Griz Secondary?

[get'em_griz]

Pony and Player are right, because getgrizzy is extremely off base, and the proof is, you claim to see what the Griz are doing at practice. WRONG. Practices are closed and I know for a fact staff has been instructed not to discuss said practices. So no, you are not seeing what the Griz are running at practice. But you can read reports at GoGriz.com and in the Missoulian, and what I read is, the Griz are throwing quite a bit in practice. JJ threw two TD bombs yesterday and Shay had another, Ellis Henderson caught two of em, and the speed of the new Washington receiver, along with Henderson has been mentioned more than once. Am I saying this is the most talented Griz team ever? Nope. Am I predicting a national title or even a deep playoff run? Nope. But I know for a fact the Griz, and the players Getgrizzy mentioned above are a hell of alot better than he's saying, and I also know he hasn't seen a damn thing at practice. Unless of course, Getgrizzy is actually Bill Speltz. If he's not, then nope, he hasn't seen what the Griz are doing at practice.

i never said i was at any practices or even implied as much. this was in speltz's story today:

Canada is excited to put his new physique to the test in Montana’s new pro-set offense.

“It’s a running scheme,” explained the California product, who is also a highly dependable receiver out of the backfield. “It’s on the shoulders of the running backs so I feel me and (backup running back) Tra (Van) are going to have outstanding years.

“We have a new fullback who is going to help us out,” he added, referring to Boise State transfer Jamal Wilson. “I think it’s beautiful. As a running back you can’t ask for more.”

thanks for backing me up on this bill. we are going to a run-based offense. that's the strength of our team. not passing. our qb doesn't have a strong or overly accurate arm and our wrs are green and not that fast. even if they were fast j.j. can't consistently get it to them deep. the furthest i've seen j.j. throw the ball is 50 yards and he put everything he had into it. his completion pct. was below 60% in 2011.

JJ will be lighting up defenses this season, and you can take that to the bank. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

Found it. In NAU game after getting a 10 point lead, UM had 10 drives with no points. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Some of the other games are similar problems as the game went on.

"In the NAU game, UM was kicking ass in the first 1.25 quarters. 3 TD's and 1 FG in 4 drives. 24-14 lead at half. Lost by 10. Then 2 fumbles and 3 interceptions and virtually no offensive production. The next 10 drives netted no points, until the 11th drive resulted in late TD pass in the last several minutes. In those 10 drives, 132 yards. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Longest drive, in terms of time, in those 10 drives, was 2:29. 3 of the first 5 of those 10 drives resulted in NAU getting the ball in UM territory, including on the UM 20 and 22. That put alot of pressure on the defense."

 

[PlayerRep]

Pony and Player are right, because getgrizzy is extremely off base, and the proof is, you claim to see what the Griz are doing at practice. WRONG. Practices are closed and I know for a fact staff has been instructed not to discuss said practices. So no, you are not seeing what the Griz are running at practice. But you can read reports at GoGriz.com and in the Missoulian, and what I read is, the Griz are throwing quite a bit in practice. JJ threw two TD bombs yesterday and Shay had another, Ellis Henderson caught two of em, and the speed of the new Washington receiver, along with Henderson has been mentioned more than once. Am I saying this is the most talented Griz team ever? Nope. Am I predicting a national title or even a deep playoff run? Nope. But I know for a fact the Griz, and the players Getgrizzy mentioned above are a hell of alot better than he's saying, and I also know he hasn't seen a damn thing at practice. Unless of course, Getgrizzy is actually Bill Speltz. If he's not, then nope, he hasn't seen what the Griz are doing at practice.

i never said i was at any practices or even implied as much. this was in speltz's story today:

Canada is excited to put his new physique to the test in Montana’s new pro-set offense.

“It’s a running scheme,” explained the California product, who is also a highly dependable receiver out of the backfield. “It’s on the shoulders of the running backs so I feel me and (backup running back) Tra (Van) are going to have outstanding years.

“We have a new fullback who is going to help us out,” he added, referring to Boise State transfer Jamal Wilson. “I think it’s beautiful. As a running back you can’t ask for more.”

thanks for backing me up on this bill. we are going to a run-based offense. that's the strength of our team. not passing. our qb doesn't have a strong or overly accurate arm and our wrs are green and not that fast. even if they were fast j.j. can't consistently get it to them deep. the furthest i've seen j.j. throw the ball is 50 yards and he put everything he had into it. his completion pct. was below 60% in 2011.

