Griz Secondary?

[Copper Griz]

its exactly true, not generally. j.j.'s passing numbers weren't much better than the trent/shay numbers combined and j.j. had sambrano (indy colts) and moutra. the biggest differences were in the coaching staff...hello????...and on defense, especially in the secondary...see bpsc's post. wake up and smell the

You're only looking at his overall stats and not how he improved at the end of the season. JJ was significantly better at the end of the 2011 season. His stats are watered down from the issues at the beginning of the season. He owned every team at the end of the season. He was lights out, and will be again this season. And he is good enough that he can make a difference in the outcome of a game, especially close ones.

you better take another look at his stats (game-by-game) at the end of the season. he had a great statistical game vs. a mediocre w.s.u. and a truly great game vs. northern iowa. the others not so much.
vs. western oregon 11-16-0 0 tds, 103 yards; 3-5 rushing
vs. m.s.u. 15-31-0 2 tds, 164 yards; 4-27
vs. cent. ark. 16-24-2 2 tds, 135 yards; 6-26
vs. s.h.s.u. 21-33-1 1 td, 277 yards; 11-64, td
total: 63-104-3 5 tds, 679 yards passer rating: 125.5....wow! 24-122, 1 td good. clearly this isn't "lights out" now is it. the defense and run game did more to win the m.s.u. (special teams were great in this game), cent. ark. and get us back in the s.h.s.u. than j.j.'s "lights out" play. get real.

I watched the games. I attended the games. Not one single Griz fan will agree with you that JJ was not terrific starting with the Weber game. The stats are inconsequential to what JJ was doing on the field and for the team.

You don't even go to the games, do you? That's explains part of your stupidity.

Is there any Griz fan who wants to step up now and say that JJ didn't have a great season starting with the Weber game?

He did not have a great season. There, I said it because "great" is an understatement. He had a fantastic season given the amount off snaps he had taken prior to the start the year. He matured, became the team leader and frankly those stats mean shit. JJ does not play for the A's - and stats in many cases are largely misleading. I just want him to get on the damn field so he can have the opportunity to shut the naysayers up. This kid went through hell and hopefully came out like hardened steel - now he has the chance to do what he was recruited to do and what he did in 2011. Win!! App State is going to be interesting. How many snaps before it all clicks for him? I am guessing he will have some nerves for the first series - but so does every QB at the start of the season. I will go out on a limb and say his "stats" will be impressive when the season ends after December.

 

[getgrizzy]

You're only looking at his overall stats and not how he improved at the end of the season. JJ was significantly better at the end of the 2011 season. His stats are watered down from the issues at the beginning of the season. He owned every team at the end of the season. He was lights out, and will be again this season. And he is good enough that he can make a difference in the outcome of a game, especially close ones.

you better take another look at his stats (game-by-game) at the end of the season. he had a great statistical game vs. a mediocre w.s.u. and a truly great game vs. northern iowa. the others not so much.
vs. western oregon 11-16-0 0 tds, 103 yards; 3-5 rushing
vs. m.s.u. 15-31-0 2 tds, 164 yards; 4-27
vs. cent. ark. 16-24-2 2 tds, 135 yards; 6-26
vs. s.h.s.u. 21-33-1 1 td, 277 yards; 11-64, td
total: <a href="tel:63-104-3 5">63-104-3 5</a> tds, 679 yards passer rating: 125.5....wow! 24-122, 1 td good. clearly this isn't "lights out" now is it. the defense and run game did more to win the m.s.u. (special teams were great in this game), cent. ark. and get us back in the s.h.s.u. than j.j.'s "lights out" play. get real.

Question: Who got us OUT of the game against SHSU?

Question #2: Did the Defense lead the Griz to 28 points after digging the deep hole?

