Of course not. Unless your circumstances are the same as with Engstrom. Are they? If he resigns, I will change my opinion. As of now, my opinion of him has not changed.AZGrizFan said:
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O'Day and Pflu FIRED!!!
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The land of free speech is on inspired display today. When was our Bill of Rights amended to say "free speech for the ignorant. Why is a football player different than a regular student. I keep hearing of all of these crimes that have occurred but how many were prosecuted other than in the media. Many say they are held to a higher standing because they are in the spotlight. This spotlight was not created by these athletes but by the media and many of the people that write in these blogs. Let's not forget that the accused is just that accused until proven guilty. This is a sad day when rags like the Missoulian dictate public opinion and persecute teen age men for a few more papers sold. Plu was fired for standing up for one of his players just like a parent would for one of his kids. I miss the days when you could go have a beer and not worry about your name showing up in the local rag or blog discussing your drinking problem. If a student is convicted, kick them out of school. If an athlete is convicted kick them off the team. But let them be convicted by the law not by the media. Plu is a good coach that stood up for one of his non-convicted kids. It is a sad day for Griz nation.
Fortpeckgriz
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ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
100%, and I like Foley. I would have preferred if nobody was fired and the university stuck together against the actions of idiots. That is not the case though. If you are going to clean house you have to do everyone. From Royce on down. Only way to start over.
HighLineGRIZ
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Think people need to calm down and let all the facts come out before they call for more firings. I've known Jim O'Day since I was a little kid. He's a great guy and a very caring person. Pflugrad also seemed to be a guy who really cared about his players. Good people get fired everyday and a lot of times its from things that they can't control but that they are ultimatly responsible for. When you are in a leadership position that is just part of the job. I haven't seen anything that Engstrom has done wrong yet and I'm curiously awaiting on more information of why termination was deemed the appropriate decision for Jim and Robin. Bottom line though is that Jim is the point of leadership of the AD and Robin is the point of leadership of the football program and there are issues that are damaging enough to warrant drastic measures. Anyways, despite all of this I hope that all decisions that are being made are being done in the best interest of the University and the football program. I believe that they probably are.
AZGrizFan said:
I agree totally. It is simply amazing to me that supposed Griz fans are talking about bailing on the team because these two people were fired! What a bunch of whiny losers!
The axe fell, my friends, and it was over-due! This criminal culture has been created by Bobby Hauck in his efforts to win-at-all-costs, so that he could realize his dream to coach the big boys. It has continued under O'Day and Phlu, and perhaps has even escalated. O'Day should have fired Hauck after several of the criminal acts were committed, then swept under the rug by Hauck. We all remember the little Kaimen travesty! But, O'Day didn't have the gonads to fire a winning coach. So, the culture of corruption continued to simmer.
I knew that it was a house-of-cards that would eventually collapse.
I applaud the Griz fans who understand that the program will continue to excel, and who support Engstrom and his correct decision to excise the cancer before it grows any further. I will continue to be an avid Griz supporter, and I hope the mob hysteria being exhibited on this board by "fans" who would rather turn their heads to the continued problems surrounding this program because of winning-at-all-costs, will do some serious sole-searching and realize that this was the best thing that could have happened to this program!
Here is my problem with what your saying, most of which I agree with by the way. All of those incidents on your list with the exception of the last one happened before the Marz investigation was completed, before signing day, before new assistants were hired, and before spring ball started. If this would have happened right after an incident or right after the investigation was completed it could be justified using most of your examples and the damage would not be near as bad as it is going to be now. The firing today has to be because of something that happened very recently, and going by what WE actually know about the JJ situation, I don't see why a coach sticking up for a player who is only ACCUSED of a crime is a fireable offense after all of the other incidents weren't. Something doesn't smell right to me. I'm not crying about it, and don't necessaily disagree with the firing, but the timing of it is strange to me.Gametime said:
HighLineGRIZ
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AZGrizFan said:
That's not what really what I was stabbing at. I think people need to calm down on their opinions on Engstrom until all the facts come out. Regardless though, I have full confidence that the decisions made are being made in the best interest of the University and not out of some conspiracy passing the blame onto somebody else. People need to calm down and realize that if we continued down the same path we were going down that we might get to a place where the damage would take years to recover from.