Stop posting nonsense, especially if you haven't been watching the team practice. JJ can throw the ball about 10 yards farther than he could 2 years ago. His arms strength is good. His accuracy is good. There is considerable speed at receiver. Henderson, Walcott, Chase N and the new UW transfer are fast, and some of them are very fast. Yes, some of the receivers are young. I thought I read a quote from Delaney saying JJ had been very accurate. People who watched spring ball, summer practices and the several practices recently, all have said JJ's arm looks very good and he's throwing accurately.

 

[grizcountry420]

Found it. In NAU game after getting a 10 point lead, UM had 10 drives with no points. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Some of the other games are similar problems as the game went on.

"In the NAU game, UM was kicking ass in the first 1.25 quarters. 3 TD's and 1 FG in 4 drives. 24-14 lead at half. Lost by 10. Then 2 fumbles and 3 interceptions and virtually no offensive production. The next 10 drives netted no points, until the 11th drive resulted in late TD pass in the last several minutes. In those 10 drives, 132 yards. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Longest drive, in terms of time, in those 10 drives, was 2:29. 3 of the first 5 of those 10 drives resulted in NAU getting the ball in UM territory, including on the UM 20 and 22. That put alot of pressure on the defense."

AZGrizFan also had some really good point too about how poor our red zone offense and defense were last year.

 

[PlayerRep]

stoolzjizzy: Why do you pretend to be a Griz fan? Just curious.

why do you insist on burying your head in the sand? i just tell it like it is. someone has to or we look like a bunch of bush league fans.

getgrizzy has been consistently wrong on almost every subject he's ever posted on. I can't recall much he's ever been right on. Told us the ncaa had rejected UM's offer of 4 lost schollies and considering a playoff ban. Completely untrue. Just one of many examples. My post on the secondary is spot on. Front 7s can't protect secondaries most of the time. It just doesn't work that way. Only smaller things can be done and only on certain plays. UM may have the best speed at receiver that it's ever had. JJ has improved considerably from 2 years ago. Stronger and more accurate arm. Has the potential to be one of the premier qb's in the nation.

except i wasn't wrong. the ncaa did reject our proposal wih four schols because they added to it. read the report and weep. and I never said the ncaa was proposing a ban. i said that might be the reason they rejected our proposal.

No, you were wrong. At the end, the important discussions involved a certain coach, not UM. Virtually everything in report, including penalties, were known around Missoula in the early winter, except for what the coach would agree to.

 

[PlayerRep]

Found it. In NAU game after getting a 10 point lead, UM had 10 drives with no points. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Some of the other games are similar problems as the game went on.

"In the NAU game, UM was kicking ass in the first 1.25 quarters. 3 TD's and 1 FG in 4 drives. 24-14 lead at half. Lost by 10. Then 2 fumbles and 3 interceptions and virtually no offensive production. The next 10 drives netted no points, until the 11th drive resulted in late TD pass in the last several minutes. In those 10 drives, 132 yards. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Longest drive, in terms of time, in those 10 drives, was 2:29. 3 of the first 5 of those 10 drives resulted in NAU getting the ball in UM territory, including on the UM 20 and 22. That put alot of pressure on the defense."

AZGrizFan also had some really good point too about how poor our red zone offense and defense were last year.

Yes, saw that, and AZGriz is correct.

 

[getgrizzy]

I didn't know you had injury issues, if thats the case I'm sure you guys will get the W against App being at home and having your qb back. Good Luck this season...hope to see ya in the playoffs :thumb:

No one believes UM's pass defense and secondary play was good last year, or even close to being up to par. This includes fans, players and coaches. There were obvious issues, especially as the season went on and especially given that UM was close to leading the nation in sacks. Contributing to the bad stats was the fact that many of the best passing teams in the nation are in the Big Sky. One starting safety had a toe/foot problem as well as a neck problem. One backup safety was lost for the season fairly early. I think another one down the depth chart was out too. At times, the 2 backups were hurt and out for a game or two. The 4 rotating corners were all young or new to the program. There were some pass coverage issues with the backers at times. All of this contributed to some awful games for the pass defense. There's a new safety coach this year. Young and played at Oregon St. Last year's coach was old with lots of coaching experience, but probably not into coaching at UM. There is no doubt the pass defense will be better this year, probably much better. The question is how much.

