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Stock in Gragg, Gregorak as future HC just went up !!!
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billingsgriz
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Amen, Buttegrizzle !!!
Ty has done an outstanding job as our DC this year and he has improved all three years !!!
The kids love and respect him, and I believe the incoming recruits are of like opinion or will be soon if he is named HC.
Ty is about 36-37, full of energy--kind of a younger version of Mick--I think Mick sees a lot of himself from 40 years ago in Ty.
If he had been charged and convicted in Colorado, fine--don't consider him. But he wasn't, and he doesn't deserve to be disqualified from being GRIZ HC based on dismissed charges and innuendo !!! Our AD and president felt the same way or they would have vetoed Mick's hiring of him as our DC.
Ty has done an outstanding job as our DC this year and he has improved all three years !!!
The kids love and respect him, and I believe the incoming recruits are of like opinion or will be soon if he is named HC.
Ty is about 36-37, full of energy--kind of a younger version of Mick--I think Mick sees a lot of himself from 40 years ago in Ty.
If he had been charged and convicted in Colorado, fine--don't consider him. But he wasn't, and he doesn't deserve to be disqualified from being GRIZ HC based on dismissed charges and innuendo !!! Our AD and president felt the same way or they would have vetoed Mick's hiring of him as our DC.
Billings, my views have nothing to do with any charges in Colorado. The head coach has to manage 100 young men and a staff of assistants much the same as a CEO of a small company. I don't see either of these gentlemen prepared to assume this leadership position. There will be many other candidates more experienced and qualified. Hopefully, Kent has started the national search?
grizpack said:
Here's a thought. NO WAY IN HELL we go with an outside hire and don't keep most of the current staff. That's all we need- some football genius from bubbaville not knowing anything about the state he works for trying to find a ranch out north of Plevna to recruit that next 280 pound freak D lineman that comes along. And before you Grass-is-Greener types start spewing about the mystical qualities of out of state talent consider this: of the Griz players good enough to go to the NFL, I can think of only Wilson and Trumaine as being from out of state, with Mariani, Tripp, Coyle, Anderson, Bierman and Reynolds (and probably Wags) being from Montana. We need to keep a montana contingent involved in some capacity.
billingsgriz
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Spanky, you make some excellent points !
But when you talk about being more experienced and qualified, you are talking about someone that is more experienced and qualified in some other school's program, not in our program, not in the last 5 years anyway. And this individual is probably from a different region of the country and maybe a different time zone that doesn't know Montana, GRIZ football, UM or the Pacific NW
And if he isn't, he's probably Beau Baldwin or someone very similar to him--already successful at this level and likely to just punch his ticket after 2-3 years and leave for an FBS job where he can triple or quadruple his salary.
Almost 30 years ago, the Bobcats cleaned house and hired Earle Solomonsen from NDSU, where he had won something like two Div. II NC's back when the Bison were still Div. II.
Earl was a good and decent man--I met him when I worked at The Holiday-Inn Parkside while attending UM, (The Cats were staying there for Cat-GRIZ), but he was from the Midwest, didn't understand Big Sky football, didn't know a lot of folks in Montana or the Pacific NW, and his wishbone offense floundered--this is all from memory. He lasted about 4 years--our streak against the Bobcats began with Earl as their HC, Don Read as ours.
In defense of The Bobcats, their program had started to fail after winning the NC in '84--the Cats could and did make an argument at that time for going outside the program for new blood.
We have no such excuse--our program after sputtering Mick's first year, improved last year and again this year, so I just don't see the need to go outside the program, kind of like our basketball team: Krysko, Tinks, Travis.
But when you talk about being more experienced and qualified, you are talking about someone that is more experienced and qualified in some other school's program, not in our program, not in the last 5 years anyway. And this individual is probably from a different region of the country and maybe a different time zone that doesn't know Montana, GRIZ football, UM or the Pacific NW
And if he isn't, he's probably Beau Baldwin or someone very similar to him--already successful at this level and likely to just punch his ticket after 2-3 years and leave for an FBS job where he can triple or quadruple his salary.
Almost 30 years ago, the Bobcats cleaned house and hired Earle Solomonsen from NDSU, where he had won something like two Div. II NC's back when the Bison were still Div. II.
Earl was a good and decent man--I met him when I worked at The Holiday-Inn Parkside while attending UM, (The Cats were staying there for Cat-GRIZ), but he was from the Midwest, didn't understand Big Sky football, didn't know a lot of folks in Montana or the Pacific NW, and his wishbone offense floundered--this is all from memory. He lasted about 4 years--our streak against the Bobcats began with Earl as their HC, Don Read as ours.
In defense of The Bobcats, their program had started to fail after winning the NC in '84--the Cats could and did make an argument at that time for going outside the program for new blood.
We have no such excuse--our program after sputtering Mick's first year, improved last year and again this year, so I just don't see the need to go outside the program, kind of like our basketball team: Krysko, Tinks, Travis.
billingsgriz said:
They won't but they should...
Buttegrizzle....you forgot Terry Dillon, one of the greatest players in UM history and he wasn't from Montana and there are many, many more that were not from Montana. Of course, a new coach will want to retain a couple from the current staff. Are you suggesting that the new coach can't find good players that aren't from Montana?
billingsgriz
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No, Spanky--Scott played for Don Read 20 years ago as a GRIZ OT.
And Ty knows Don Read--met him when Don was our AD for a year after Boss Hogg, Wayne Hogan, got fired, and Ty was an assistant. I believe their tenure's overlapped.
