stoolzjizzy again. What a beta.

 

[getgrizzy]

translated means p.r. had no clue as usual. our secondary is basically the same batch as last year. since we're switching to a run-based offense they aren't getting worked much in practice. we're counting our o line and backs to keep the ball away from opposing offenses to protect the secondary this year. we need to get the lead early, get the ball back and then ground-n-pound. it's our best bet for getting back in the playoffs because our pass game is weak even with j.j. back. our top returning receiver only had 23 catches last year and we don't have much speed out their or a qb that can get it to them if we could. we can definitely run and stop the run, but pass and stop the pass is an adventure.

stoolzjizzy: Why do you pretend to be a Griz fan? Just curious.

why do you insist on burying your head in the sand? i just tell it like it is. someone has to or we look like a bunch of bush league fans.

getgrizzy has been consistently wrong on almost every subject he's ever posted on. I can't recall much he's ever been right on. Told us the ncaa had rejected UM's offer of 4 lost schollies and considering a playoff ban. Completely untrue. Just one of many examples. My post on the secondary is spot on. Front 7s can't protect secondaries most of the time. It just doesn't work that way. Only smaller things can be done and only on certain plays. UM may have the best speed at receiver that it's ever had. JJ has improved considerably from 2 years ago. Stronger and more accurate arm. Has the potential to be one of the premier qb's in the nation.

except i wasn't wrong. the ncaa did reject our proposal wih four schols because they added to it. read the report and weep. and I never said the ncaa was proposing a ban. i said that might be the reason they rejected our proposal.

 

[GrizPony]

Just shut up. You are wrong. Kill yourself.

 

[84GRIZ]

Well if I remember the major problem at UND was our D coordinator insisting that our three linebackers could run with the five wide outs you kept putting out there. If you have 5 wide outs and no tight ends and no running backs and you run for like 25 yards in the whole game why keep three linebackers in.

 

[getgrizzy]

pr. quit lying. my favorite was the coach that told j.j. was worth five more wins. no coach ever would've told you that. and no coach would tell you that because they all know you'll blab it all over here, which would demoralize a lot of our players.

 

[getgrizzy]

:lol:

Just shut up. You are wrong. Kill yourself.

:clap:

 

[GrizPony]

Does this mean you will? :clap:

 

[GrizPony]

Well if I remember the major problem at UND was our D coordinator insisting that our three linebackers could run with the five wide outs you kept putting out there. If you have 5 wide outs and no tight ends and no running backs and you run for like 25 yards in the whole game why keep three linebackers in.

I was at that game and it was sad. The kids all new the adjustments we needed to make and they weren't allowed by the staff. Truly a tragedy.

 

[grizcountry420]

I didn't know you had injury issues, if thats the case I'm sure you guys will get the W against App being at home and having your qb back. Good Luck this season...hope to see ya in the playoffs :thumb:

No one believes UM's pass defense and secondary play was good last year, or even close to being up to par. This includes fans, players and coaches. There were obvious issues, especially as the season went on and especially given that UM was close to leading the nation in sacks. Contributing to the bad stats was the fact that many of the best passing teams in the nation are in the Big Sky. One starting safety had a toe/foot problem as well as a neck problem. One backup safety was lost for the season fairly early. I think another one down the depth chart was out too. At times, the 2 backups were hurt and out for a game or two. The 4 rotating corners were all young or new to the program. There were some pass coverage issues with the backers at times. All of this contributed to some awful games for the pass defense. There's a new safety coach this year. Young and played at Oregon St. Last year's coach was old with lots of coaching experience, but probably not into coaching at UM. There is no doubt the pass defense will be better this year, probably much better. The question is how much.

and our defense got worn out as the game went on because our offense couldnt substain many drives..

I don't think that's right, 420. Montana was third in total offense last year and ranked 11th nationally. The Griz had 625 plays on offense second only to MSU in conference. The Griz were seventh for punts. The Griz offense was ranked third for first downs.
The offense was 10th in time of possession, but was only 3:40 off the conference leader MSU.

Thanks for those stats.. To me it just seem like the offense would be clicking right away and then all of a sudden we would hit a wall and that was it and the defense took the brunt of it. For example: The NAU game

 

[GrizMusician]

Honestly... I think our biggest issue with the secondary last year was coach Burtnett. He pretty much gave up on his players early in the season.

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[George Ferguson]

Pony and Player are right, because getgrizzy is extremely off base, and the proof is, you claim to see what the Griz are doing at practice. WRONG. Practices are closed and I know for a fact staff has been instructed not to discuss said practices. So no, you are not seeing what the Griz are running at practice. But you can read reports at GoGriz.com and in the Missoulian, and what I read is, the Griz are throwing quite a bit in practice. JJ threw two TD bombs yesterday and Shay had another, Ellis Henderson caught two of em, and the speed of the new Washington receiver, along with Henderson has been mentioned more than once. Am I saying this is the most talented Griz team ever? Nope. Am I predicting a national title or even a deep playoff run? Nope. But I know for a fact the Griz, and the players Getgrizzy mentioned above are a hell of alot better than he's saying, and I also know he hasn't seen a damn thing at practice. Unless of course, Getgrizzy is actually Bill Speltz. If he's not, then nope, he hasn't seen what the Griz are doing at practice.

