Bison player suspended over banned substance

[CDAGRIZ]

The issue is he took too much caffeine

No, dude. The issue is whether a “Performance Coach” provided student-athletes with performance enhancing drugs.

Keep posting. You’re not losing this argument at all, and you’re starting to convince us all that this is not nearly as bad as our hotdog-gate

Keep pretending this is going to result in anything.

When the University of Montana gives free soda through meal plans, they are providing them with banned supplements according to the NCAA.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Caffeine%20and%20Athletic%20Performance.pdf

It’s why they put out information to players to avoid too much in order to trigger a test. It is up to the player to make sure they know what they are putting in their bodies.

Wait, now the Ben guy was a university guy? Or was he a booster?
The issues change based on what you're claiming his role was . . . today.

 

[garizzalies]

It is up to the player to make sure they know what they are putting in their bodies.

Maybe if you post this another forty-nine times it might change the appearance that he got the performance enhancing drug from his performance coach, but probably not.

Do you not understand that your excuse might apply to some kid acting independently and on his own, but it is different when a performance coach provides the performance enhancing drug?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

The issue is he took too much caffeine

No, dude. The issue is whether a “Performance Coach” provided student-athletes with performance enhancing drugs.

Keep posting. You’re not losing this argument at all, and you’re starting to convince us all that this is not nearly as bad as our hotdog-gate

Keep pretending this is going to result in anything.

When the University of Montana gives free soda through meal plans, they are providing them with banned supplements according to the NCAA.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Caffeine%20and%20Athletic%20Performance.pdf

It’s why they put out information to players to avoid too much in order to trigger a test. It is up to the player to make sure they know what they are putting in their bodies.

Wait, now the Ben guy was a university guy? Or was he a booster?
The issues change based on what you're claiming his role was . . . today.

Last year, I was at the University of Montana and bought a 5 hour energy drink on campus.

Can’t believe the university is selling a banned substance to their student athletes!

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

It is up to the player to make sure they know what they are putting in their bodies.

Maybe if you post this another forty-nine times it might change the appearance that he got the performance enhancing drug from his performance coach, but probably not.

Do you not understand that your excuse might apply to some kid acting independently and on his own, but it is different when a performance coach provides the performance enhancing drug?

Not really....NCAA notes that a player should not consume more than 500 mg in order to avoid a positive test.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Caffeine%20and%20Athletic%20Performance.pdf

Up to the player to regulate.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

No, dude. The issue is whether a “Performance Coach” provided student-athletes with performance enhancing drugs.

Keep posting. You’re not losing this argument at all, and you’re starting to convince us all that this is not nearly as bad as our hotdog-gate

Keep pretending this is going to result in anything.

When the University of Montana gives free soda through meal plans, they are providing them with banned supplements according to the NCAA.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Caffeine%20and%20Athletic%20Performance.pdf

It’s why they put out information to players to avoid too much in order to trigger a test. It is up to the player to make sure they know what they are putting in their bodies.

Wait, now the Ben guy was a university guy? Or was he a booster?
The issues change based on what you're claiming his role was . . . today.

Last year, I was at the University of Montana and bought a 5 hour energy drink on campus.

Can’t believe the university is selling a banned substance to their student athletes!

You continue to miss the point, and I don't think it's on purpose.
If Ben was a staff member, he pushed his own product on players, and the AD lied to the press.
If Ben was a booster, he may have provided an improper benefit, which is much more serious.

It doesn't matter what the substance is if he provided improper benefits. It could have been popsicles, or hot dogs, or bail money.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

It is up to the player to make sure they know what they are putting in their bodies.

Maybe if you post this another forty-nine times it might change the appearance that he got the performance enhancing drug from his performance coach, but probably not.

Do you not understand that your excuse might apply to some kid acting independently and on his own, but it is different when a performance coach provides the performance enhancing drug?

Not really....NCAA notes that a player should not consume more than 500 mg in order to avoid a positive test.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Caffeine%20and%20Athletic%20Performance.pdf

Up to the player to regulate.