translated means p.r. had no clue as usual. our secondary is basically the same batch as last year. since we're switching to a run-based offense they aren't getting tested much in practice. we're counting our o line and backs to keep the ball away from opposing offenses to protect the secondary this year. we need to get the lead early, get the ball back and then ground-n-pound. it's our best bet for getting back in the playoffs because our pass game is weak even with j.j. back. our top returning receiver only had 23 catches last year and we don't have much speed out there or a qb that can get it to them if we could. we can definitely run and stop the run, but pass and stop the pass is an adventure.

If you are going to try to play the role of a griz fan you really should take some acting classes or something. Every one of your posts makes it so obvious that you are a cat fan. You can do better, just believe in yourself.

if any of you can find just one post that shows that i sound like a cat fan please post it and i'll quit posting here forever. i won't hold my breath. you guys just can't handle a post that points out any flaw WE may have.

 

[getgrizzy]

Found it. In NAU game after getting a 10 point lead, UM had 10 drives with no points. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Some of the other games are similar problems as the game went on.

"In the NAU game, UM was kicking ass in the first 1.25 quarters. 3 TD's and 1 FG in 4 drives. 24-14 lead at half. Lost by 10. Then 2 fumbles and 3 interceptions and virtually no offensive production. The next 10 drives netted no points, until the 11th drive resulted in late TD pass in the last several minutes. In those 10 drives, 132 yards. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Longest drive, in terms of time, in those 10 drives, was 2:29. 3 of the first 5 of those 10 drives resulted in NAU getting the ball in UM territory, including on the UM 20 and 22. That put alot of pressure on the defense."

sounds more like coaching than anything else. n.a.u. made adjustments, obviously, and we didn't. of course you've ruled that out somehow haven't you?

 

[PlayerRep]

Found it. In NAU game after getting a 10 point lead, UM had 10 drives with no points. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Some of the other games are similar problems as the game went on.

"In the NAU game, UM was kicking ass in the first 1.25 quarters. 3 TD's and 1 FG in 4 drives. 24-14 lead at half. Lost by 10. Then 2 fumbles and 3 interceptions and virtually no offensive production. The next 10 drives netted no points, until the 11th drive resulted in late TD pass in the last several minutes. In those 10 drives, 132 yards. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Longest drive, in terms of time, in those 10 drives, was 2:29. 3 of the first 5 of those 10 drives resulted in NAU getting the ball in UM territory, including on the UM 20 and 22. That put alot of pressure on the defense."

sounds more like coaching than anything else. n.a.u. made adjustments, obviously, and we didn't. of course you've ruled that out somehow haven't you?

Don't know what caused it; just that it occurred and occurred big time. It's highly unlikely that NAU made an adjustment early in the 2d quarter that completely shut down UM's offense and caused a bunch of turnovers. Bigger adjustments usually get made at halftime, when there is time to think them through and institute them by talking the players.. What I do know is that the offense would have performed much better with JJ, and UM would have likely won the game.

 

[zirge]

Gonna be new people in there or just counting on one more year of experience?

both.......yesterday hermy and bo were the no 1's and romminger was the ss and whitted was the fs for the no 2's

 

[mtgrizrule]

How do you know when it is GRIZ football season? EGRIZ cannot make it to the 1st game w/out a few egrizzers getting into an useless stupid pissing match! Only the results on the field this season will tell the story. Last season the pass defense was PATHETIC. Fortunately the pass defense did look better to close out the season.

As for JJ, we cannot prove how many W's he was worth last year. Would have we won more? Yes. Would have made the playoffs? Most likely yes. His qb play and consistency would have changed the dynamics of offense, defense, and special teams. Would have he had a stinker game or 2, resulting in a GRIZ loss or 2? Likely he would have struggled a game or 2. Very seldom do QB's make it a full season without at least one bad game.