 

[pussycatkillerz]

getgrizzly has a bobcat blue crystal ball

 

[griz4life]

Thanks for those stats.. To me it just seem like the offense would be clicking right away and then all of a sudden we would hit a wall and that was it and the defense took the brunt of it. For example: The NAU game

End of the third quarter, NAU executed a six play 61 yard drive that ended in a field goal, but kept the Griz defense on the field for 6:40. That's about as bad a sequence as you can imagine on defense. More than a minute a play?
At the beginning of the second quarter, NAU had an 8 play 75 yard drive that ended in a touchdown and lasted 4:01. Those two drives, 2nd quarter and 3rd quarter ones were by far the longest possessions of the game, basically equaling the difference in time of possession.

I agree that the Griz offense was terrible in the second half of that game-- it turned the ball over three times. But if you're the D, it's your job to get your opponent off the field. If you can't get them off the field, then it's your fault that you're all tuckered out.

 

[AZGrizFan]

No one believes UM's pass defense and secondary play was good last year, or even close to being up to par. This includes fans, players and coaches. There were obvious issues, especially as the season went on and especially given that UM was close to leading the nation in sacks. Contributing to the bad stats was the fact that many of the best passing teams in the nation are in the Big Sky. One starting safety had a toe/foot problem as well as a neck problem. One backup safety was lost for the season fairly early. I think another one down the depth chart was out too. At times, the 2 backups were hurt and out for a game or two. The 4 rotating corners were all young or new to the program. There were some pass coverage issues with the backers at times. All of this contributed to some awful games for the pass defense. There's a new safety coach this year. Young and played at Oregon St. Last year's coach was old with lots of coaching experience, but probably not into coaching at UM. There is no doubt the pass defense will be better this year, probably much better. The question is how much.

and our defense got worn out as the game went on because our offense couldnt substain many drives..

I don't think that's right, 420. Montana was third in total offense last year and ranked 11th nationally. The Griz had 625 plays on offense second only to MSU in conference. The Griz were seventh for punts. The Griz offense was ranked third for first downs.
The offense was 10th in time of possession, but was only 3:40 off the conference leader MSU.

Thanks for those stats.. To me it just seem like the offense would be clicking right away and then all of a sudden we would hit a wall and that was it and the defense took the brunt of it. For example: The NAU game

There's two VERY telling stats from last year that explain a LOT regarding a 5-6 record: Red Zone Offense and Red Zone Defense. There were only two teams worse in red zone offense than the Griz last year: Idaho State and Northern Colorado. 50 times we were in the red zone...we only scored on 39 of those (78%), and only 29 were TD's (58%)...Compare that with SUU & UND (two teams that beat us last year), who were 94% and 92% respectively in the red zone, with TD's scored 61 and 68% of the time. COMBINED, they missed ONE FG out of 24. The Griz missed a full 1/3 of their FG attempts from the Red Zone. This is how a team is FIRST in total offense, but only SIXTH in scoring offense for a season. And this is how you go from 8-3 to 5-6...all those games that we were a TD or less from winning....could have really used ONE more score.

And only two teams were worse on defense: Idaho State and Sacramento State. Griz gave up a score a full 90% of the time once a team got into the red zone. And opponents were a perfect 11/11 in FG's from inside the zone.

You combine THOSE stats and you get a 5-6 season. JJ will bring two HUGE advantages over any other QB on the roster:

a) He'll help finish more of those drives, resulting in more scores
b) Finishing drives keeps the defense off the field, keeps them fresher, and will help immensely late in the game.

In this scenario I would actually agree that JJ is worth 3-4 wins this season.

 

[getgrizzy]

Pony and Player are right, because getgrizzy is extremely off base, and the proof is, you claim to see what the Griz are doing at practice. WRONG. Practices are closed and I know for a fact staff has been instructed not to discuss said practices. So no, you are not seeing what the Griz are running at practice. But you can read reports at GoGriz.com and in the Missoulian, and what I read is, the Griz are throwing quite a bit in practice. JJ threw two TD bombs yesterday and Shay had another, Ellis Henderson caught two of em, and the speed of the new Washington receiver, along with Henderson has been mentioned more than once. Am I saying this is the most talented Griz team ever? Nope. Am I predicting a national title or even a deep playoff run? Nope. But I know for a fact the Griz, and the players Getgrizzy mentioned above are a hell of alot better than he's saying, and I also know he hasn't seen a damn thing at practice. Unless of course, Getgrizzy is actually Bill Speltz. If he's not, then nope, he hasn't seen what the Griz are doing at practice.

i never said i was at any practices or even implied as much. this was in speltz's story today:

Canada is excited to put his new physique to the test in Montana’s new pro-set offense.

