Offensive Coaching Changes

[alabamagrizzly]

Here are the numbers before his time at Baylor, if anyone is curious.

'96 Mont
#3 Scoring offense, #2 Total Offense

'97 Mont
#19 Scoring offense, #20 Total Offense

'98 Mont
#29 Scoring offense, #27 Total Offense

'99 NAU
#21 Scoring offense, #22 Total Offense

'00 NAU
#83 Scoring offense, #45 Total Offense

'01 UK
#80 Scoring offense, #56 Total Offense

'02 UK
#23 Scoring offense, #87 Total Offense

I believe PT’s exact words were those numbers were from a long time ago and not relevant. They also might not fit his narrative that BP has been garbage everywhere he’s been except for the one year at Boise.

He also credits Peterson with Boise’s offense being so good but in after Pease left in ‘12, Petersons offense finished 55th in ppg and 68th in tot ypg. In his final year at Boise in ‘13 he managed to climb back into 19th and 20th but still not anywhere near the 5th and 9th he had under Pease. Let’s not forget that Pease was Peterson’s assistant Head Coach from ‘07-‘10 also along with coaching the WR’s.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

I believe PT’s exact words were those numbers were from a long time ago and not relevant. They also might not fit his narrative that BP has been garbage everywhere he’s been except for the one year at Boise.

TBF, PT has a point about comparing numbers from 20 years ago, although the Shanahan run game system currently in vogue around the NFL is mostly the same as it's been for nearly 30 years, so some offensive philosophies are timeless.

I don't know how Pease will do, but I've talked to a couple ex-players who played under him since I first heard he might be the guy, and every one of them said they are stoked to see what he can do and think he's an incredibly creative play designer/play caller.

For what it’s worth, I’d take a former players opinion over any eGriz poster any day of the week.

 

[SoldierGriz]

If you would have posted the truth the first time, we couldn't be having this discussion. But, you didn't - you posted a lie. Why lie?

Why didn't you just say, I assume you meant 2 all-conference players, not 2 all-Americans? Your first instinct is to be a jerk, so that's why I assume you are a jerk. You do this frequently.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Nope. I am not stupid enough to post that the Griz return 2 All American linemen. But, you did. I called you on it, and you are butt hurt.

“Haters will broadcast your failure, but whisper your success.” – Drake

"The more you defend a lie, the angrier you become." - Mitch Albom

oke:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

“Haters will broadcast your failure, but whisper your success.” – Drake

"The more you defend a lie, the angrier you become." - Mitch Albom

oke:

"It's not a lie if you believe it." - George Costanza

 

[ordigger]

“Haters will broadcast your failure, but whisper your success.” – Drake

"The more you defend a lie, the angrier you become." - Mitch Albom

oke:

:bs:

It's easier not to say anything. Shut your trap, button your lip, can it. All that crap you hear ….. is a lie. Nobody really wants to hear what you have to say.

Laurie Halse Anderson,

 

[PTGrizzly]

I posted it in another thread, but Pease has been statistically awful everywhere he’s been an FBS OC with the exception of one year at Boise. Most of the credit for that can go to Chris Peterson when looking with hindsight. I will say that the rankings didn’t go back to when he was the OC at Kentucky, but that was a long time ago and there’s more relevant data available, so I’m not too worried about missing that.

Pease also got fired as a position coach by Chris Peterson. Peterson is fairy well known for rarely firing coaches. So it seems obvious that there were some problems there. It’s very possible he’s changed, lightened up some…but his history as an OC is pretty mediocre, and that’s being kind.

In ignoring Kentucky, you ignore the fact that Pease helped coach up an awful Kentucky team from 3-8 to 7-5 while coaching up Jerod Lorenzen as a 2nd team all SEC QB. Then at Baylor, who was absolute garbage before he got there(a 22% winning percentage since joining the B12 nearly 10 years earlier), they earned their best record in their B12 history. Unfortunately injuries to their QB’s marred their next season and his head coach was fired. As for UTEP, they’re a traditionally bad team and his very inexperienced head coach(his four years at UTEP as a head coach is his only head coaching job in his over 30 years and still counting of coaching experience) was one of many that couldn’t make the transition from pros to college. Yes I do agree that his numbers in those 2 categories haven’t been good but those have also been extremely poor programs where he did help improve them once he was given the OC job. Not everything is as black and white as just two statistical categories. Many times their are many tangibles involved.