Since a player is tested post game, and the half life of caffeine is 4 hours, if he tested higher than 500mg, he had to have ingested more than 1000 mg right before kickoff. Given that Monster has the highest energy drink per can level of 242 mg., that's chugging more than 4 large Monsters. But since he'd have to figure a way to get rid of all that liquid, he must have loaded up another way (the supplement). My guess is, based on what mom was saying, these players regularly loaded before a game with a carefully measured amount so that they would test under 500 mg post game, but somehow he screwed up--maybe a booster hit or two during halftime? A more accurate report would reveal at what level for caffeine did each of the 600 Bison players test in the past. Then we would know the real story, and mom would be vindicated. Are the Bison coaches on a first name basis with Belichick? Asking for the FCS world.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Keep pretending this is going to result in anything.

When the University of Montana gives free soda through meal plans, they are providing them with banned supplements according to the NCAA.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Caffeine%20and%20Athletic%20Performance.pdf

It’s why they put out information to players to avoid too much in order to trigger a test. It is up to the player to make sure they know what they are putting in their bodies.

Wait, now the Ben guy was a university guy? Or was he a booster?
The issues change based on what you're claiming his role was . . . today.

Last year, I was at the University of Montana and bought a 5 hour energy drink on campus.

Can’t believe the university is selling a banned substance to their student athletes!

You continue to miss the point, and I don't think it's on purpose.
If Ben was a staff member, he pushed his own product on players, and the AD lied to the press.
If Ben was a booster, he may have provided an improper benefit, which is much more serious.

It doesn't matter what the substance is if he provided improper benefits. It could have been popsicles, or hot dogs, or bail money.

You continue to make up something that not a single person said.

Not one person (Ben, his mom, etc) said the players were getting a supplement provided to them as an illegal (NCAA) benefit. Not one person said that.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

It is up to the player to make sure they know what they are putting in their bodies.

Maybe if you post this another forty-nine times it might change the appearance that he got the performance enhancing drug from his performance coach, but probably not.

Do you not understand that your excuse might apply to some kid acting independently and on his own, but it is different when a performance coach provides the performance enhancing drug?

Not really....NCAA notes that a player should not consume more than 500 mg in order to avoid a positive test.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Caffeine%20and%20Athletic%20Performance.pdf

Up to the player to regulate.

Since a player is tested post game, and the half life of caffeine is 4 hours, if he tested higher than 500mg, he had to have ingested more than 1000 mg right before kickoff. Given that Monster has the highest energy drink per can level of 242 mg., that's chugging more than 4 large Monsters. But since he'd have to figure a way to get rid of all that liquid, he must have loaded up another way (the supplement). My guess is, based on what mom was saying, these players regularly loaded before a game with a carefully measured amount so that they would test under 500 mg post game, but somehow he screwed up--maybe a booster hit or two during halftime? A more accurate report would reveal at what level for caffeine did each of the 600 Bison players test in the past. Then we would know the real story, and mom would be vindicated. Are the Bison coaches on a first name basis with Belichick? Asking for the FCS world.

600 players tested would include 300 before Ben Newman ever became a motivational speaker (didn’t speak at NDSU before 2015).

A kid consumed too much caffeine and got into trouble. Mom is pissed because he didn’t follow the rules.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

It appears 2011BA has painted himself into a corner but is pretending not to notice.

 

[MikeyGriz]

When will they vacate the title? Or at least put an asterisk beside it?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

It appears 2011BA has painted himself into a corner but is pretending not to notice.

How? I said from the first post on that the supplement he took is not specifically banned. It has an ingredient in it, caffeine, that 99% of college football players consume illegally when they drink coffee, soda, tea etc.

The player, not the institution, is responsible for monitoring how much of it goes into their body.

I’ve yet to see a college campus where caffeine is banned for retail sale. Maybe the NCAA should crack down on every school and disallow the sale of anything with caffeine in it.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Maybe if you post this another forty-nine times it might change the appearance that he got the performance enhancing drug from his performance coach, but probably not.

Do you not understand that your excuse might apply to some kid acting independently and on his own, but it is different when a performance coach provides the performance enhancing drug?

