BillingsMafia
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Effects of a word wide economic depression will be 100 times worse than the effects of the virus. That's what scares me.
EverettGriz said:firmgriz said:ordigger said:2 week shutdown is pretty useless. To achieve what they claim, the world needs to shutdown until the vaccine is available in 2021.
The shutdown isn’t necessarily aimed at preventing infections (although it is for vulnerable populations). It’s aim is to slow the rate of community infection so that hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. It’s about flattening and lengthening the curve, not eliminating it, so in that respect governments believe their actions are doing just that.
Agree completely, as I noted above. China's numbers prove this is an effective method.
BillingsMafia said:Effects of a word wide economic depression will be 100 times worse than the effects of the virus. That's what scares me.
firmgriz said:ordigger said:2 week shutdown is pretty useless. To achieve what they claim, the world needs to shutdown until the vaccine is available in 2021.
The shutdown isn’t necessarily aimed at preventing infections (although it is for vulnerable populations). It’s aim is to slow the rate of community infection so that hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. It’s about flattening and lengthening the curve, not eliminating it, so in that respect governments believe their actions are doing just that (as Everett described above).
firmgriz said:EverettGriz said:firmgriz said:ordigger said:2 week shutdown is pretty useless. To achieve what they claim, the world needs to shutdown until the vaccine is available in 2021.
The shutdown isn’t necessarily aimed at preventing infections (although it is for vulnerable populations). It’s aim is to slow the rate of community infection so that hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. It’s about flattening and lengthening the curve, not eliminating it, so in that respect governments believe their actions are doing just that.
Agree completely, as I noted above. China's numbers prove this is an effective method.
Indeed. I just edited my post because you nailed it.
EverettGriz said:The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.
But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.
These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.
ordigger said:EverettGriz said:The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.
But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.
These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.
China didn’t try to flatten the curve. They aggressively went after it to drop the curve immediately. And we see the disaster happening it Italy and Spain, both of which have tried to flatten the curve. Spain is about to be overwhelmed
grizindabox said:ordigger said:EverettGriz said:The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.
But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.
These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.
China didn’t try to flatten the curve. They aggressively went after it to drop the curve immediately. And we see the disaster happening it Italy and Spain, both of which have tried to flatten the curve. Spain is about to be overwhelmed
The way people are bitching now, could you imagine the outcry if the US put the same restrictions in place that China did?
grizindabox said:ordigger said:EverettGriz said:The answer is both yes and no. Americans are greatly overestimating their personal risk of the virus.
But the actions implemented to slow the spread of the disease is far from an overreaction. And extremely clear data from China prove it.
These steps will in no way stop the spread of the virus, but they're not intended to. They are intended to greatly slow the spread. Look at the daily trend lines for new cases in China. After they implemented their draconian policies, new cases dropped from 3,000 a day to less than 100. That's what our policies are intended to do. And if we fail, and a month from now that 3,000 new cases a day number has jumped to 30,000, we'll absolutely overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.
China didn’t try to flatten the curve. They aggressively went after it to drop the curve immediately. And we see the disaster happening it Italy and Spain, both of which have tried to flatten the curve. Spain is about to be overwhelmed
The way people are bitching now, could you imagine the outcry if the US put the same restrictions in place that China did?
PlayerRep said:Here's another article/opinion. The guy asks some good questions. It's from Fox, so I assume the guy is conservative. It's not a political article, tho.
"Hilton challenges Fauci, health officials over this coronavirus precaution: 'It doesn't add up'"
https://www.foxnews.com/media/steve-hilton-dr-fauci-coronavirus-school-closures
BillingsMafia said:Effects of a word wide economic depression will be 100 times worse than the effects of the virus. That's what scares me.
AllWeatherFan said:I’m no epidemiologist, but to me, buying 19 cases of toilet paper is an overreaction. Cancelling events that involve large groups of people is not an overreaction.
grizturd said:To quote someone much smarter than I am:
“In the end we will never know if we over reacted and did too much.
But in the end it will be very apparent if we under reacted and did too little.”
grizindabox said:It will be impossible to know if we overreacted or did too much, but it will be QUITE apparent if we under reacted or did too little.
grizindabox said:grizturd said:To quote someone much smarter than I am:
“In the end we will never know if we over reacted and did too much.
But in the end it will be very apparent if we under reacted and did too little.”
grizindabox said:It will be impossible to know if we overreacted or did too much, but it will be QUITE apparent if we under reacted or did too little.
kemajic said:This is one of the best articles on the issue I have read.
https://newcriterion.com/blogs/dispatch/compared-to-what