A few things in response.

I ignored wins/losses because I don’t find it relevant to the conversation. You can have a good offense and lose a bunch of games because the defense sucks. And vice versa. I was hoping to find trendlines of statistical improvement/regression. That’s why I didn’t discuss whether they were good programs, bad programs, wins, or losses.

I agree that there’s a lot of factors that go into the why, but I do believe that yards and points gives you enough of an overview of whether the stats are good or bad given enough time. If it was one or two tenures for one or two years, that really doesn’t give you enough, imo.

I’m calling the year at Boise an anomaly, an outlier. If he’s good enough to have a top 5 offense at one school, he’s good enough to break the top 100 elsewhere. That’s not asking a lot, imo.

What I mainly saw when looking at the trend lines, was static movement. Didn’t get better or worse during his time as an OC. They just stayed the same. Not ideal, imo.

Regarding Baylor, the OC after Pease did roughly the same in terms of yards per game as Pease his first year compared to Pease’s last year, and then production went up ~40 yards per game. That’s solid improvement. Then the HC got fired, Art Briles came in, and they became a top offensive team. A good coach can succeed at mediocre programs.

Overall, I think Pease underachieves with the talent given. He doesn’t make teams better, imo, at least he hasn’t historically. Luckily UM gets a lot of talent, so the offense should still do fine, but I believe there are a lot better options out there.

 

[SoldierGriz]

"The more you defend a lie, the angrier you become." - Mitch Albom

oke:

:bs:

It's easier not to say anything. Shut your trap, button your lip, can it. All that crap you hear ….. is a lie. Nobody really wants to hear what you have to say.

Laurie Halse Anderson,

Three things cannot be hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. - Buddha

 

[gotgame75]

If Pease was such a dynamic offensive mind, why has he been wasting away as an FCS position coach all these years?

It is a fact that Pease is known as a righteous prick that verbally berates his players with regularity.

It is also a fact that Pease was once a hot coaching commodity that managed to burn bridges at multiple high level FBS jobs.

He’s already coached big time and achieved, and now wants to live in Missoula and coach at his alma mater with his friends.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I get tremendous joy out of your ludicrous explanations

 

[gotgame75]

If Pease was such a dynamic offensive mind, why has he been wasting away as an FCS position coach all these years?

It is a fact that Pease is known as a righteous prick that verbally berates his players with regularity.

It is also a fact that Pease was once a hot coaching commodity that managed to burn bridges at multiple high level FBS jobs.

Fact that Pease was maybe the most coveted OC in ‘12 with Saban of Alabama and Muschamp of Florida both fighting for him. What FBS bridges did he burn? The same coach, Guy Morriss, hired him at Kentucky and Baylor and then had high praise for him when he was hired at Florida. He got 2 years at Florida winning 11 games with a Fr QB his first year. The 2nd year he lost his QB for the year 3 weeks in, lost his starting RB, his top WR, three offensive tackles, and his 2nd string QB to injuries throughout the rest of the year, all while being forced by Muschamp to run a ground and pound offense that made games very close and left little margin for error. Muschamp was forced to make a scapegoat of someone and unfortunately Pease was the guy. For what it’s worth Muschamp was fired the next season for a 2nd consecutive non-winning season and being the head coach that ran Floridas storied program into the ground. Also, from what posters who attend practices now a days have said, Pease has calmed down a lot. A lot of posters remember him being a d I c k back in the day but no one seems to have witnessed it recently and posters who have talked to players say he’s not as bad as he used to be.

Well I personally know someone that's played for him in the last 3 years that would totally disagree with your assessment that he's not as bad as he used to be. Said player was shocked at how over the top Pease is with the verbal abuse and generally made life miserable for his position group. This quality has been witnessed by fans and players alike going back MANY years.

And yes, he has burned bridges at multiple stops with his abrasive personality.

