Question For Payton

[ordigger]

Do you assume that anybody who bounces around isn’t successful? I guess the majority of football coaches aren’t successful then.

Resume alert:

I will say this: I had a 27-year military career (I bounced around a lot, but not by choice :lol: ), enlisting as an E-2. Set a goal (PR) to become an officer and was selected for an enlisted commissioning program in 1985 and finished my military career as an O-4E (goal accomplished). I’ve followed that up with a 28 year banking career in which I’ve had six jobs. Each with increasing responsibility, or at bigger companies, and each with better pay. Not sure how the attorney world works, but in banking (and most other businesses) if you want a step increase in pay or responsibility, you typically have to look outside your current employer. There’s no harm in that, but PR makes it seem like there is.

Was a CFO of a small institution for 5 years, then at a larger financial institution for 9 years. Set a goal (that was for you, PR) to be a CEO of a financial institution before I was 50. At 47 I was selected to be CEO of a smaller financial institution and found out on day FOUR that the prior CEO had been stealing from the company and it was not viable in the long term. Ended up merging that financial institution into another and got ANOTHER CEO position at a financial institution 200 miles away from my family. Did that for TWO years (driving back and forth on weekends) until we all got tired of it, then was selected for my current position as CFO of a $13 BILLION institution. So, 5 jobs in 26 years, one of which was not by choice. If that’s considered “bouncing around”, and if being CEO of two different organizations and CFO of a $13 Billion institution (top 15 in the country) isn’t considered achieving goals, well I guess I’ll just have to reevaluate my lot in life.

On the back porch. Overlooking the water. At my lakehouse.

Maybe I’ll take a spin in my Griz-colored ‘69 GTO convertible to ease the pain of the myriad horrible decisions I’ve made in life. Or I could get into my ‘79 Freewheeling Bronco and take a spin around the Ford Off-Rodeo facility that’s 9 miles down the road. From my lake house.

I don’t know…I’ve never contemplated this issue before. If anyone has any thoughts I’d be happy to hear them. Before this morning I didn’t realize I was a failure in life. :lol:

Hopefully the early sacrifices paid off in the long run. Sounds like it did career wise, and probably for the family.

I did the opposite. Moved up the career ladder to Senior VP for the second largest consumer packaged goods marketing company. Once had about 20 supervisors and managers plus 600 employees working for me, but I burned out on corporate politics and “playing” that game; and decided to move into the oil/gas field utilizing my engineering degree from Tech. Now I make far better money, and only manage one other person. No stress, and when I’m asked my opinions about corporate decisions being made by my boss, I just nod my head - and say to myself “been there, done that”.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Resume alert:

I will say this: I had a 27-year military career (I bounced around a lot, but not by choice :lol: ), enlisting as an E-2. Set a goal (PR) to become an officer and was selected for an enlisted commissioning program in 1985 and finished my military career as an O-4E (goal accomplished). I’ve followed that up with a 28 year banking career in which I’ve had six jobs. Each with increasing responsibility, or at bigger companies, and each with better pay. Not sure how the attorney world works, but in banking (and most other businesses) if you want a step increase in pay or responsibility, you typically have to look outside your current employer. There’s no harm in that, but PR makes it seem like there is.

Was a CFO of a small institution for 5 years, then at a larger financial institution for 9 years. Set a goal (that was for you, PR) to be a CEO of a financial institution before I was 50. At 47 I was selected to be CEO of a smaller financial institution and found out on day FOUR that the prior CEO had been stealing from the company and it was not viable in the long term. Ended up merging that financial institution into another and got ANOTHER CEO position at a financial institution 200 miles away from my family. Did that for TWO years (driving back and forth on weekends) until we all got tired of it, then was selected for my current position as CFO of a $13 BILLION institution. So, 5 jobs in 26 years, one of which was not by choice. If that’s considered “bouncing around”, and if being CEO of two different organizations and CFO of a $13 Billion institution (top 15 in the country) isn’t considered achieving goals, well I guess I’ll just have to reevaluate my lot in life.

On the back porch. Overlooking the water. At my lakehouse.

Maybe I’ll take a spin in my Griz-colored ‘69 GTO convertible to ease the pain of the myriad horrible decisions I’ve made in life. Or I could get into my ‘79 Freewheeling Bronco and take a spin around the Ford Off-Rodeo facility that’s 9 miles down the road. From my lake house.

I don’t know…I’ve never contemplated this issue before. If anyone has any thoughts I’d be happy to hear them. Before this morning I didn’t realize I was a failure in life. :lol:

Hopefully the early sacrifices paid off in the long run. Sounds like it did career wise, and probably for the family.