Not really....NCAA notes that a player should not consume more than 500 mg in order to avoid a positive test.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Caffeine%20and%20Athletic%20Performance.pdf

Up to the player to regulate.

Since a player is tested post game, and the half life of caffeine is 4 hours, if he tested higher than 500mg, he had to have ingested more than 1000 mg right before kickoff. Given that Monster has the highest energy drink per can level of 242 mg., that's chugging more than 4 large Monsters. But since he'd have to figure a way to get rid of all that liquid, he must have loaded up another way (the supplement). My guess is, based on what mom was saying, these players regularly loaded before a game with a carefully measured amount so that they would test under 500 mg post game, but somehow he screwed up--maybe a booster hit or two during halftime? A more accurate report would reveal at what level for caffeine did each of the 600 Bison players test in the past. Then we would know the real story, and mom would be vindicated. Are the Bison coaches on a first name basis with Belichick? Asking for the FCS world.

600 players tested would include 300 before Ben Newman ever became a motivational speaker (didn’t speak at NDSU before 2015).

A kid consumed too much caffeine and got into trouble. Mom is pissed because he didn’t follow the rules.

As I alluded to, the Belichick pipeline...

I think the culprit here is gravy. I hear the body fat from fat stores caffeine and alters the half-life decomposition rate. Poor guy was just retaining and didn't know it.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Wait, now the Ben guy was a university guy? Or was he a booster?
The issues change based on what you're claiming his role was . . . today.

Last year, I was at the University of Montana and bought a 5 hour energy drink on campus.

Can’t believe the university is selling a banned substance to their student athletes!

You continue to miss the point, and I don't think it's on purpose.
If Ben was a staff member, he pushed his own product on players, and the AD lied to the press.
If Ben was a booster, he may have provided an improper benefit, which is much more serious.

It doesn't matter what the substance is if he provided improper benefits. It could have been popsicles, or hot dogs, or bail money.

You continue to make up something that not a single person said.

Not one person (Ben, his mom, etc) said the players were getting a supplement provided to them as an illegal (NCAA) benefit. Not one person said that.

Man, I wonder why nobody would say a booster potentially provided an improper benefit.
I'm saying we don't know. The AD was very quick to say it came from another player, and that the department doesn't provide supplements. Very quick. He might regret saying it didn't come from the program before all is said and done.

We know it's the dude's own product, he owns it, and he recommended it to the suspended player. Do you believe the player paid full retail, or do you think maybe the mental coach might've pulled some strings AT THE COMPANY HE OWNS to get some product for the team THAT PAYS HIM. Don't you think it might be worth knowing the circumstances under which the player(s) obtained the banned drug? That's literally the only missing piece of information. The NCAA might not investigate, but if the player(s) got the banned drugs for free or at any discount, no matter how small, it is the definition of an improper benefit. Then, the player(s) would have necessarily competed while ineligible, and wins would have to be vacated.

This, of course, is assuming you are correct that the dude will not be deemed to have been a part of the staff.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

It appears 2011BA has painted himself into a corner but is pretending not to notice.

How? I said from the first post on that the supplement he took is not specifically banned. It has an ingredient in it, caffeine, that 99% of college football players consume illegally when they drink coffee, soda, tea etc.

The player, not the institution, is responsible for monitoring how much of it goes into their body.

I’ve yet to see a college campus where caffeine is banned for retail sale. Maybe the NCAA should crack down on every school and disallow the sale of anything with caffeine in it.

I’ll join in the debate for fun. Is one mg of caffeine an ncaa violation? 50 mg? 100? What is the exact amount of caffeine in the system that warrants an ncaa violation?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It appears 2011BA has painted himself into a corner but is pretending not to notice.

How? I said from the first post on that the supplement he took is not specifically banned. It has an ingredient in it, caffeine, that 99% of college football players consume illegally when they drink coffee, soda, tea etc.

The player, not the institution, is responsible for monitoring how much of it goes into their body.

I’ve yet to see a college campus where caffeine is banned for retail sale. Maybe the NCAA should crack down on every school and disallow the sale of anything with caffeine in it.

