O'Day and Pflu FIRED!!!

[sweetleaf]

interesting

 

[Growler1]

Think people need to calm down and let all the facts come out before they call for more firings. I've known Jim O'Day since I was a little kid. He's a great guy and a very caring person. Pflugrad also seemed to be a guy who really cared about his players. Good people get fired everyday and a lot of times its from things that they can't control but that they are ultimatly responsible for. When you are in a leadership position that is just part of the job. I haven't seen anything that Engstrom has done wrong yet and I'm curiously awaiting on more information of why termination was deemed the appropriate decision for Jim and Robin. Bottom line though is that Jim is the point of leadership of the AD and Robin is the point of leadership of the football program and there are issues that are damaging enough to warrant drastic measures. Anyways, despite all of this I hope that all decisions that are being made are being done in the best interest of the University and the football program. I believe that they probably are.

I don't think anyone is doubting they're "good guys", but I think you answered your own question.

That's not what really what I was stabbing at. I think people need to calm down on their opinions on Engstrom until all the facts come out. Regardless though, I have full confidence that the decisions made are being made in the best interest of the University and not out of some conspiracy passing the blame onto somebody else. People need to calm down and realize that if we continued down the same path we were going down that we might get to a place where the damage would take years to recover from.

Right on.......we've all hard our fill of the "Travon lynch-mob" mentality!

 

[GrizPony]

Suggesting that President Engstrom is somehow culpable or responsible for the actions taken by these student-athletes is as ridiculous and irresponsible as saying he's responsible when Katie Jones fails a chem exam. President Engstrom took decisive action -- I'll leave it to others to argue about the merits of such action -- by terminating those who ARE responsible -- at least theoretically -- for oversight of student-athlete activity.

He's in trouble over his handling of the Saudi guy and this is a classic misdirection play. He may be gone soon.

 

[GrizPony]

Wow...UM made the top news of the hour in Los Angeles! I assume the President of the U will resign in favor of one of those passed over for his job...oh, I forgot, there were no others...This is bad news for Griz sports fans no matter how it is spun.

I can't believe how tiny and meaningless your little town is. They can only find news by going reporting on Missoula, MT? How provincial. haha

 

[Growler1]

Wow...UM made the top news of the hour in Los Angeles! I assume the President of the U will resign in favor of one of those passed over for his job...oh, I forgot, there were no others...This is bad news for Griz sports fans no matter how it is spun.

I can't believe how tiny and meaningless your little town is. They can only find news by going reporting on Missoula, MT? How provincial. haha

Griz fans are in constant denial that the indiscretions around our football program have not soiled the reputation of our university. We have been in the national press many times, as I have stated previously.

 

[ben dover]

i don't know if they will ever give the real reason these guys were fired. when fields fired kramer the mistake he made was giving a reason the next day at a press conf. then kramer was able to sue msu. their contracts say something like we can not renew your contract for no reason at all. in pflu's interview he said they wanted a change in leadership. i think r.e. knew what he was doing when he fired them.

 

[GrizLA]

Wow...UM made the top news of the hour in Los Angeles! I assume the President of the U will resign in favor of one of those passed over for his job...oh, I forgot, there were no others...This is bad news for Griz sports fans no matter how it is spun.

I can't believe how tiny and meaningless your little town is. They can only find news by going reporting on Missoula, MT? How provincial. haha

National Sports news...also on Sports Network, and ESPN...sorry, the sad fact is, that events of this magnitude, coming from a very small and small minded community, reflect more on that community than you know. The fact that UM, a powerhouse on the small college scene, academically respected worldwide because of the successes of its alumni and its programs, might not be your particular interest, but speaks volumes about the state of college athletics, especially in a must win, yes, small town, atmosphere. World Cities, like LA, are made up of former residents of places like Montana. Just because you hate LA or Calif or anywhere else, is not going to change that..in fact, it says more about you.

 

[argh!]

Think people need to calm down and let all the facts come out before they call for more firings. I've known Jim O'Day since I was a little kid. He's a great guy and a very caring person. Pflugrad also seemed to be a guy who really cared about his players. Good people get fired everyday and a lot of times its from things that they can't control but that they are ultimatly responsible for. When you are in a leadership position that is just part of the job. I haven't seen anything that Engstrom has done wrong yet and I'm curiously awaiting on more information of why termination was deemed the appropriate decision for Jim and Robin. Bottom line though is that Jim is the point of leadership of the AD and Robin is the point of leadership of the football program and there are issues that are damaging enough to warrant drastic measures. Anyways, despite all of this I hope that all decisions that are being made are being done in the best interest of the University and the football program. I believe that they probably are.

