Offensive Coaching Changes

[alabamagrizzly]

Fact that Pease was maybe the most coveted OC in ‘12 with Saban of Alabama and Muschamp of Florida both fighting for him. What FBS bridges did he burn? The same coach, Guy Morriss, hired him at Kentucky and Baylor and then had high praise for him when he was hired at Florida. He got 2 years at Florida winning 11 games with a Fr QB his first year. The 2nd year he lost his QB for the year 3 weeks in, lost his starting RB, his top WR, three offensive tackles, and his 2nd string QB to injuries throughout the rest of the year, all while being forced by Muschamp to run a ground and pound offense that made games very close and left little margin for error. Muschamp was forced to make a scapegoat of someone and unfortunately Pease was the guy. For what it’s worth Muschamp was fired the next season for a 2nd consecutive non-winning season and being the head coach that ran Floridas storied program into the ground. Also, from what posters who attend practices now a days have said, Pease has calmed down a lot. A lot of posters remember him being a d I c k back in the day but no one seems to have witnessed it recently and posters who have talked to players say he’s not as bad as he used to be.

Interesting post. Thanks. Hope these changes are the recipe for success.

There you go with that hope again soldier, carful, it’ll grow on you. I’m waiting for 75’s “interesting” response.

 

[THE BETCH]

Thanks Alabama, my expectations have risen a notch or two.

 

[PTGrizzly]

If Pease was such a dynamic offensive mind, why has he been wasting away as an FCS position coach all these years?

It is a fact that Pease is known as a righteous prick that verbally berates his players with regularity.

It is also a fact that Pease was once a hot coaching commodity that managed to burn bridges at multiple high level FBS jobs.

Fact that Pease was maybe the most coveted OC in ‘12 with Saban of Alabama and Muschamp of Florida both fighting for him. What FBS bridges did he burn? The same coach, Guy Morriss, hired him at Kentucky and Baylor and then had high praise for him when he was hired at Florida. He got 2 years at Florida winning 11 games with a Fr QB his first year. The 2nd year he lost his QB for the year 3 weeks in, lost his starting RB, his top WR, three offensive tackles, and his 2nd string QB to injuries throughout the rest of the year, all while being forced by Muschamp to run a ground and pound offense that made games very close and left little margin for error. Muschamp was forced to make a scapegoat of someone and unfortunately Pease was the guy. For what it’s worth Muschamp was fired the next season for a 2nd consecutive non-winning season and being the head coach that ran Floridas storied program into the ground. Also, from what posters who attend practices now a days have said, Pease has calmed down a lot. A lot of posters remember him being a d I c k back in the day but no one seems to have witnessed it recently and posters who have talked to players say he’s not as bad as he used to be.

I posted it in another thread, but Pease has been statistically awful everywhere he’s been an FBS OC with the exception of one year at Boise. Most of the credit for that can go to Chris Peterson when looking with hindsight. I will say that the rankings didn’t go back to when he was the OC at Kentucky, but that was a long time ago and there’s more relevant data available, so I’m not too worried about missing that.

Pease also got fired as a position coach by Chris Peterson. Peterson is fairy well known for rarely firing coaches. So it seems obvious that there were some problems there. It’s very possible he’s changed, lightened up some…but his history as an OC is pretty mediocre, and that’s being kind.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Fact that Pease was maybe the most coveted OC in ‘12 with Saban of Alabama and Muschamp of Florida both fighting for him. What FBS bridges did he burn? The same coach, Guy Morriss, hired him at Kentucky and Baylor and then had high praise for him when he was hired at Florida. He got 2 years at Florida winning 11 games with a Fr QB his first year. The 2nd year he lost his QB for the year 3 weeks in, lost his starting RB, his top WR, three offensive tackles, and his 2nd string QB to injuries throughout the rest of the year, all while being forced by Muschamp to run a ground and pound offense that made games very close and left little margin for error. Muschamp was forced to make a scapegoat of someone and unfortunately Pease was the guy. For what it’s worth Muschamp was fired the next season for a 2nd consecutive non-winning season and being the head coach that ran Floridas storied program into the ground. Also, from what posters who attend practices now a days have said, Pease has calmed down a lot. A lot of posters remember him being a d I c k back in the day but no one seems to have witnessed it recently and posters who have talked to players say he’s not as bad as he used to be.