I did the opposite. Moved up the career ladder to Senior VP for the second largest consumer packaged goods marketing company. Once had about 20 supervisors and managers plus 600 employees working for me, but I burned out on corporate politics and “playing” that game; and decided to move into the oil/gas field utilizing my engineering degree from Tech. Now I make far better money, and only manage one other person. No stress, and when I’m asked my opinions about corporate decisions being made by my boss, I just nod my head - and say to myself “been there, done that”.

Interestingly the move to Texas was the best move I ever made, and it was basically made solely to get my family back under one roof. But Texas has been phenomenal to me and my career.

 

[MrTitleist]

I don’t know…I’ve never contemplated this issue before. If anyone has any thoughts I’d be happy to hear them. Before this morning I didn’t realize I was a failure in life. :lol:

I have some thoughts....

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don’t know…I’ve never contemplated this issue before. If anyone has any thoughts I’d be happy to hear them. Before this morning I didn’t realize I was a failure in life. :lol:

I have some thoughts....

I’m sure you do, buster. Keep those to yourself until I’m in Missoula next. :twisted:

 

[Raider]

As some of you know, I coached on a High School Level in Montana and Texas and understand what it takes to get a team ready for games, training and the off season.
It is incredibly hard and I am honored to be in the same light as other Coaches. I have spoken with head coaches at a high Texas HS and FBS level and have been taught by them. LSU, Texas A&M, Houston, Texas etc... (We had a RB and went on to TCU and was the 3A (now 4A) Texas MVP and spent a few years in the NFL), so they were all on our HS campus. Our Head coach in Texas (that I coached under) is highly thought of in the coaching ranks and got calls daily from other coaches. He is a man of high integrity and always put the student ath. before everything else. (AND YES he won most of the games he coached in his career around 80%) I learned more than I ever thought I could about coaching and football from him and the other coaches I had the honor of sitting down with. I have never met a coach that did not work harder than you would ever believe, they would not last long if they were lazy. Serious TYPE A's with a supercharged desire to win.

Because of this I RARLY say or post anything about coaches or players (Other than recruiting)

I am not in the room with them watching film
I do not know what is going on in their personal lives
I do not know what players may or may not be going through
I do not know if the coaches kids or wife is sick
I do not know which players made a mistake on a certain play that cost UM a Touchdown (I can usually guess, but I really don't know because Im not in the trenches with them)
I do not know what pressure admin and other department heads are putting on the players and coaches.
Recruiting is cut throat and really last year around for coaches like Hauck and Justin Green
When I was a kid coaches could take 3 months off to relax and get recharged...That does not happen now, even at the HS level.

In other words, I have never met a coach that did not want to be successful and win every game that they coached. But sometimes other things get in the way from all the hard work that You (any coach) do.

And let's face it you can have the best off season, schedule and all the intangibles and still have a less than expected season. As a coaching friend of mine says "The F'ing ball isn't round!"

Yes there are sometime I grumble to myself but I don't believe in bashing coaches (or players for that matter) in public, because I think that is very unfair. For every 1 coach/player that isn't giving their best, I have seen 100's that are.

One last thing. A lot of people /Griz fans have REALLY high expectations, which is fine. But the last time I checked there were 120 FCS teams and the Griz are in the top 15 EVERY DAMN YEAR! I wish fans would stop bashing UM about the 10 teams in front of them and realize there are 100 that are behind them!

AS far as RTD...I feel like fans don't realize that UM Griz are Dominate! You put them in any FCS league but the Missouri Valley or Big Sky and they would likely kick the shat out of every team in that conference. And really its only 6 or 7 MV/Big Sky teams that UM needs to catch. They probably finish around 500 in the Mountain West.

As far as Hauck and company... What do you want? They win most of the games they coach, his players graduate and the Team GPA is 3.20 or something close to that. It appears that he has cleaned up the past problems. AND if it was so bad why do the players stay? Do things need to be changed/ twinked? Yes, but that is every year!

Is there things I would change? Yes but every coach does things a little different... And I and fans are in NO position to even remotely know what is going on inside of the fieldhouse and the coaches/ players at UM

Some good insights Peyton. I too was a high football coach for a number of years, was a high school principal for nearly 20 years, and started for four years on four dominate Carroll football teams. We have had season tickets since 1991 and have only missed 2 games during that timeframe. My son is in high school and is currently being recruited by both the Griz and Cats. Totally different vibes between the two programs. The archaic mindset by the Griz coaches and for that matter, the entire athletics department is killing them. There is absolutely no question that the Griz are losing the in-state recruiting battle. I have another son that works in the athletic department and another that walked-on and graduated from the U. I think I have a pretty good perspective from lots of different angles. From my perspective, the Griz are not dominate and if you placed them in another conference they would not dominate. They win games against average or really bad teams and struggle against good teams. You're right, I am spoiled, I attended every national championship game and they were a blast. We are nowhere near that level. I do agree with you that coaches don't have mindset to purposely lose, but a failure to reflect and address issues that contribute to losing could be argued is preparing to lose. They pulled their qb in the quarterfinals for videographer because in Bobby's words "he gave us the best chance to win." Yet, they didn't address the issue in offseason and left the players out to dry @ Sac and Weber. I only have one expectation of the Griz every year and that's to play for the national title. We are lightyears away from that happening.