I don't think anyone is doubting they're "good guys", but I think you answered your own question.

That's not what really what I was stabbing at. I think people need to calm down on their opinions on Engstrom until all the facts come out. Regardless though, I have full confidence that the decisions made are being made in the best interest of the University and not out of some conspiracy passing the blame onto somebody else. People need to calm down and realize that if we continued down the same path we were going down that we might get to a place where the damage would take years to recover from.

Right on.......we've all hard our fill of the "Travon lynch-mob" mentality!

no we hardn't.

 

[EverettGriz]

I assume the President of the U will resign in favor of one of those passed over for his job...oh, I forgot, there were no others

Huh. I wonder who the hell those people were that the Search Committee vetted and intereviewed then. :roll:

Stick to what you know. What is that again??

 

[GrizLA]

I assume the President of the U will resign in favor of one of those passed over for his job...oh, I forgot, there were no others

Huh. I wonder who the hell those people were that the Search Committee vetted and intereviewed then. :roll:

Stick to what you know. What is that again??

Oh, the two or three tokens?

 

[Growler1]

I assume the President of the U will resign in favor of one of those passed over for his job...oh, I forgot, there were no others

Huh. I wonder who the hell those people were that the Search Committee vetted and intereviewed then. :roll:

Stick to what you know. What is that again??

Stupid is as stupid writes, Everett Now we see the true colors come out of all of the "fans" who would rather keep sweeping all of this criminal sh*t under the rug to keep winning at all costs. I hear Miami and Ohio State needs some new fans.

 

[Fortpeckgriz]

I don't get this quote by Growler1 "The axe fell, my friends, and it was over-due! This criminal culture has been created by Bobby Hauck in his efforts to win-at-all-costs, so that he could realize his dream to coach the big boys. It has continued under O'Day and Phlu, and perhaps has even escalated. O'Day should have fired Hauck after several of the criminal acts were committed, then swept under the rug by Hauck."

I can say in my five years playing under Hauck there was not a "criminal culture," far from it actually. He was a hard lined coach who liked to handle things in house. People may not like that approach, but that's the way it was. Players did get in trouble and in some cases arrested, but to think that Hauck fostered this kind of behavior is a misrepresentation of his tenure. I can tell you from experience that if you got in any kind of trouble Hauck would deal with it swiftly, but preferably in house. A lot can be said about Bobby, but soft on troublemakers is something I would never say.

 

[GrizPony]

Wow...UM made the top news of the hour in Los Angeles! I assume the President of the U will resign in favor of one of those passed over for his job...oh, I forgot, there were no others...This is bad news for Griz sports fans no matter how it is spun.

I can't believe how tiny and meaningless your little town is. They can only find news by going reporting on Missoula, MT? How provincial. haha

National Sports news...also on Sports Network, and ESPN...sorry, the sad fact is, that events of this magnitude, coming from a very small and small minded community, reflect more on that community than you know. The fact that UM, a powerhouse on the small college scene, academically respected worldwide because of the successes of its alumni and its programs, might not be your particular interest, but speaks volumes about the state of college athletics, especially in a must win, yes, small town, atmosphere. World Cities, like LA, are made up of former residents of places like Montana. Just because you hate LA or Calif or anywhere else, is not going to change that..in fact, it says more about you.

I don't hate LA you dip. You are the one that always denigrates Missoula as not being urban and worldly. I was just digging you and you took the bait as usual. :clap:

 

[JBS]

Think people need to calm down and let all the facts come out before they call for more firings. I've known Jim O'Day since I was a little kid. He's a great guy and a very caring person. Pflugrad also seemed to be a guy who really cared about his players. Good people get fired everyday and a lot of times its from things that they can't control but that they are ultimatly responsible for. When you are in a leadership position that is just part of the job. I haven't seen anything that Engstrom has done wrong yet and I'm curiously awaiting on more information of why termination was deemed the appropriate decision for Jim and Robin. Bottom line though is that Jim is the point of leadership of the AD and Robin is the point of leadership of the football program and there are issues that are damaging enough to warrant drastic measures. Anyways, despite all of this I hope that all decisions that are being made are being done in the best interest of the University and the football program. I believe that they probably are.

I don't think anyone is doubting they're "good guys", but I think you answered your own question.

That's not what really what I was stabbing at. I think people need to calm down on their opinions on Engstrom until all the facts come out. Regardless though, I have full confidence that the decisions made are being made in the best interest of the University and not out of some conspiracy passing the blame onto somebody else. People need to calm down and realize that if we continued down the same path we were going down that we might get to a place where the damage would take years to recover from.