I posted it in another thread, but Pease has been statistically awful everywhere he’s been an FBS OC with the exception of one year at Boise. Most of the credit for that can go to Chris Peterson when looking with hindsight. I will say that the rankings didn’t go back to when he was the OC at Kentucky, but that was a long time ago and there’s more relevant data available, so I’m not too worried about missing that.

Pease also got fired as a position coach by Chris Peterson. Peterson is fairy well known for rarely firing coaches. So it seems obvious that there were some problems there. It’s very possible he’s changed, lightened up some…but his history as an OC is pretty mediocre, and that’s being kind.

So, good programs and coaches hire mediocre OC"s? Why would they do that?

So, if an offense is mediocre, it's the OC's fault; and, if the offense is good, it's because of the head coach?

 

[PTGrizzly]

I posted it in another thread, but Pease has been statistically awful everywhere he’s been an FBS OC with the exception of one year at Boise. Most of the credit for that can go to Chris Peterson when looking with hindsight. I will say that the rankings didn’t go back to when he was the OC at Kentucky, but that was a long time ago and there’s more relevant data available, so I’m not too worried about missing that.

Pease also got fired as a position coach by Chris Peterson. Peterson is fairy well known for rarely firing coaches. So it seems obvious that there were some problems there. It’s very possible he’s changed, lightened up some…but his history as an OC is pretty mediocre, and that’s being kind.

So, good programs and coaches hire mediocre OC"s? Why would they do that?

So, if an offense is mediocre, it's the OC's fault; and, if the offense is good, it's because of the head coach?

The reason I say the year at Boise is because of Chris Peterson is multifold. For starters, it’s literally the only head that an offense headed by Pease was ranked better than the top 100 (an incredibly low bar btw) in terms of yards per game. Second, Peterson is a known offensive guru. Boise was running Peterson’s offense, not Pease’s. I’m assuming Pease called the plays, but the offense was designed by Peterson which is why it was always successful no matter who the OC was when he was at Boise.


And yes, I’d lay a bet that every single good program and coach has hired a mediocre coordinator at some point in time. Bill Belichick is arguably the greatest coach of all time, and he hired Matt Patricia to be an OC. Nick Saban has made bad hires. It’s not uncommon.

All I’m saying is that if you look at the base offensive rankings for the FBS teams where Pease has been the OC, it’s been bad, with the exception of one year at Boise. Seems clear that’s the outlier. Maybe he’ll be fine here because Montana is a good program, but based on his history, he won’t be anything more than average.

Rankings in terms of yards per game and scoring per game, just for your information.

Bay 03: 113, 111
Bay 04: 104, 97
Bay 05: 102, 99
BSU 11: 9, 5
Flo 12: 105, 71
Flo 13: 113, 110
UTEP 16: 104, 87
UTEP 17: 130 (last place in all of FBS), 129 (12 ppg)

 

[ordigger]

All Big Sky. One was first team, the other 3rd team. Youre so wrapped up in your negativity that the truth when obvious escapes you. You''ve become nothing more than a troll. An imitation of Growler.

That's fine. But, you posted 2 returning All Americans. You were wrong. Don't post lies. You've become an imitation of playa.

I corrected my post. Not lies, there are TWO All Big Sky offensive lineman. That bugs the hell out of you because it doesnt fit your narrative,. You are no Griz fan, just a piss poor troll

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Fact that Pease was maybe the most coveted OC in ‘12 with Saban of Alabama and Muschamp of Florida both fighting for him. What FBS bridges did he burn? The same coach, Guy Morriss, hired him at Kentucky and Baylor and then had high praise for him when he was hired at Florida. He got 2 years at Florida winning 11 games with a Fr QB his first year. The 2nd year he lost his QB for the year 3 weeks in, lost his starting RB, his top WR, three offensive tackles, and his 2nd string QB to injuries throughout the rest of the year, all while being forced by Muschamp to run a ground and pound offense that made games very close and left little margin for error. Muschamp was forced to make a scapegoat of someone and unfortunately Pease was the guy. For what it’s worth Muschamp was fired the next season for a 2nd consecutive non-winning season and being the head coach that ran Floridas storied program into the ground. Also, from what posters who attend practices now a days have said, Pease has calmed down a lot. A lot of posters remember him being a d I c k back in the day but no one seems to have witnessed it recently and posters who have talked to players say he’s not as bad as he used to be.