This is good stuff, Steve. Your ability to concoct these stories is all world! :lol:

“A” for originality on this one my man. You slipped a little on the comment about going to all the NC games, when you couldn’t remember when two of them took place, but other than that, this is solid gold.

20+ years of message board hijinks is really paying off. Well done.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Do you assume that anybody who bounces around isn’t successful? I guess the majority of football coaches aren’t successful then.

Resume alert:

I will say this: I had a 27-year military career (I bounced around a lot, but not by choice :lol: ), enlisting as an E-2. Set a goal (PR) to become an officer and was selected for an enlisted commissioning program in 1985 and finished my military career as an O-4E (goal accomplished). I’ve followed that up with a 28 year banking career in which I’ve had six jobs. Each with increasing responsibility, or at bigger companies, and each with better pay. Not sure how the attorney world works, but in banking (and most other businesses) if you want a step increase in pay or responsibility, you typically have to look outside your current employer. There’s no harm in that, but PR makes it seem like there is.

Was a CFO of a small institution for 5 years, then at a larger financial institution for 9 years. Set a goal (that was for you, PR) to be a CEO of a financial institution before I was 50. At 47 I was selected to be CEO of a smaller financial institution and found out on day FOUR that the prior CEO had been stealing from the company and it was not viable in the long term. Ended up merging that financial institution into another and got ANOTHER CEO position at a financial institution 200 miles away from my family. Did that for TWO years (driving back and forth on weekends) until we all got tired of it, then was selected for my current position as CFO of a $13 BILLION institution. So, 5 jobs in 26 years, one of which was not by choice. If that’s considered “bouncing around”, and if being CEO of two different organizations and CFO of a $13 Billion institution (top 15 in the country) isn’t considered achieving goals, well I guess I’ll just have to reevaluate my lot in life.

On the back porch. Overlooking the water. At my lakehouse.

Maybe I’ll take a spin in my Griz-colored ‘69 GTO convertible to ease the pain of the myriad horrible decisions I’ve made in life. Or I could get into my ‘79 Freewheeling Bronco and take a spin around the Ford Off-Rodeo facility that’s 9 miles down the road. From my lake house.

I don’t know…I’ve never contemplated this issue before. If anyone has any thoughts I’d be happy to hear them. Before this morning I didn’t realize I was a failure in life. :lol:

Stop bragging. Ha. See, I said you bounced around. I was right. Ha. I am sure you have done well. I can tell you are smart. I was giving you grief because you keep trying to hold coaches to very high standards, which are not realistic, so I pointed out that you hadn't been able to reach those standards in your work life. And, I do know a bit about you, based on prior hints on the board and what some people told me. Guessing who you were. Now, get your life in order and start properly supporting the Griz and the coaches.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Resume alert:

I will say this: I had a 27-year military career (I bounced around a lot, but not by choice :lol: ), enlisting as an E-2. Set a goal (PR) to become an officer and was selected for an enlisted commissioning program in 1985 and finished my military career as an O-4E (goal accomplished). I’ve followed that up with a 28 year banking career in which I’ve had six jobs. Each with increasing responsibility, or at bigger companies, and each with better pay. Not sure how the attorney world works, but in banking (and most other businesses) if you want a step increase in pay or responsibility, you typically have to look outside your current employer. There’s no harm in that, but PR makes it seem like there is.

Was a CFO of a small institution for 5 years, then at a larger financial institution for 9 years. Set a goal (that was for you, PR) to be a CEO of a financial institution before I was 50. At 47 I was selected to be CEO of a smaller financial institution and found out on day FOUR that the prior CEO had been stealing from the company and it was not viable in the long term. Ended up merging that financial institution into another and got ANOTHER CEO position at a financial institution 200 miles away from my family. Did that for TWO years (driving back and forth on weekends) until we all got tired of it, then was selected for my current position as CFO of a $13 BILLION institution. So, 5 jobs in 26 years, one of which was not by choice. If that’s considered “bouncing around”, and if being CEO of two different organizations and CFO of a $13 Billion institution (top 15 in the country) isn’t considered achieving goals, well I guess I’ll just have to reevaluate my lot in life.

On the back porch. Overlooking the water. At my lakehouse.