And this goes back to my original question, if Pease is such an in-demand offensive mind, then why has he been languishing as an FCS position coach for 5 years?

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I wish we would get some young coaches in here that u first and how the modern game works. 90s offenses are 3 decades old.

Mouse Davis was 52 years old when he perfected the run and shoot offense. Although not the inventor of the offense, he is considered the godfather of it. June Jones was 45 when he tweaked it at Hawaii - or if you prefer he modernized it.

Then that was the modern game, and age of coaches has absolutely nothing to do with how modern the game is. So many other factors do.

By the way, the run and shoot was invented in 1958, but not considered en vogue until starting 30 years later. I guess 3 decade old offenses were good enough then.

It’s has just as much to do with knowing how to coach todays youth and the things they find important.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Fact that Pease was maybe the most coveted OC in ‘12 with Saban of Alabama and Muschamp of Florida both fighting for him. What FBS bridges did he burn? The same coach, Guy Morriss, hired him at Kentucky and Baylor and then had high praise for him when he was hired at Florida. He got 2 years at Florida winning 11 games with a Fr QB his first year. The 2nd year he lost his QB for the year 3 weeks in, lost his starting RB, his top WR, three offensive tackles, and his 2nd string QB to injuries throughout the rest of the year, all while being forced by Muschamp to run a ground and pound offense that made games very close and left little margin for error. Muschamp was forced to make a scapegoat of someone and unfortunately Pease was the guy. For what it’s worth Muschamp was fired the next season for a 2nd consecutive non-winning season and being the head coach that ran Floridas storied program into the ground. Also, from what posters who attend practices now a days have said, Pease has calmed down a lot. A lot of posters remember him being a d I c k back in the day but no one seems to have witnessed it recently and posters who have talked to players say he’s not as bad as he used to be.

Well I personally know someone that's played for him in the last 3 years that would totally disagree with your assessment that he's not as bad as he used to be. Said player was shocked at how over the top Pease is with the verbal abuse and generally made life miserable for his position group. This quality has been witnessed by fans and players alike going back MANY years.

And yes, he has burned bridges at multiple stops with his abrasive personality.

And this goes back to my original question, if Pease is such an in-demand offensive mind, then why has he been languishing as an FCS position coach for 5 years?

Again, because he wants to coach the Griz in Missoula with his friends. He's already been on the big stage and made lots of money. You wouldn't understand this, but some people achieve a lot in life relatively quickly and then chose to kick back a bit and work at a less stressful job that they enjoy, in a place they also enjoy.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

In ignoring Kentucky, you ignore the fact that Pease helped coach up an awful Kentucky team from 3-8 to 7-5 while coaching up Jerod Lorenzen as a 2nd team all SEC QB. Then at Baylor, who was absolute garbage before he got there(a 22% winning percentage since joining the B12 nearly 10 years earlier), they earned their best record in their B12 history. Unfortunately injuries to their QB’s marred their next season and his head coach was fired. As for UTEP, they’re a traditionally bad team and his very inexperienced head coach(his four years at UTEP as a head coach is his only head coaching job in his over 30 years and still counting of coaching experience) was one of many that couldn’t make the transition from pros to college. Yes I do agree that his numbers in those 2 categories haven’t been good but those have also been extremely poor programs where he did help improve them once he was given the OC job. Not everything is as black and white as just two statistical categories. Many times their are many tangibles involved.

A few things in response.

I ignored wins/losses because I don’t find it relevant to the conversation. You can have a good offense and lose a bunch of games because the defense sucks. And vice versa. I was hoping to find trendlines of statistical improvement/regression. That’s why I didn’t discuss whether they were good programs, bad programs, wins, or losses.

I agree that there’s a lot of factors that go into the why, but I do believe that yards and points gives you enough of an overview of whether the stats are good or bad given enough time. If it was one or two tenures for one or two years, that really doesn’t give you enough, imo.

I’m calling the year at Boise an anomaly, an outlier. If he’s good enough to have a top 5 offense at one school, he’s good enough to break the top 100 elsewhere. That’s not asking a lot, imo.

What I mainly saw when looking at the trend lines, was static movement. Didn’t get better or worse during his time as an OC. They just stayed the same. Not ideal, imo.