I posted it in another thread, but Pease has been statistically awful everywhere he’s been an FBS OC with the exception of one year at Boise. Most of the credit for that can go to Chris Peterson when looking with hindsight. I will say that the rankings didn’t go back to when he was the OC at Kentucky, but that was a long time ago and there’s more relevant data available, so I’m not too worried about missing that.

Pease also got fired as a position coach by Chris Peterson. Peterson is fairy well known for rarely firing coaches. So it seems obvious that there were some problems there. It’s very possible he’s changed, lightened up some…but his history as an OC is pretty mediocre, and that’s being kind.

In ignoring Kentucky, you ignore the fact that Pease helped coach up an awful Kentucky team from 3-8 to 7-5 while coaching up Jerod Lorenzen as a 2nd team all SEC QB. Then at Baylor, who was absolute garbage before he got there(a 22% winning percentage since joining the B12 nearly 10 years earlier), they earned their best record in their B12 history. Unfortunately injuries to their QB’s marred their next season and his head coach was fired. As for UTEP, they’re a traditionally bad team and his very inexperienced head coach(his four years at UTEP as a head coach is his only head coaching job in his over 30 years and still counting of coaching experience) was one of many that couldn’t make the transition from pros to college. Yes I do agree that his numbers in those 2 categories haven’t been good but those have also been extremely poor programs where he did help improve them once he was given the OC job. Not everything is as black and white as just two statistical categories. Many times their are many tangibles involved.

 

[ordigger]

2 returning All American o-linemen?
:lol:

Bump. But, you didn't edit this one. :lol:

Hey troll. Are you that fuc**ng stupid. A little hard to correct your post.

 

[ordigger]

I posted it in another thread, but Pease has been statistically awful everywhere he’s been an FBS OC with the exception of one year at Boise. Most of the credit for that can go to Chris Peterson when looking with hindsight. I will say that the rankings didn’t go back to when he was the OC at Kentucky, but that was a long time ago and there’s more relevant data available, so I’m not too worried about missing that.

Pease also got fired as a position coach by Chris Peterson. Peterson is fairy well known for rarely firing coaches. So it seems obvious that there were some problems there. It’s very possible he’s changed, lightened up some…but his history as an OC is pretty mediocre, and that’s being kind.

In ignoring Kentucky, you ignore the fact that Pease helped coach up an awful Kentucky team from 3-8 to 7-5 while coaching up Jerod Lorenzen as a 2nd team all SEC QB. Then at Baylor, who was absolute garbage before he got there(a 22% winning percentage since joining the B12 nearly 10 years earlier), they earned their best record in their B12 history. Unfortunately injuries to their QB’s marred their next season and his head coach was fired. As for UTEP, they’re a traditionally bad team and his very inexperienced head coach(his four years at UTEP as a head coach is his only head coaching job in his over 30 years and still counting of coaching experience) was one of many that couldn’t make the transition from pros to college. Yes I do agree that his numbers in those 2 categories haven’t been good but those have also been extremely poor programs where he did help improve them once he was given the OC job. Not everything is as black and white as just two statistical categories. Many times their are many tangibles involved.

Thanks for the information. You seem to know quite a bit about him. The haters are going to continue to hate though. They have an agenda, and information like you provide doesnt fit their negativity.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

In ignoring Kentucky, you ignore the fact that Pease helped coach up an awful Kentucky team from 3-8 to 7-5 while coaching up Jerod Lorenzen as a 2nd team all SEC QB. Then at Baylor, who was absolute garbage before he got there(a 22% winning percentage since joining the B12 nearly 10 years earlier), they earned their best record in their B12 history. Unfortunately injuries to their QB’s marred their next season and his head coach was fired. As for UTEP, they’re a traditionally bad team and his very inexperienced head coach(his four years at UTEP as a head coach is his only head coaching job in his over 30 years and still counting of coaching experience) was one of many that couldn’t make the transition from pros to college. Yes I do agree that his numbers in those 2 categories haven’t been good but those have also been extremely poor programs where he did help improve them once he was given the OC job. Not everything is as black and white as just two statistical categories. Many times their are many tangibles involved.

