Some Ask a Taboo Question: Is America Overreacting to Coronavirus?

[argh!]

The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.

But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.

These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.

China didn’t try to flatten the curve. They aggressively went after it to drop the curve immediately. And we see the disaster happening it Italy and Spain, both of which have tried to flatten the curve. Spain is about to be overwhelmed

immediately? they knew of human-to-human transmission in December. Yeah, they dropped the curve, but if you believe their numbers, you don't have contacts in China, and don't follow the independent news that does get out of the country. so far, the unofficial, illegal, but importantly dispensed news largely been correct, based on the numbers provided by countries with freer media. that isn't saying all western media is right, or all chinese is wrong. but i trust the latter infinitely more.

 

[PlayerRep]

The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.

But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.

These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.

China didn’t try to flatten the curve. They aggressively went after it to drop the curve immediately. And we see the disaster happening it Italy and Spain, both of which have tried to flatten the curve. Spain is about to be overwhelmed

immediately? they knew of human-to-human transmission in December. Yeah, they dropped the curve, but if you believe their numbers, you don't have contacts in China, and don't follow the independent news that does get out of the country. so far, the unofficial, illegal, but importantly dispensed news largely been correct, based on the numbers provided by countries with freer media. that isn't saying all western media is right, or all chinese is wrong. but i trust the latter infinitely more.

What’s your view of what China has done to slow and then really slow the growth? I haven’t focused on that.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

This is one of the best articles on the issue I have read.

https://newcriterion.com/blogs/dispatch/compared-to-what

Very good article. Obviously, I agree with most of it.

So do I. Let me decide whether I want to risk being infected going to a state tournament. But why take this from the kids, especially high school seniors?

I'll stay out of nursing homes, hospitals, Golden Corral, bingo parlors and homes where anyone over 65 lives. And I'll wash my hands, not eat out of communal peanut cups, and if I feel sick I'll stay home, just as I have always done. Sheesh. Read the stories of people testing positive who have no symptoms. They only got tested because they were on a quarantined ship. If not they would never have been tested. This all makes me wonder whether we would be hearing of this at all if it wasn't killing a very narrow part of the human population.

 

[PlayerRep]

Bars closed and restaurant limited in Missoula starting morning.

There goes St Paddy’s Day.

What is Butte doing?

 

[grizindabox]

Bars closed and restaurant limited in Missoula starting morning.

There goes St Paddy’s Day.

What is Butte doing?

https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/butte-silver-health-dept-to-close-restaurants-casinos-gyms-bars?fbclid=IwAR1nDLQwWW_MDhbQBpggffEwx_FSzhA_cgstKdgpuf5KuZviDmBv0aJqYgc

 

[zengriz]

What is Butte doing?

...whatever they want...

... :beer: ...

 

[PlayerRep]

2 week shutdown is pretty useless. To achieve what they claim, the world needs to shutdown until the vaccine is available in 2021.

The shutdown isn’t necessarily aimed at preventing infections (although it is for vulnerable populations). It’s aim is to slow the rate of community infection so that hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. It’s about flattening and lengthening the curve, not eliminating it, so in that respect governments believe their actions are doing just that.

Agree completely, as I noted above. China's numbers prove this is an effective method.

Show us an article saying what China did specifically and how that shut down the virus in China?

What did building new hospitals in 10 days do? The US isn’t doing that.

 

[argh!]

The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.

But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.

These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.

China didn’t try to flatten the curve. They aggressively went after it to drop the curve immediately. And we see the disaster happening it Italy and Spain, both of which have tried to flatten the curve. Spain is about to be overwhelmed

immediately? they knew of human-to-human transmission in December. Yeah, they dropped the curve, but if you believe their numbers, you don't have contacts in China, and don't follow the independent news that does get out of the country. so far, the unofficial, illegal, but importantly dispensed news largely been correct, based on the numbers provided by countries with freer media. that isn't saying all western media is right, or all chinese is wrong. but i trust the latter infinitely more.