Plus, Bobby learned under Don Read as a grad assistant, and Bobby very publicly talked of frequently picking Don's brain when Bobby was our HC.
And Ty learned his craft largely as a defensive assistant coach to Bobby at UM.
And Ty knows Don Read--met him when Don was our AD for a year after Boss Hogg, Wayne Hogan, got fired, and Ty was an assistant. I believe their tenure's overlapped.
Plus, Bobby learned under Don Read as a grad assistant, and Bobby very publicly talked of frequently picking Don's brain when Bobby was our HC.
And Ty learned his craft largely as a defensive assistant coach to Bobby at UM.
Billings....my point was that Don Read came from outside Montana and our program. If we can find a coach with a winning record at a good school, that would be the direction I would like to see us take. Ty should be considered, along with the other candidates, but not given the job by default. You have suggested that if we win against San Diego that should be Kent's decision. Now, Billings, if we make it to the semi-finals, you may have a case for Ty.
billingsgriz
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Because he has grown as a coach in maturity and effectiveness and responsibility, has helped oversee recruiting with Coach Green, including next year's incoming class which on paper anyway, looks pretty impressive, and if he had anything to do with installing those zone-read plays last week, and I think he did since he oversees the run game, that was nothing short of brilliant !!! And add to the fact that he was already a head coach, albeit high school and agreeing that while there are some similarities, there are also a lot of differences between the two--speed of the game, recruiting, etc.
I remember the Cat DE or LB dropping back in coverage in the first quarter on Saturday and looking to his left and seeing Jordy race past him for the first time, and I thought Sea Bass, that Cat defender is thinking to himself and maybe even yelling out loud. "Hey, where did you come from ? You're not supposed to do that !"
If Mick, and Scott, and Jordy cooked up the idea of Jordy maybe selling his sprained ankle as being a little worse than it really was against Southern Utah knowing The Shi##y Kitties would watch it on tape and lick their chops ("Johnson won't be able to move next week--he will be a sitting duck in the pocket !" ... Brilliant !!!)
And it doesn't hurt his recruiting ability that he was a second-round NFL draft pick--the highest in GRIZ history, 11 year NFL veteran, and former All-Pro offensive lineman.
I can just hear some prospective athlete that is being recruited by Pac-12 and/or Mountain West schools , "But Coach Gragg, I want to play in the NFL." And Gragg could reply with something like, "Hey junior, I was a GRIZ player, got drafted in the second round, and played for the Giants, '49'ers, and Jets for 11 years. If you're a phenom, NFL scouts visit us in Missoula all of the time throughout the season."
GRIZ OL Jordan Hines has talked about how they carefully listen to Coach Gragg because he's a good coach, and he played 11 years in The NFL--sounds like most if not all GRIZ players respect Scott's experience and knowledge of the game !!!
I remember the Cat DE or LB dropping back in coverage in the first quarter on Saturday and looking to his left and seeing Jordy race past him for the first time, and I thought Sea Bass, that Cat defender is thinking to himself and maybe even yelling out loud. "Hey, where did you come from ? You're not supposed to do that !"
If Mick, and Scott, and Jordy cooked up the idea of Jordy maybe selling his sprained ankle as being a little worse than it really was against Southern Utah knowing The Shi##y Kitties would watch it on tape and lick their chops ("Johnson won't be able to move next week--he will be a sitting duck in the pocket !" ... Brilliant !!!)
And it doesn't hurt his recruiting ability that he was a second-round NFL draft pick--the highest in GRIZ history, 11 year NFL veteran, and former All-Pro offensive lineman.
I can just hear some prospective athlete that is being recruited by Pac-12 and/or Mountain West schools , "But Coach Gragg, I want to play in the NFL." And Gragg could reply with something like, "Hey junior, I was a GRIZ player, got drafted in the second round, and played for the Giants, '49'ers, and Jets for 11 years. If you're a phenom, NFL scouts visit us in Missoula all of the time throughout the season."
GRIZ OL Jordan Hines has talked about how they carefully listen to Coach Gragg because he's a good coach, and he played 11 years in The NFL--sounds like most if not all GRIZ players respect Scott's experience and knowledge of the game !!!
billingsgriz
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Spanky, we agree-- I knew sooner or later it would happen !!!
Neither Ty nor Scott are from Montana, just like Don Read and Joe Glenn, and we won national championships under those two fine coaches ! ( Coincidence or cause-effect ?)
Neither Ty nor Scott are from Montana, just like Don Read and Joe Glenn, and we won national championships under those two fine coaches ! ( Coincidence or cause-effect ?)
Spanky said:
Just a bit of revisionist history, Spanky. Read had a terrible record before he came here, didn't he? I have an Uncle in Portland who was shocked that UM hired Read.
Spanky said:
I'm just looking at the past few years but my point was that we will lose something in montana recruiting if we come in with an all new staff and don't retain somebody with connections. You can say well they have their own sources back in bubba ole, but it's a montana school and should get the best of MT players.
Buttegrizzle said:
Do you really think that if a new head coach is hired that he would not hire some assistants that have ties to Montana? Plus, I thought the best kids in Montana were not going to UM under the current staff? Pretty sure I heard that some where.
grizindabox said:
Now we are saying the same thing I think. If we hire an outside HC, we need at least some staff familiar with the program, the university, the state and the BSC. I don't see why some of our current staff wouldn't be just fine where they are at with a new HC.
kemajic said:
We wouldn't hire Don Read now. Can you imagine bringing in a sub.-500 coach in 2014?? It's a sign that we have had a generation of tremendous success.