Thanks for the information. You seem to know quite a bit about him. The haters are going to continue to hate though. They have an agenda, and information like you provide doesnt fit their negativity.

I’ve only been learning this stuff from reading articles on him since the OC announcement was made the other day. All this stuff is in articles about him still online. The only part I did know before hand was his history at Florida and how Bama and Florida wanted to hire him. That’s only cus I live in SEC country. I do wonder how much he might still regret choosing Florida over Bama.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Bump. But, you didn't edit this one. :lol:

Hey troll. Are you that fuc**ng stupid. A little hard to correct your post.

Nope. I am not stupid enough to post that the Griz return 2 All American linemen. But, you did. I called you on it, and you are butt hurt.

 

[SoldierGriz]

That's fine. But, you posted 2 returning All Americans. You were wrong. Don't post lies. You've become an imitation of playa.

I corrected my post. Not lies, there are TWO All Big Sky offensive lineman. That bugs the hell out of you because it doesnt fit your narrative,. You are no Griz fan, just a piss poor troll

If you would have posted the truth the first time, we couldn't be having this discussion. But, you didn't - you posted a lie. Why lie?

 

[ordigger]

I corrected my post. Not lies, there are TWO All Big Sky offensive lineman. That bugs the hell out of you because it doesnt fit your narrative,. You are no Griz fan, just a piss poor troll

If you would have posted the truth the first time, we couldn't be having this discussion. But, you didn't - you posted a lie. Why lie?

:troll:

 

[mthoopsfan]

I corrected my post. Not lies, there are TWO All Big Sky offensive lineman. That bugs the hell out of you because it doesnt fit your narrative,. You are no Griz fan, just a piss poor troll

If you would have posted the truth the first time, we couldn't be having this discussion. But, you didn't - you posted a lie. Why lie?

Why didn't you just say, I assume you meant 2 all-conference players, not 2 all-Americans? Your first instinct is to be a jerk, so that's why I assume you are a jerk. You do this frequently.

 

[ordigger]

Hey troll. Are you that fuc**ng stupid. A little hard to correct your post.

Nope. I am not stupid enough to post that the Griz return 2 All American linemen. But, you did. I called you on it, and you are butt hurt.

“Haters will broadcast your failure, but whisper your success.” – Drake

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Well, in my mind, we DO have two returning All-American Olinemen. That is a fact. It's in my mind. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm wrong, because that's what I believe. Nobody gets to tell me what to believe.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Well, in my mind, we DO have two returning All-American Olinemen. That is a fact. It's in my mind. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm wrong, because that's what I believe. Nobody gets to tell me what to believe.

Hey, the year hasn’t even started yet! How do we know we won’t have five All American lineman by the time it’s over with. I mean the gall of some people to assume such things won’t happen.

 

[uofmman1122]

So, good programs and coaches hire mediocre OC"s? Why would they do that?

So, if an offense is mediocre, it's the OC's fault; and, if the offense is good, it's because of the head coach?

The reason I say the year at Boise is because of Chris Peterson is multifold. For starters, it’s literally the only head that an offense headed by Pease was ranked better than the top 100 (an incredibly low bar btw) in terms of yards per game. Second, Peterson is a known offensive guru. Boise was running Peterson’s offense, not Pease’s. I’m assuming Pease called the plays, but the offense was designed by Peterson which is why it was always successful no matter who the OC was when he was at Boise.


And yes, I’d lay a bet that every single good program and coach has hired a mediocre coordinator at some point in time. Bill Belichick is arguably the greatest coach of all time, and he hired Matt Patricia to be an OC. Nick Saban has made bad hires. It’s not uncommon.