Anybody that watched the tape from that SHSU game has to admit that it wasn't a great defensive effort on the part of the Griz. Some current Griz defenders probably want that game film burned because it was so bad. Other than the interception return for the TD, what was there? A lot of missed tackles and bad angles. The Griz D even had a chance to stop SHSU late in the game to get the ball back but couldn't rise up. That last run by SHSU to "seal it"on short yardage was brutal.

i agree it wasn't a great effort by the d, especially inthe first half. it sure wasn't a great effort by j.j. and the offense either.
first drive for us was a 3 and out and it gave s.h.s.u. good field position and a 7-0 lead.
second drive good drive, but missed fg and flanders breaks it on next play 14-0.
third drive j.j. fumbles it away; s.h.s.u. scores on ensuing drive 21-0
fourth drive j.j. can't gain one yard on 4th and 1 from the 5; d forces a punt after 36 yards
fifth drive j.j. hits sambrano; 21-7, but d gives it right back
sixth drive j.j. intercepted; s.h.s.u. starts drive for what looked like a 31-7, but mcsurdy intercepts a pass and returns it for a td with a minute to go. instead of 31-7 or worse its 28-14 and we're back inthe game.
all told in the first half the d scores as much as the o and the o leaves 7 points on the field with costly failure to convert 4th down. j.j.'s fumble leads directly to a s.h.s.u. score and his interception is bailed out by mcsurdy, who makes it a 10-point swing with his return for td. j.j. lead a couple nice drives, but his failures balance that out. the d didn't play well, but it was the d came through when needed most, not j.j.

 

[getgrizzy]

now lets look at the second half comeback.

first two drives the defense holds them to 3 and out, but gets no help from the offense, which goes three and out and you'll never guess who fumbles again. this time j.j. coughs it up on his own 8, but the defense bails him out and holds s.h.s.u. to a fg, which was their only points of the second half. what did we lose by? 3 points.
j.j. does well on the next drive going 5-7 to get the count down to 31-21.
the d holds them again and this time j.j. goes 3 for 3 and then breaks off a truly great run on a thrid and 6 play rambling 54 yards for the td. 31-28.
once again the d holds them to three plays, but you can't really blame j.j. too much on the next drive. he completes his first two passes, but can't do it on a tough 3rd and 11 and his pass isn't close to the intended receiver.
for some reason the defense can't continue its run of stops now at 7 straight and s.h.s.u. runs it all over them to end the game.
despite his heroics on the two scoring drives j.j.'s fumble on our own goal line negates it and the defense's persistance allows the offense to get on a roll.

anyway, this is the reality of the events that transpired vs. s.h.s.u. if you want to spin them into j.j. did it all and the defense let us down all game feel free. i simply see it different.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Can anyone confirm, isn't this thread suppose to be about the GRIZ secondary?

 

[Gaeilge1]

Wondered the same thing. The secondary is the topic. The assumption that the Offense being on the field more will help the secondary is speculative at best. While there may be some advantage in that the secondary may not wear down as much the bottom line is that the secondary will have to improve significantly so that the offense has the ball so that they can keep the secondary and defense fresh!

 

[mtgrizrule]

Wondered the same thing. The secondary is the topic. The assumption that the Offense being on the field more will help the secondary is speculative at best. While there may be some advantage in that the secondary may not wear down as much the bottom line is that the secondary will have to improve significantly so that the offense has the ball so that they can keep the secondary and defense fresh!

Thanks for the confirmation and brief insightful summary. :thumb:
Let's hope we can get this topic back on track.

 

[PlayerRep]

Wondered the same thing. The secondary is the topic. The assumption that the Offense being on the field more will help the secondary is speculative at best. While there may be some advantage in that the secondary may not wear down as much the bottom line is that the secondary will have to improve significantly so that the offense has the ball so that they can keep the secondary and defense fresh!

The defense wore down at times last year, not just the secondary.

Everyone agrees that secondary plays needs to improve.

 

[bigkid]

I honestly think people are going to be pleasantly surprised by the defense as a whole.

 

[getgrizzy]

I honestly think people are going to be pleasantly surprised by the defense as a whole.

i agree. the defense will be better as a whole, especially if they get more takeaways. the offense will be better too, especially if they keep the lost fumbles down. we used to thrive on being heavily on the plus side on turnovers. this is another reason we were off last year.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Yeah, the coaches are emphasizing more aggressive ball-hawking by the secondary, and it shows in camp.

 

[Baller1]

Prediction: True Freshman Ryan McKinley will be a starting Safety by mid-season.