“It’s a running scheme,” explained the California product, who is also a highly dependable receiver out of the backfield. “It’s on the shoulders of the running backs so I feel me and (backup running back) Tra (Van) are going to have outstanding years.

“We have a new fullback who is going to help us out,” he added, referring to Boise State transfer Jamal Wilson. “I think it’s beautiful. As a running back you can’t ask for more.”

thanks for backing me up on this bill. we are going to a run-based offense. that's the strength of our team. not passing. our qb doesn't have a strong or overly accurate arm and our wrs are green and not that fast. even if they were fast j.j. can't consistently get it to them deep. the furthest i've seen j.j. throw the ball is 50 yards and he put everything he had into it. his completion pct. was below 60% in 2011.

 

[griz4life]

I believe NAU was barely ahead of Montana in redzone offense. They were one win away from a co championship.

 

[Thurman Murman]

I didn't know you had injury issues, if thats the case I'm sure you guys will get the W against App being at home and having your qb back. Good Luck this season...hope to see ya in the playoffs :thumb:

No one believes UM's pass defense and secondary play was good last year, or even close to being up to par. This includes fans, players and coaches. There were obvious issues, especially as the season went on and especially given that UM was close to leading the nation in sacks. Contributing to the bad stats was the fact that many of the best passing teams in the nation are in the Big Sky. One starting safety had a toe/foot problem as well as a neck problem. One backup safety was lost for the season fairly early. I think another one down the depth chart was out too. At times, the 2 backups were hurt and out for a game or two. The 4 rotating corners were all young or new to the program. There were some pass coverage issues with the backers at times. All of this contributed to some awful games for the pass defense. There's a new safety coach this year. Young and played at Oregon St. Last year's coach was old with lots of coaching experience, but probably not into coaching at UM. There is no doubt the pass defense will be better this year, probably much better. The question is how much.

translated means p.r. had no clue as usual. our secondary is basically the same batch as last year. since we're switching to a run-based offense they aren't getting tested much in practice. we're counting our o line and backs to keep the ball away from opposing offenses to protect the secondary this year. we need to get the lead early, get the ball back and then ground-n-pound. it's our best bet for getting back in the playoffs because our pass game is weak even with j.j. back. our top returning receiver only had 23 catches last year and we don't have much speed out there or a qb that can get it to them if we could. we can definitely run and stop the run, but pass and stop the pass is an adventure.

If you are going to try to play the role of a griz fan you really should take some acting classes or something. Every one of your posts makes it so obvious that you are a cat fan. You can do better, just believe in yourself.

 

[PlayerRep]

pr. quit lying. my favorite was the coach that told j.j. was worth five more wins. no coach ever would've told you that. and no coach would tell you that because they all know you'll blab it all over here, which would demoralize a lot of our players.

Actually, several coaches said at differently times that JJ was worth 4 or 5 wins. Delaney has said publicly that JJ was worth several wins. The players know how valuable JJ was going to be and is. It's no surprise to them. As usual, you don't know what you're talking about and just throwing mud.

 

[PlayerRep]

I didn't know you had injury issues, if thats the case I'm sure you guys will get the W against App being at home and having your qb back. Good Luck this season...hope to see ya in the playoffs :thumb:

No one believes UM's pass defense and secondary play was good last year, or even close to being up to par. This includes fans, players and coaches. There were obvious issues, especially as the season went on and especially given that UM was close to leading the nation in sacks. Contributing to the bad stats was the fact that many of the best passing teams in the nation are in the Big Sky. One starting safety had a toe/foot problem as well as a neck problem. One backup safety was lost for the season fairly early. I think another one down the depth chart was out too. At times, the 2 backups were hurt and out for a game or two. The 4 rotating corners were all young or new to the program. There were some pass coverage issues with the backers at times. All of this contributed to some awful games for the pass defense. There's a new safety coach this year. Young and played at Oregon St. Last year's coach was old with lots of coaching experience, but probably not into coaching at UM. There is no doubt the pass defense will be better this year, probably much better. The question is how much.

and our defense got worn out as the game went on because our offense couldnt substain many drives..

I don't think that's right, 420. Montana was third in total offense last year and ranked 11th nationally. The Griz had 625 plays on offense second only to MSU in conference. The Griz were seventh for punts. The Griz offense was ranked third for first downs.
The offense was 10th in time of possession, but was only 3:40 off the conference leader MSU.

420 is completely correct. In many games in which UM lost, there was little or no offense as the game went on, especially in the second half. Go look at the drive charts for the NAU game. Almost no offense or sustained drives after early in the second quarter (when UM had a nice lead). I think there was a drive late in the 4th quarter, but it was much too late. I once posted an analysis of the NAU situation. I'll look for it.