All I’m saying is that if you look at the base offensive rankings for the FBS teams where Pease has been the OC, it’s been bad, with the exception of one year at Boise. Seems clear that’s the outlier. Maybe he’ll be fine here because Montana is a good program, but based on his history, he won’t be anything more than average.

Rankings in terms of yards per game and scoring per game, just for your information.

Bay 03: 113, 111
Bay 04: 104, 97
Bay 05: 102, 99
BSU 11: 9, 5
Flo 12: 105, 71
Flo 13: 113, 110
UTEP 16: 104, 87
UTEP 17: 130 (last place in all of FBS), 129 (12 ppg)

Here are the numbers before his time at Baylor, if anyone is curious.

'96 Mont
#3 Scoring offense, #2 Total Offense

'97 Mont
#19 Scoring offense, #20 Total Offense

'98 Mont
#29 Scoring offense, #27 Total Offense

'99 NAU
#21 Scoring offense, #22 Total Offense

'00 NAU
#83 Scoring offense, #45 Total Offense

'01 UK
#80 Scoring offense, #56 Total Offense

'02 UK
#23 Scoring offense, #87 Total Offense

 

[alabamagrizzly]

The reason I say the year at Boise is because of Chris Peterson is multifold. For starters, it’s literally the only head that an offense headed by Pease was ranked better than the top 100 (an incredibly low bar btw) in terms of yards per game. Second, Peterson is a known offensive guru. Boise was running Peterson’s offense, not Pease’s. I’m assuming Pease called the plays, but the offense was designed by Peterson which is why it was always successful no matter who the OC was when he was at Boise.


And yes, I’d lay a bet that every single good program and coach has hired a mediocre coordinator at some point in time. Bill Belichick is arguably the greatest coach of all time, and he hired Matt Patricia to be an OC. Nick Saban has made bad hires. It’s not uncommon.

All I’m saying is that if you look at the base offensive rankings for the FBS teams where Pease has been the OC, it’s been bad, with the exception of one year at Boise. Seems clear that’s the outlier. Maybe he’ll be fine here because Montana is a good program, but based on his history, he won’t be anything more than average.

Rankings in terms of yards per game and scoring per game, just for your information.

Bay 03: 113, 111
Bay 04: 104, 97
Bay 05: 102, 99
BSU 11: 9, 5
Flo 12: 105, 71
Flo 13: 113, 110
UTEP 16: 104, 87
UTEP 17: 130 (last place in all of FBS), 129 (12 ppg)

Here are the numbers before his time at Baylor, if anyone is curious.

'96 Mont
#3 Scoring offense, #2 Total Offense

'97 Mont
#19 Scoring offense, #20 Total Offense

'98 Mont
#29 Scoring offense, #27 Total Offense

'99 NAU
#21 Scoring offense, #22 Total Offense

'00 NAU
#83 Scoring offense, #45 Total Offense

'01 UK
#80 Scoring offense, #56 Total Offense

'02 UK
#23 Scoring offense, #87 Total Offense

I believe PT’s exact words were those numbers were from a long time ago and not relevant. They also might not fit his narrative that BP has been garbage everywhere he’s been except for the one year at Boise.

 

[uofmman1122]

Here are the numbers before his time at Baylor, if anyone is curious.

'96 Mont
#3 Scoring offense, #2 Total Offense

'97 Mont
#19 Scoring offense, #20 Total Offense

'98 Mont
#29 Scoring offense, #27 Total Offense

'99 NAU
#21 Scoring offense, #22 Total Offense

'00 NAU
#83 Scoring offense, #45 Total Offense

'01 UK
#80 Scoring offense, #56 Total Offense

'02 UK
#23 Scoring offense, #87 Total Offense

I believe PT’s exact words were those numbers were from a long time ago and not relevant. They also might not fit his narrative that BP has been garbage everywhere he’s been except for the one year at Boise.

TBF, PT has a point about comparing numbers from 20 years ago, although the Shanahan run game system currently in vogue around the NFL is mostly the same as it's been for nearly 30 years, so some offensive philosophies are timeless.

I don't know how Pease will do, but I've talked to a couple ex-players who played under him since I first heard he might be the guy, and every one of them said they are stoked to see what he can do and think he's an incredibly creative play designer/play caller.