I think we are already at a place where it will take at least a couple of years to recover from. People tend to be loyal to their friends, co-workers, bosses, teammates, coaches, etc... There is going to be a lot more blood letting than just Pflu and O'Day. There will be an exodus of coaches and players, and it is way too late to play catch up for the coming season, which will snowball into the next.

The way this happened now, today, breeds conspiracy theories. My inner Jesse Ventura has no problem thinking up things when the board of regents and the elitists of academia are involved. This could have all been avoided if the firing would have been done a couple of months ago. It isn't the fact that they were fired that bothers me, it is how and when they were fired.

 

[rabid_griz]

How did JJ select his attorney?

I am pretty sure Hauck started assigning a lawyer to each new recruit and it carried over to Pflus regime....so JJ probably had his for a few years........................

Nice.

Oh, please. Keep in mind that Jordan is somebody's SON. He actually had a life before he came to the University of Montana to play football. I'm sure his parents are intent on making sure that he has good legal representation and are highly involved in the whole process. Just as any other parents would be if their child were to be ACCUSED of a crime.

 

[Growler1]

I don't get this quote by Growler1 "The axe fell, my friends, and it was over-due! This criminal culture has been created by Bobby Hauck in his efforts to win-at-all-costs, so that he could realize his dream to coach the big boys. It has continued under O'Day and Phlu, and perhaps has even escalated. O'Day should have fired Hauck after several of the criminal acts were committed, then swept under the rug by Hauck."

I can say in my five years playing under Hauck there was not a "criminal culture," far from it actually. He was a hard lined coach who liked to handle things in house. People may not like that approach, but that's the way it was. Players did get in trouble and in some cases arrested, but to think that Hauck fostered this kind of behavior is a misrepresentation of his tenure. I can tell you from experience that if you got in any kind of trouble Hauck would deal with it swiftly, but preferably in house. A lot can be said about Bobby, but soft on troublemakers is something I would never say.

So, Hauck didn't take take any player kicked off his IA team? Come on, dude! He recruited kids with very questionable character. And, your "handle it in house" mantra is just another way of saying "swept it under the rug". We all remember the Tru Johnson bitch-beating, which Hauck tried to say never happended.

 

[Oldgriz72]

I don't get this quote by Growler1 "The axe fell, my friends, and it was over-due! This criminal culture has been created by Bobby Hauck in his efforts to win-at-all-costs, so that he could realize his dream to coach the big boys. It has continued under O'Day and Phlu, and perhaps has even escalated. O'Day should have fired Hauck after several of the criminal acts were committed, then swept under the rug by Hauck."

I can say in my five years playing under Hauck there was not a "criminal culture," far from it actually. He was a hard lined coach who liked to handle things in house. People may not like that approach, but that's the way it was. Players did get in trouble and in some cases arrested, but to think that Hauck fostered this kind of behavior is a misrepresentation of his tenure. I can tell you from experience that if you got in any kind of trouble Hauck would deal with it swiftly, but preferably in house. A lot can be said about Bobby, but soft on troublemakers is something I would never say.

So, Hauck didn't take take any player kicked off his IA team? Come on, dude! He recruited kids with very questionable character. And, your "handle it in house" mantra is just another way of saying "swept it under the rug". We all remember the Tru Johnson bitch-beating, which Hauck tried to say never happended.

I know Growlers type. Every sports program has your type. You've never played but think you can. You've never coached but think you should. And because of your poor pathetic life, you believe this gives you a the right to spout off about what you don't know. I feel sorry for you and your type. It's really pathetic.

 

[Fortpeckgriz]

I think there is a line between "handle it in house" and "sweep under the rug" that you are missing, Growler1. I don't have the facts on Tru's incident and I would venture to say that you do not as well. As a player it always pisses us off when you fans pass judgment and hang us in front of the whole city before we can even defend ourselves. Are there moments we mess up? Sure, but they do not always require you fans finding out to pass judgment when you don't know what happened. You can call this "sweeping it under the rug" if you want, but that is a misrepresentation. The players are punished, you just never hear about it.

This does not include rapes or the beating of women as those are dealt with according to whatever civil/criminal/student code administrators feel appropriate. However, there was no "criminal culture." No player walked around thinking they could act like a criminal just because Bobby was the coach. Most of us were scared to death of Bobby and acted appropriately. I think you may need to calm down, drink a beer, and watch a sport of some sort. The sun will rise tomorrow.

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

I think this is a conspiracy involving Tinkle to get fans to start loving basketball more than football again.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I think this is a conspiracy involving Tinkle to get fans to start loving basketball more than football again.

YES, that is it. We are now a basketball school!!!!!! :thumb: :clap: