Nobody is being dramatic, merely pointing out the facts. It's a lot tougher to win with a team that went 6-5 and 7-4 and missed the playoffs running a different offense the two years before you show up than it is to take over a team that was undefeated and running your offense last year.argh! said:
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Way Too Early Look at 2020 Schedule
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jcu27 said:
Have they?
George Ferguson said:
NAU has (as part of a home and home) filled the scheduled out for the next five seasons with:
Eastern Washington(last half of OOC Home and home)
South Dakota
Sam Houston
North Dakota
Dixie State (starting in 2024 when they are full scholarship)
Every season NAU plays one home, one away with another major FCS conference school.
dbackjon said:
Yep...that's how it's supposed to work. But, Haslem tried real hard, so it's all good.
George Ferguson
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SoldierGriz said:
As I mentioned above, EVERY single one of the FCS teams the Griz could have played on the opening Saturday of the season, and there weren't many, would only agree to play the Griz at their place in exchange for a home game later on. A five-game home schedule in exchange for a better SOS was NOT going to happen, and WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
CDAGRIZ said:
It's also wild that other schools can figure it out. Cripesn even nau can do it.
George Ferguson said:
Home and Home...it's literally how it works. And, if the Griz are trying to build the schedule a season or even 2 out...well, that just feels like amateur hour.
Is the entire athletic department trying to RTD? Perhaps they just need to shoot for just better than good as a start.
I mean marketing and social media continue to lag. One has to CALL the ticket office for season ticket prices...the list goes on.
SoldierGriz said:
I honestly don’t know this particular situation, but the “it can’t be done” mentality sure seems to come up a lot. Remember when tons of people bought that night games couldn’t be done because barkeeps would lose money?
It’s beyond the scope of this discussion, and it’s not intended as a direct criticism of any administrator, but sometimes I feel like the “fuck this, we’re going beyond” mentality that sparked the rise of the Griz isn’t as apparent as it once was.
sdk.catfish
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The current economic drivers make this a true statement. It produces more revenue to have 6 home games, even if a couple of them are yawners, than 5 competitive ones. This will continue until fans decide to make different entertainment choices. Personally it isn't worth it to me, with tickets, food and lodging costs, to drive over and watch the Griz annihilate Morehead State or Central Washington so I won't. However those games will continue to be scheduled until/unless fans simply lose interest and the economics appear different to the athletic department.
One could also tie this to the move-up or not dilemma. Much like FBS, FCS has a top tier of only a few teams, in recent years primarily one, who are competitive at a playoff level. I know many of you like the FCS playoffs, as I do, however there are not 24 teams remotely competitive. So you have the Southeast Louisianans of the world, coming in ranked 15th or whatever, getting blown out by 50. It is very very difficult to build out a competitive schedule that prepares teams for the top 4 or 5 teams they will see in the playoffs, especially in the Big Sky with the unbalanced schedule. And to be honest there are many who find watching the Griz winning by 50 no matter who the opponent entertaining. When entertainment ceases to be entertaining but still costs the same amount of money something may give eventually but I wouldn't expect to see it anytime soon.
Just a few things:
We haven't played a sub D1 school in the past 5 years.
Since 2009, the only Big Sky schools to play fewer sub D1 teams than us are Weber(1), Cal Poly(3), SUU(4), and UND(4), but every one of those schools except UND have multiple seasons playing 2 FBS teams (Weber(6), SUU(4), Cal Poly(2)), instead of a sub D1.
NAU, the school being held up as the standard a few posts before this, has played 7 Sub D1 schools since 2009 (3 in the last 5 years). Going forward it sounds like they're trying to copy our scheduling practices, minus the FBS game every year.
MSU has played 8 sub D1 schools, and Eastern has played 6 sub D1 schools.
You don't have to be excited at the idea of playing a sub D1 school, but it's pretty funny to see people get so bent out of shape for our first D2 game in six years and act like we're doing something wrong. :lol:
We haven't played a sub D1 school in the past 5 years.
Since 2009, the only Big Sky schools to play fewer sub D1 teams than us are Weber(1), Cal Poly(3), SUU(4), and UND(4), but every one of those schools except UND have multiple seasons playing 2 FBS teams (Weber(6), SUU(4), Cal Poly(2)), instead of a sub D1.
NAU, the school being held up as the standard a few posts before this, has played 7 Sub D1 schools since 2009 (3 in the last 5 years). Going forward it sounds like they're trying to copy our scheduling practices, minus the FBS game every year.
MSU has played 8 sub D1 schools, and Eastern has played 6 sub D1 schools.
You don't have to be excited at the idea of playing a sub D1 school, but it's pretty funny to see people get so bent out of shape for our first D2 game in six years and act like we're doing something wrong. :lol:
sdk.catfish
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I'm not quite sure what you are saying here so hopefully I don't misinterpret. Yes, UM can use 1 of 3 (or 2 out of 3 like Portland State) out of conference slots to schedule whomever but what is the incentive? UM has scheduled, and will probably continue to schedule an FBS opponent most years but not next year. But with the general lack of parity in the FCS, a team may be better off to schedule 3 cupcake out of conference opponents and hope they win them all. There are only so many 9-2 teams and they usually get a 1 - 8 seed. In conference, looking at the Big Sky, there are usually only 3 to 4 teams that will compete for the conference title and a team, depending on the draw, may only have to play 2. So if you don't lose out of conference, or only lose one to an FBS, win the cupcake FCS games like Moorhead State, and break even on the tough BSC games you are 8 and 3. Good breaks and we are 9 and 2 and seeded in the playoffs. The conference schedule is what it is and we might be playing more Northern Colorado's than playing Eastern Washington. There is absolutely no reason, if simply getting into the playoffs and having a home game or two is the goal, to schedule any reasonable competition. Now if we actually want to go further into the playoffs, then scheduling tougher opponents may be beneficial to going further, and we may wan't to consider another route.
I'm always amazed at people who don't think we have any control over these things. If you don't like BS games like Central Washington and Moorhead State just don't go. Believe me if there are only 5K in the stands the AD will take notice eventually. Bad Fan????????? Maybe but it is your (and mine) entertainment money so spend it as you wish
uofmman1122 said:
I don't have an issue with it per se. I get it. I'd certainly prefer the Griz play ANY FCS school over a sub D1 school.
What I don't get is why schedules aren't locked in more than a year or even 2 in advance. The crap about the AD trying really hard just doesn't sit well with me.
Thanks for the numbers above...any idea how many NDSU has played or JMU for that matter?
SoldierGriz said:
In the last 10 years, JMU hasn't played lower than 1-AA. NDSU has once, 2013 against Ferris St.