As for this season, even Gregorak has acknowledged the pass defense has to be more aggressive. I have said it before the end of last season, that will be the #1 thing I am looking at from the get go this season. If I don't see a more aggressive pass defense this season, I will be extremely disappointed in our coaching staff, especially Gregorak. I am a huge advocate of Ty, and feel he will be one hell of a DC. His future is being tested this season. This is a critical year, not only for the GRIZ, but for him too. I have faithTy will have more aggressive strategy, and his players do not perform, then that will show he has the wrong personnel. If they struggle in pass defense because of lame ass conservative strategy, then that is 100% on him. I believe the likely outcome is a much improved pass defense, and he strengthens his coaching future.

With that said, feel free to continue the pissing match.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

How do you know when it is GRIZ football season? EGRIZ cannot make it to the 1st game w/out a few egrizzers getting into an useless stupid pissing match! Only the results on the field this season will tell the story. Last season the pass defense was PATHETIC. Fortunately the pass defense did look better to close out the season.

As for JJ, we cannot prove how many W's he was worth last year. Would have we won more? Yes. Would have made the playoffs? Most likely yes. His qb play and consistency would have changed the dynamics of offense, defense, and special teams. Would have he had a stinker game or 2, resulting in a GRIZ loss or 2? Likely he would have struggled a game or 2. Very seldom do QB's make it a full season without at least one bad game.

As for this season, even Gregorak has acknowledged the pass defense has to be more aggressive. I have said it before the end of last season, that will be the #1 thing I am looking at from the get go this season. If I don't see a more aggressive pass defense this season, I will be extremely disappointed in our coaching staff, especially Gregorak. I am a huge advocate of Ty, and feel he will be one hell of a DC. His future is being tested this season. This is a critical year, not only for the GRIZ, but for him too. I have faithTy will have more aggressive strategy, and his players do not perform, then that will show he has the wrong personnel. If they struggle in pass defense because of lame ass conservative strategy, then that is 100% on him. I believe the likely outcome is a much improved pass defense, and he strengthens his coaching future.

With that said, feel free to continue the pissing match.

Good post. Why get in a pissing match now? The season will start in a couple weeks and all this prognosticating will be behind us. The fans will see soon enough how things play out. It's been a long offseason. There's a Lotta angst on this fan board. Just sayin........

 

['68griz]

MGR, you know as well as I do that there will always be pissing matches between Griz fans. There is always someone who doesn't like the offense/defense/QB/special teams coach/etc., no matter how successful or woeful the team may be. That's just how it rolls. The one thing on which we all (well, actually, there are a couple so-called Griz fans about whom I have doubts....) agree is that it's a good day when the Griz win!

 

[poorgriz]

Found it. In NAU game after getting a 10 point lead, UM had 10 drives with no points. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Some of the other games are similar problems as the game went on.

"In the NAU game, UM was kicking ass in the first 1.25 quarters. 3 TD's and 1 FG in 4 drives. 24-14 lead at half. Lost by 10. Then 2 fumbles and 3 interceptions and virtually no offensive production. The next 10 drives netted no points, until the 11th drive resulted in late TD pass in the last several minutes. In those 10 drives, 132 yards. 9 of those drives were 5 plays or less. Longest drive, in terms of time, in those 10 drives, was 2:29. 3 of the first 5 of those 10 drives resulted in NAU getting the ball in UM territory, including on the UM 20 and 22. That put alot of pressure on the defense."

Riveting commentary. You obviously played the game.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

Pony and Player are right, because getgrizzy is extremely off base, and the proof is, you claim to see what the Griz are doing at practice. WRONG. Practices are closed and I know for a fact staff has been instructed not to discuss said practices. So no, you are not seeing what the Griz are running at practice. But you can read reports at GoGriz.com and in the Missoulian, and what I read is, the Griz are throwing quite a bit in practice. JJ threw two TD bombs yesterday and Shay had another, Ellis Henderson caught two of em, and the speed of the new Washington receiver, along with Henderson has been mentioned more than once. Am I saying this is the most talented Griz team ever? Nope. Am I predicting a national title or even a deep playoff run? Nope. But I know for a fact the Griz, and the players Getgrizzy mentioned above are a hell of alot better than he's saying, and I also know he hasn't seen a damn thing at practice. Unless of course, Getgrizzy is actually Bill Speltz. If he's not, then nope, he hasn't seen what the Griz are doing at practice.

i never said i was at any practices or even implied as much. this was in speltz's story today:

Canada is excited to put his new physique to the test in Montana’s new pro-set offense.