Maybe I’ll take a spin in my Griz-colored ‘69 GTO convertible to ease the pain of the myriad horrible decisions I’ve made in life. Or I could get into my ‘79 Freewheeling Bronco and take a spin around the Ford Off-Rodeo facility that’s 9 miles down the road. From my lake house.

I don’t know…I’ve never contemplated this issue before. If anyone has any thoughts I’d be happy to hear them. Before this morning I didn’t realize I was a failure in life. :lol:

Stop bragging. Ha. See, I said you bounced around. I was right. Ha. I am sure you have done well. I can tell you are smart. I was giving you grief because you keep trying to hold coaches to very high standards, which are not realistic, so I pointed out that you hadn't been able to reach those standards in your work life. And, I do know a bit about you, based on prior hints on the board and what some people told me. Guessing who you were. Now, get your life in order and start properly supporting the Griz and the coaches.

Aye aye, captain!

 

[Bok_Choi]

Does the dammed spell check change dominant to dominate on your guys devices? Asking for a friend.

 

[uofmman1122]

Does the dammed spell check change dominant to dominate on your guys devices? Asking for a friend.

We haven't been dominant in so long, it doesn't pass the dirty word filter on eGriz now.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Does the dammed spell check change dominant to dominate on your guys devices? Asking for a friend.

:lol: :lol:

 

[Paytonlives]

How about winning the conference? How about beating the neighbors? How about winning the National Championship?

Good grief...IT IS NOT WORKING.

How much more does this staff need the FCS to water down before they meet some basic expectations?

Griz used to be feared....that is simply gone. Long gong....

So you think thats easy?

Like I said there are some fans that just don't get it,

Big Sky Conference is toughest FCS in the nation
Are 1-1 in the last two with kittens (After covid)
Only 4 teams have won a NC in the last 12 years. SD State, Sam Houston, James Madison and NDSU (9 Times)

Your goals are all within reach for UM


if UM sucks so bad why not look for another team to follow? or better yet give us a list with teams that meet your "basic expectations" every year.
Win Conference
Beat rival
and win National Championship

Ill give you NDSU

Now add to the list

Still waiting... Who else is at your "basic expectations:" level
NDSU and who else?

 

[cclarkblues]

Does the dammed spell check change dominant to dominate on your guys devices? Asking for a friend.

:lol: :lol:

What do you call it when the spell check makes you it's bitch?

 

[mthoopsfan]

So you think thats easy?

Like I said there are some fans that just don't get it,

Big Sky Conference is toughest FCS in the nation
Are 1-1 in the last two with kittens (After covid)
Only 4 teams have won a NC in the last 12 years. SD State, Sam Houston, James Madison and NDSU (9 Times)

Your goals are all within reach for UM


if UM sucks so bad why not look for another team to follow? or better yet give us a list with teams that meet your "basic expectations" every year.
Win Conference
Beat rival
and win National Championship

Ill give you NDSU

Now add to the list

Still waiting... Who else is at your "basic expectations:" level
NDSU and who else?

NDSU didn't win the championship this year. They aren't living up to his expectations.

 

[uptopgriz]

Still waiting... Who else is at your "basic expectations:" level
NDSU and who else?

NDSU didn't win the championship this year. They aren't living up to his expectations.

NDSU may not be the best example to use. :roll: Have their team hurt and they still played for the title—

 

[AZGrizFan]

Still waiting... Who else is at your "basic expectations:" level
NDSU and who else?

NDSU didn't win the championship this year. They aren't living up to his expectations.

In the irony of ironies, maybe NDSU losing will bring some of the fans back who’d gotten bored of steamrolling the entire FCS every year. :lol:

 

[mthoopsfan]

NDSU didn't win the championship this year. They aren't living up to his expectations.

NDSU may not be the best example to use. :roll: Have their team hurt and they still played for the title—

So, injuries for NDSU matter, but injuries for UM, including it's terrific qb, don't matter. You are a hypocrite, as well as liar.

 

[kemajic]

Does the dammed spell check change dominant to dominate on your guys devices? Asking for a friend.

:lol: :lol:

A lot of confusion here as well with lose vs. loose. Any second grader knows the difference.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

:lol: :lol:

A lot of confusion here as well with lose vs. loose. Any second grader knows the difference.

Walter Peyton, Payton Manning, etc.
Just gotta deal with it. Don’t loose you’re cool.

 

[uptopgriz]

NDSU may not be the best example to use. :roll: Have their team hurt and they still played for the title—

So, injuries for NDSU matter, but injuries for UM, including it's terrific qb, don't matter. You are a hypocrite, as well as liar.

Did UM play for the national title?

 

[uofmman1122]

I think it's fair to say either injuries matter or they don't.

If they're nothing but excuses for us, then they're nothing but excuses for everybody.