Regarding Baylor, the OC after Pease did roughly the same in terms of yards per game as Pease his first year compared to Pease’s last year, and then production went up ~40 yards per game. That’s solid improvement. Then the HC got fired, Art Briles came in, and they became a top offensive team. A good coach can succeed at mediocre programs.

Overall, I think Pease underachieves with the talent given. He doesn’t make teams better, imo, at least he hasn’t historically. Luckily UM gets a lot of talent, so the offense should still do fine, but I believe there are a lot better options out there.

So in summary he’ll do ok here at Montana but somebody else we coulda hired would do better but we’ll never know cus we’re stuck with Pease. Back to Boise though, you say he doesn’t make teams better but they certainly got worse after he left. A lot worse.

 

[PTGrizzly]

A few things in response.

I ignored wins/losses because I don’t find it relevant to the conversation. You can have a good offense and lose a bunch of games because the defense sucks. And vice versa. I was hoping to find trendlines of statistical improvement/regression. That’s why I didn’t discuss whether they were good programs, bad programs, wins, or losses.

I agree that there’s a lot of factors that go into the why, but I do believe that yards and points gives you enough of an overview of whether the stats are good or bad given enough time. If it was one or two tenures for one or two years, that really doesn’t give you enough, imo.

I’m calling the year at Boise an anomaly, an outlier. If he’s good enough to have a top 5 offense at one school, he’s good enough to break the top 100 elsewhere. That’s not asking a lot, imo.

What I mainly saw when looking at the trend lines, was static movement. Didn’t get better or worse during his time as an OC. They just stayed the same. Not ideal, imo.

Regarding Baylor, the OC after Pease did roughly the same in terms of yards per game as Pease his first year compared to Pease’s last year, and then production went up ~40 yards per game. That’s solid improvement. Then the HC got fired, Art Briles came in, and they became a top offensive team. A good coach can succeed at mediocre programs.

Overall, I think Pease underachieves with the talent given. He doesn’t make teams better, imo, at least he hasn’t historically. Luckily UM gets a lot of talent, so the offense should still do fine, but I believe there are a lot better options out there.

So in summary he’ll do ok here at Montana but somebody else we coulda hired would do better but we’ll never know cus we’re stuck with Pease. Back to Boise though, you say he doesn’t make teams better but they certainly got worse after he left. A lot worse.

I mean…yeah, they got worse. Pease’s first, and only, year as OC at Boise happened to coincide with the senior year of the greatest QB Boise has had, and the senior year of the greatest RB they’ve had. Despite that, they still averaged 40 yards per game less than the year prior. But hey, if you want to believe that one year at Boise means more than everything else in his career, you’re more than welcome to that opinion.

 

[gotgame75]

Well I personally know someone that's played for him in the last 3 years that would totally disagree with your assessment that he's not as bad as he used to be. Said player was shocked at how over the top Pease is with the verbal abuse and generally made life miserable for his position group. This quality has been witnessed by fans and players alike going back MANY years.

And yes, he has burned bridges at multiple stops with his abrasive personality.

And this goes back to my original question, if Pease is such an in-demand offensive mind, then why has he been languishing as an FCS position coach for 5 years?

Again, because he wants to coach the Griz in Missoula with his friends. He's already been on the big stage and made lots of money. You wouldn't understand this, but some people achieve a lot in life relatively quickly and then chose to kick back a bit and work at a less stressful job that they enjoy, in a place they also enjoy.

Lol do better Jack. Do you honestly believe the things you say?

While I genuinely enjoy the absurdity of your explanation, it makes absolutely zero sense. Pease hasn't had nearly the sustained success or longevity as an OC that would allow him to take a massive regression in both title and pay for 5 years just because he gets a kick of out coaching with his buddies. It's not even remotely believable.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Please tell me you don’t think Pease willingly chose to get paid 1/10th of what somebody would make at a legit P5 school because he wants to be coaching with his friends. That’s laughable. He’s here because he got fired for being awful at UTEP.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Again, because he wants to coach the Griz in Missoula with his friends. He's already been on the big stage and made lots of money. You wouldn't understand this, but some people achieve a lot in life relatively quickly and then chose to kick back a bit and work at a less stressful job that they enjoy, in a place they also enjoy.