What’s your view of what China has done to slow and then really slow the growth? I haven’t focused on that.

tough question. they slowed growth significantly by locking down hubei, but they gave a long enough period of time before the lockdown to to knowingly allow 5 million to leave. wuhan, and china, continued to allow international travel even after they knew they had a new, human-to-human virus, on their hands. i follow the south china morning post, and although it is becoming more pro-china by the day, they've been covering this since late december, before china actually admitted anything.

conversely, the drastic lockdown, which affected many of my friends, seems to have worked pretty well, even though it wasn't exactly easy for people to sit at home that long. at the end of the day, though, if doctors hadn't been shut up and ostracized for raising the alarm, the world might have had a couple more weeks, and less of the virus would have made it out of wuhan.

 

[EverettGriz]

2 week shutdown is pretty useless. To achieve what they claim, the world needs to shutdown until the vaccine is available in 2021.

The shutdown isn’t necessarily aimed at preventing infections (although it is for vulnerable populations). It’s aim is to slow the rate of community infection so that hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. It’s about flattening and lengthening the curve, not eliminating it, so in that respect governments believe their actions are doing just that.

Agree completely, as I noted above. China's numbers prove this is an effective method.

Show us an article saying what China did specifically and how that shut down the virus in China?

What did building new hospitals in 10 days do? The US isn’t doing that.

www.google.com
www.bing.com

 

[mtgriz]

Effects of a word wide economic depression will be 100 times worse than the effects of the virus. That's what scares me.

Cue the temporary conversion from capitalism to socialism to defibrillate the economy.

 

[TCCGRIZ]

I get it's a balancing act but when government for any reason starts limiting freedom of association or movement, we should all be worried.

NY Times article:

"For Some Buyers With Virus Fears, the Priority Isn’t Toilet Paper. It’s Guns.

Gun shops and ammunition dealers say they’ve seen a surge in purchases, particularly from first-time buyers."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/coronavirus-gun-buyers.html

A garage full of liquor and ammo will take you a lot farther than a garage full of TP.

You know how many people gave me a bad time for buying 3 years of dehydrated food that last 30 + years .
My wife feels pretty safe now that I told her we own 100 thousand rounds of ammo.
Whole house generator and 1000 gal propane tank.
I don't even consider myself a prepper either , just somewhat prepared.
Kinda like keeping your gas tank above 3/4 at all times , or jumper cables , a blanket and a small stash of food in the veichle as well .
Plus keeping the pantry and freezer full.

 

[TCCGRIZ]

The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.

But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.

These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.

China didn’t try to flatten the curve. They aggressively went after it to drop the curve immediately. And we see the disaster happening it Italy and Spain, both of which have tried to flatten the curve. Spain is about to be overwhelmed

immediately? they knew of human-to-human transmission in December. Yeah, they dropped the curve, but if you believe their numbers, you don't have contacts in China, and don't follow the independent news that does get out of the country. so far, the unofficial, illegal, but importantly dispensed news largely been correct, based on the numbers provided by countries with freer media. that isn't saying all western media is right, or all chinese is wrong. but i trust the latter infinitely more.

My Pastor visits China 4-5 times a year . Whatever China is saying the numbers are times that by ten or more .
The doors in China don't swing out for egress , it's easier to wedge them shut and keep them locked in .

 

[grizghost]

The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.

But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.

These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.

China didn’t try to flatten the curve. They aggressively went after it to drop the curve immediately. And we see the disaster happening it Italy and Spain, both of which have tried to flatten the curve. Spain is about to be overwhelmed

immediately? they knew of human-to-human transmission in December. Yeah, they dropped the curve, but if you believe their numbers, you don't have contacts in China, and don't follow the independent news that does get out of the country. so far, the unofficial, illegal, but importantly dispensed news largely been correct, based on the numbers provided by countries with freer media. that isn't saying all western media is right, or all chinese is wrong. but i trust the latter infinitely more.