“It’s a running scheme,” explained the California product, who is also a highly dependable receiver out of the backfield. “It’s on the shoulders of the running backs so I feel me and (backup running back) Tra (Van) are going to have outstanding years.

“We have a new fullback who is going to help us out,” he added, referring to Boise State transfer Jamal Wilson. “I think it’s beautiful. As a running back you can’t ask for more.”

thanks for backing me up on this bill. we are going to a run-based offense. that's the strength of our team. not passing. our qb doesn't have a strong or overly accurate arm and our wrs are green and not that fast. even if they were fast j.j. can't consistently get it to them deep. the furthest i've seen j.j. throw the ball is 50 yards and he put everything he had into it. his completion pct. was below 60% in 2011.

I think you are selling JJ short. His so called "lack of accuracy" was coached. The lower completion percentage reflects Coach Smith's qb philosophy that it is better to just throw it away than to take a sack. That is what JJ was trained to do. As a result, many times when he was unable to escape, he just threw it away.

 

[getgrizzy]

Pony and Player are right, because getgrizzy is extremely off base, and the proof is, you claim to see what the Griz are doing at practice. WRONG. Practices are closed and I know for a fact staff has been instructed not to discuss said practices. So no, you are not seeing what the Griz are running at practice. But you can read reports at GoGriz.com and in the Missoulian, and what I read is, the Griz are throwing quite a bit in practice. JJ threw two TD bombs yesterday and Shay had another, Ellis Henderson caught two of em, and the speed of the new Washington receiver, along with Henderson has been mentioned more than once. Am I saying this is the most talented Griz team ever? Nope. Am I predicting a national title or even a deep playoff run? Nope. But I know for a fact the Griz, and the players Getgrizzy mentioned above are a hell of alot better than he's saying, and I also know he hasn't seen a damn thing at practice. Unless of course, Getgrizzy is actually Bill Speltz. If he's not, then nope, he hasn't seen what the Griz are doing at practice.

i never said i was at any practices or even implied as much. this was in speltz's story today:

Canada is excited to put his new physique to the test in Montana’s new pro-set offense.

“It’s a running scheme,” explained the California product, who is also a highly dependable receiver out of the backfield. “It’s on the shoulders of the running backs so I feel me and (backup running back) Tra (Van) are going to have outstanding years.

“We have a new fullback who is going to help us out,” he added, referring to Boise State transfer Jamal Wilson. “I think it’s beautiful. As a running back you can’t ask for more.”

thanks for backing me up on this bill. we are going to a run-based offense. that's the strength of our team. not passing. our qb doesn't have a strong or overly accurate arm and our wrs are green and not that fast. even if they were fast j.j. can't consistently get it to them deep. the furthest i've seen j.j. throw the ball is 50 yards and he put everything he had into it. his completion pct. was below 60% in 2011.

I think you are selling JJ short. His so called "lack of accuracy" was coached. The lower completion percentage reflects Coach Smith's qb philosophy that it is better to just throw it away than to take a sack. That is what JJ was trained to do. As a result, many times when he was unable to escape, he just threw it away.

there isn't a coach from high school on up that doesn't preach that. when you hold that constant for all qbs its a wash. we were also a short to mid-range passing team, which generally helps accuracy.

what j.j. Is good at is exploiting mistakes and defensive tendencies with his feet and passing. that's what puts him a notch above being an average qb. if he was more accurate and had a stronger arm, he'd be great. he's had some great games, but he was very up-n-down in 2011.

 

[get'em_griz]

Pony and Player are right, because getgrizzy is extremely off base, and the proof is, you claim to see what the Griz are doing at practice. WRONG. Practices are closed and I know for a fact staff has been instructed not to discuss said practices. So no, you are not seeing what the Griz are running at practice. But you can read reports at GoGriz.com and in the Missoulian, and what I read is, the Griz are throwing quite a bit in practice. JJ threw two TD bombs yesterday and Shay had another, Ellis Henderson caught two of em, and the speed of the new Washington receiver, along with Henderson has been mentioned more than once. Am I saying this is the most talented Griz team ever? Nope. Am I predicting a national title or even a deep playoff run? Nope. But I know for a fact the Griz, and the players Getgrizzy mentioned above are a hell of alot better than he's saying, and I also know he hasn't seen a damn thing at practice. Unless of course, Getgrizzy is actually Bill Speltz. If he's not, then nope, he hasn't seen what the Griz are doing at practice.

i never said i was at any practices or even implied as much. this was in speltz's story today:

Canada is excited to put his new physique to the test in Montana’s new pro-set offense.