Lol do better Jack. Do you honestly believe the things you say?

While I genuinely enjoy the absurdity of your explanation, it makes absolutely zero sense. Pease hasn't had nearly the sustained success or longevity as an OC that would allow him to take a massive regression in both title and pay for 5 years just because he gets a kick of out coaching with his buddies. It's not even remotely believable.

Andreas, yes, I believe everything I say, and it's all correct. Why don't you ask him? Or, because your daddy is no longer around is feed and give everything to you, do you not know him?

This was 10 years ago. Pease is 58.

"Pease is set to make at least $1.8 million over his three-year contract with the program, according to the contract released by the University Athletic Association on Tuesday.

Pease was hired from Boise State in January and his deal with Florida is through the 2014 season. He will make a base salary of $490,000. He received a $100,000 signing bonus, and will be paid an additional $100,000 at the end of the 2013 and 2014 seasons if he remains with the program."

"As of January 9, 2023, Brent Pease’s net worth is $5 Million."

 

[gotgame75]

Lol do better Jack. Do you honestly believe the things you say?

While I genuinely enjoy the absurdity of your explanation, it makes absolutely zero sense. Pease hasn't had nearly the sustained success or longevity as an OC that would allow him to take a massive regression in both title and pay for 5 years just because he gets a kick of out coaching with his buddies. It's not even remotely believable.

Andreas, yes, I believe everything I say, and it's all correct. Why don't you ask him? Or, because your daddy is no longer around is feed and give everything to you, do you not know him?

This was 10 years ago. Pease is 58.

"Pease is set to make at least $1.8 million over his three-year contract with the program, according to the contract released by the University Athletic Association on Tuesday.

Pease was hired from Boise State in January and his deal with Florida is through the 2014 season. He will make a base salary of $490,000. He received a $100,000 signing bonus, and will be paid an additional $100,000 at the end of the 2013 and 2014 seasons if he remains with the program."

"As of January 9, 2023, Brent Pease’s net worth is $5 Million."

Dude...Im dead. The septuagenarian actually believes the internet knows Brent Pease's net worth :lol: Good god get a clue old man. Is this your first day on the internet? Stick to things you understand, like solitaire, remotes with giant buttons, and soiled Depends.

The fact that you think you think anyone actually believes Pease is willingly taking a massive demotion and pay cut simply out of the kindness of his heart just because he loves Bobby is straight up idiotic. It's totally beyond the realm of believability.

 

[gotgame75]

Please tell me you don’t think Pease willingly chose to get paid 1/10th of what somebody would make at a legit P5 school because he wants to be coaching with his friends. That’s laughable. He’s here because he got fired for being awful at UTEP.

It's hard to believe he's actually this senile. He's either playing devil's advocate (most likely), has lost all critical thinking skills, or is just straight up dumb. It's a totally idiotic explanation that no one would believe.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Andreas, yes, I believe everything I say, and it's all correct. Why don't you ask him? Or, because your daddy is no longer around is feed and give everything to you, do you not know him?

This was 10 years ago. Pease is 58.

"Pease is set to make at least $1.8 million over his three-year contract with the program, according to the contract released by the University Athletic Association on Tuesday.

Pease was hired from Boise State in January and his deal with Florida is through the 2014 season. He will make a base salary of $490,000. He received a $100,000 signing bonus, and will be paid an additional $100,000 at the end of the 2013 and 2014 seasons if he remains with the program."

"As of January 9, 2023, Brent Pease’s net worth is $5 Million."

Dude...Im dead. The septuagenarian actually believes the internet knows Brent Pease's net worth :lol: Good god get a clue old man. Is this your first day on the internet? Stick to things you understand, like solitaire, remotes with giant buttons, and soiled Depends.

The fact that you think you think anyone actually believes Pease is willingly taking a massive demotion and pay cut simply out of the kindness of his heart just because he loves Bobby is straight up idiotic. It's totally beyond the realm of believability.

Ask him.