 

[Hammer]

Prediction: True Freshman Ryan McKinley will be a starting Safety by mid-season.

wow. Bold prediction. Tullys spot?? Gamboa should arrive this year as well.

 

[grizcountry420]

Prediction: True Freshman Ryan McKinley will be a starting Safety by mid-season.

wow. Bold prediction. Tullys spot?? Gamboa should arrive this year as well.

There is lots of young talent nipping on their heels, thats for sure. Tough competition

 

[Baller1]

Prediction: True Freshman Ryan McKinley will be a starting Safety by mid-season.

wow. Bold prediction. Tullys spot?? Gamboa should arrive this year as well.

Yup. Had the chance to see McKinley play in person a couple times and he is the real deal. I really like Gamboa as well, but feel McKinley's natural cover-ability will be more of a need giving him a slight edge over Gamboa. The coaches have been quoted that a CB recruit will play Safety for us this year and I'm willing to bet it's McKinley.

Let the speculation begin! :thumb:

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Prediction: True Freshman Ryan McKinley will be a starting Safety by mid-season.

wow. Bold prediction. Tullys spot?? Gamboa should arrive this year as well.

Yup. Had the chance to see McKinley play in person a couple times and he is the real deal. I really like Gamboa as well, but feel McKinley's natural cover-ability will be more of a need giving him a slight edge over Gamboa. The coaches have been quoted that a CB recruit will play Safety for us this year and I'm willing to bet it's McKinley.

Let the speculation begin! :thumb:

Prediction: True Freshman Ryan McKinley will be a starting Safety by mid-season.

wow. Bold prediction. Tullys spot?? Gamboa should arrive this year as well.

Yup. Had the chance to see McKinley play in person a couple times and he is the real deal. I really like Gamboa as well, but feel McKinley's natural cover-ability will be more of a need giving him a slight edge over Gamboa. The coaches have been quoted that a CB recruit will play Safety for us this year and I'm willing to bet it's McKinley.

Let the speculation begin! :thumb:

I'd be shocked to see Delaney make a move on one of his "sacred cows".

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Yeah, the coaches are emphasizing more aggressive ball-hawking by the secondary, and it shows in camp.

Does that also mean that there's more 'press coverage' being emphasized :?:

 

[Hammer]

Yeah, the coaches are emphasizing more aggressive ball-hawking by the secondary, and it shows in camp.

Does that also mean that there's more 'press coverage' being emphasized :?:

When the situation warrants. You don't just blindly run press with your CB's there are many factors which come into play.

 

[PlayerRep]

Prediction: True Freshman Ryan McKinley will be a starting Safety by mid-season.

wow. Bold prediction. Tullys spot?? Gamboa should arrive this year as well.

McKinney played corner with the 3rds/4ths.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Wondered the same thing. The secondary is the topic. The assumption that the Offense being on the field more will help the secondary is speculative at best. While there may be some advantage in that the secondary may not wear down as much the bottom line is that the secondary will have to improve significantly so that the offense has the ball so that they can keep the secondary and defense fresh!

Thanks for the confirmation and brief insightful summary. :thumb:
Let's hope we can get this topic back on track.

Coach Delaney said he was happy with the secondary after the first scrimmage. He said the secondary had a guy in pretty good coverage on every single pass play during the scrimmage, as opposed to last season where the Griz secondary would have opposing recievers running alone free. CAN I GET AN AMEN? THAT ALONE DESERVES A HALLELUIAH! :thumb:

He wasn't happy with the defense not getting off the field on four 3rd and longs. I am not sure how many of those were attributed to the secondary however.

 

[Baller1]

Prediction: True Freshman Ryan McKinley will be a starting Safety by mid-season.

wow. Bold prediction. Tullys spot?? Gamboa should arrive this year as well.

McKinney played corner with the 3rds/4ths.

What were your overall impressions of his play? Could you see him as a possible safety convert? I am really excited about his potential at any position in our secondary, but personally would love to see him developed as a S. Sounds like Strahm made a big play at Safety, when many thought he would be moved to OLB.

Very excited about the potential of our young DBs