“It’s a running scheme,” explained the California product, who is also a highly dependable receiver out of the backfield. “It’s on the shoulders of the running backs so I feel me and (backup running back) Tra (Van) are going to have outstanding years.

“We have a new fullback who is going to help us out,” he added, referring to Boise State transfer Jamal Wilson. “I think it’s beautiful. As a running back you can’t ask for more.”

thanks for backing me up on this bill. we are going to a run-based offense. that's the strength of our team. not passing. our qb doesn't have a strong or overly accurate arm and our wrs are green and not that fast. even if they were fast j.j. can't consistently get it to them deep. the furthest i've seen j.j. throw the ball is 50 yards and he put everything he had into it. his completion pct. was below 60% in 2011.

I think you are selling JJ short. His so called "lack of accuracy" was coached. The lower completion percentage reflects Coach Smith's qb philosophy that it is better to just throw it away than to take a sack. That is what JJ was trained to do. As a result, many times when he was unable to escape, he just threw it away.

there isn't a coach from high school on up that doesn't preach that. when you hold that constant for all qbs its a wash. we were also a short to mid-range passing team, which generally helps accuracy.

what j.j. Is good at is exploiting mistakes and defensive tendencies with his feet and passing. that's what puts him a notch above being an average qb. if he was more accurate and had a stronger arm, he'd be great. he's had some great games, but he was very up-n-down in 2011.

Some of those "up-n-downs" in 2011 couldn't possibly be a result of JJ being the starting QB for the first time in his college career...

 

[getgrizzy]

i never said i was at any practices or even implied as much. this was in speltz's story today:


thanks for backing me up on this bill. we are going to a run-based offense. that's the strength of our team. not passing. our qb doesn't have a strong or overly accurate arm and our wrs are green and not that fast. even if they were fast j.j. can't consistently get it to them deep. the furthest i've seen j.j. throw the ball is 50 yards and he put everything he had into it. his completion pct. was below 60% in 2011.

I think you are selling JJ short. His so called "lack of accuracy" was coached. The lower completion percentage reflects Coach Smith's qb philosophy that it is better to just throw it away than to take a sack. That is what JJ was trained to do. As a result, many times when he was unable to escape, he just threw it away.

there isn't a coach from high school on up that doesn't preach that. when you hold that constant for all qbs its a wash. we were also a short to mid-range passing team, which generally helps accuracy.

what j.j. Is good at is exploiting mistakes and defensive tendencies with his feet and passing. that's what puts him a notch above being an average qb. if he was more accurate and had a stronger arm, he'd be great. he's had some great games, but he was very up-n-down in 2011.

Some of those "up-n-downs" in 2011 couldn't possibly be a result of JJ being the starting QB for the first time in his college career...

could be. could've been a sophomore slump too. it is what it is though.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Gonna be new people in there or just counting on one more year of experience?

both.......yesterday hermy and bo were the no 1's and romminger was the ss and whitted was the fs for the no 2's

I can't add any any actual information but I think it will be really fun to beat the cats at the end of the regular season forcing them to go to Fargo for the first round...we will catch y'all further down the road. Also, 2011 and 2012 stats aside, JJ brings more than his passing to this team. Leadership and confidence will get us those first downs we couldn't manage last year.

 

[Darksim]

Gonna be new people in there or just counting on one more year of experience?

both.......yesterday hermy and bo were the no 1's and romminger was the ss and whitted was the fs for the no 2's

I can't add any any actual information but I think it will be really fun to beat the cats at the end of the regular season forcing them to go to Fargo for the first round...we will catch y'all further down the road. Also, 2011 and 2012 stats aside, JJ brings more than his passing to this team. Leadership and confidence will get us those first downs we couldn't manage last year.

JJ will do absolute wonders for the griz this year. That guy has more talent in his pinky than most people ever get.

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