I’ll join in the debate for fun. Is one mg of caffeine an ncaa violation? 50 mg? 100? What is the exact amount of caffeine in the system that warrants an ncaa violation?

I think it's 500mg. As horribilisfan posted earlier (great post, BTW), they are tested post game. Half is burned off within 4 hours. If that's true, the kid was really hitting the caffeine hard before the game. Dangerously hard. Saying only one kid tested positive in response to the mom saying everyone did it doesn't get you anywhere. The entire team could play most of a game at illegal levels and test negative after that game (again, horribilisfan pointed this out, so I don't want to steal credit).

 

[alabamagrizzly]

It appears 2011BA has painted himself into a corner but is pretending not to notice.

How? I said from the first post on that the supplement he took is not specifically banned. It has an ingredient in it, caffeine, that 99% of college football players consume illegally when they drink coffee, soda, tea etc.

The player, not the institution, is responsible for monitoring how much of it goes into their body.

I’ve yet to see a college campus where caffeine is banned for retail sale. Maybe the NCAA should crack down on every school and disallow the sale of anything with caffeine in it.

I’ll join in the debate for fun. Is one mg of caffeine an ncaa violation? 50 mg? 100? What is the exact amount of caffeine in the system that warrants an ncaa violation?

I think it's 500mg. As horribilisfan posted earlier (great post, BTW), they are tested post game. Half is burned off within 4 hours. If that's true, the kid was really hitting the caffeine hard before the game. Dangerously hard. Saying only one kid tested positive in response to the mom saying everyone did it doesn't get you anywhere. The entire team could play most of a game at illegal levels and test negative after that game (again, horribilisfan pointed this out, so I don't want to steal credit).

Thanks CDA but I read the great post too and already knew it. I’m just waiting for 2011BA to tell me that there’s 500 mg of caffeine in a can of coke that he is so adamant on stating that the school is in violation of selling to their student athletes.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

How? I said from the first post on that the supplement he took is not specifically banned. It has an ingredient in it, caffeine, that 99% of college football players consume illegally when they drink coffee, soda, tea etc.

The player, not the institution, is responsible for monitoring how much of it goes into their body.

I’ve yet to see a college campus where caffeine is banned for retail sale. Maybe the NCAA should crack down on every school and disallow the sale of anything with caffeine in it.

I’ll join in the debate for fun. Is one mg of caffeine an ncaa violation? 50 mg? 100? What is the exact amount of caffeine in the system that warrants an ncaa violation?

I think it's 500mg. As horribilisfan posted earlier (great post, BTW), they are tested post game. Half is burned off within 4 hours. If that's true, the kid was really hitting the caffeine hard before the game. Dangerously hard. Saying only one kid tested positive in response to the mom saying everyone did it doesn't get you anywhere. The entire team could play most of a game at illegal levels and test negative after that game (again, horribilisfan pointed this out, so I don't want to steal credit).

Thanks CDA but I read the great post too and already knew it. I’m just waiting for 2011BA to tell me that there’s 500 mg of caffeine in a can of coke that he is so adamant on stating that the school is in violation of selling to their student athletes.

:thumb:
In other news, we may never know how many bizons were drug tested in the playoffs since 2010.

 

[jodcon]

I don't know why you guys are still arguing about this, the Bizon guy said he was done talking about it quite a while ago...way before he responded the last 6 or 8 times.

 

[Ursa Major]

I don't know why you guys are still arguing about this, the Bizon guy said he was done talking about it quite a while ago...way before he responded the last 6 or 8 times.

By the sounds of it, many of the bison players could have been gorked up at kickoff since the contracted pusher man began providing goods and services in 2015. Interesting.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

I don't know why you guys are still arguing about this, the Bizon guy said he was done talking about it quite a while ago...way before he responded the last 6 or 8 times.

By the sounds of it, many of the bison players could have been gorked up at kickoff since the contracted pusher man began providing goods and services in 2015. Interesting.

Well they’re definitely still discussing it over at Beefcakeville. 35,000 views and 250+ responses with over 200 of them in the last two days.