My Pastor visits China 4-5 times a year . Whatever China is saying the numbers are times that by ten or more .
The doors in China don't swing out for egress , it's easier to wedge them shut and keep them locked in .

….the question is how do we get China to pay for our lost!

 

[PlayerRep]

The shutdown isn’t necessarily aimed at preventing infections (although it is for vulnerable populations). It’s aim is to slow the rate of community infection so that hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. It’s about flattening and lengthening the curve, not eliminating it, so in that respect governments believe their actions are doing just that.

Agree completely, as I noted above. China's numbers prove this is an effective method.

Show us an article saying what China did specifically and how that shut down the virus in China?

What did building new hospitals in 10 days do? The US isn’t doing that.

www.google.com
www.bing.com

Cool links. Thx.

 

[argh!]

China didn’t try to flatten the curve. They aggressively went after it to drop the curve immediately. And we see the disaster happening it Italy and Spain, both of which have tried to flatten the curve. Spain is about to be overwhelmed

immediately? they knew of human-to-human transmission in December. Yeah, they dropped the curve, but if you believe their numbers, you don't have contacts in China, and don't follow the independent news that does get out of the country. so far, the unofficial, illegal, but importantly dispensed news largely been correct, based on the numbers provided by countries with freer media. that isn't saying all western media is right, or all chinese is wrong. but i trust the latter infinitely more.

My Pastor visits China 4-5 times a year . Whatever China is saying the numbers are times that by ten or more .
The doors in China don't swing out for egress , it's easier to wedge them shut and keep them locked in .

….the question is how do we get China to pay for our lost!

i think everyone affected should send a bill for their expenses to shithead xi jinping, aka 'winnie the flu', beijing, zhongnanhai, china.

 

[PlayerRep]

immediately? they knew of human-to-human transmission in December. Yeah, they dropped the curve, but if you believe their numbers, you don't have contacts in China, and don't follow the independent news that does get out of the country. so far, the unofficial, illegal, but importantly dispensed news largely been correct, based on the numbers provided by countries with freer media. that isn't saying all western media is right, or all chinese is wrong. but i trust the latter infinitely more.

My Pastor visits China 4-5 times a year . Whatever China is saying the numbers are times that by ten or more .
The doors in China don't swing out for egress , it's easier to wedge them shut and keep them locked in .

….the question is how do we get China to pay for our lost!

i think everyone affected should send a bill for their expenses to shithead xi jinping, aka 'winnie the flu', beijing, zhongnanhai, china.

Also for drop in savings and retirement accounts.

 

[Dillon]

4 words - better safe than sorry!

 

[zengriz]

...america is only good at war...
...regarding health care...
...not so much...

... ...

 

[BWahlberg]

The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.

But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.

These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.

Precisely, if the current measures help flatten this curve and don't overwhelm our medical system, especially if it can be accomplished in a somewhat quicker timeline, I'm all for it.

Personally I'm not too worried about this virus, what I am worried about though is my parents, and especially my dad who falls into quite a few of the risk categories where the rate of death is in the 15% range. That scares the hell out of me, especially that someone like myself or my kids, could pass it to him or others like him, without knowing at all.

 

[SaskGriz]

The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.

But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.

These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.

Precisely, if the current measures help flatten this curve and don't overwhelm our medical system, especially if it can be accomplished in a somewhat quicker timeline, I'm all for it.

Personally I'm not too worried about this virus, what I am worried about though is my parents, and especially my dad who falls into quite a few of the risk categories where the rate of death is in the 15% range. That scares the hell out of me, especially that someone like myself or my kids, could pass it to him or others like him, without knowing at all.

This, 100% except it's my Mom. Here's a hope that everybody in Griz Nation stays safe and healthy. And Cheers on a very subdued St Paddy's up here.