Fortpeckgriz
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CV Griz Fan said:m616s6w said:Am I reading this incorrectly?
The front page phot in his morning's (Saturday) Missoulian shows Jordon Johnson's lawyer (David Paoli) holding up a large photo (about 18' X 24") of a train engine. I assume that his point is that once "she" invited Jordon to her bedroom, "the train had left the station" or "she she started the engine" so this was all her fault.
Paoli was using the back of the photo to take notes - that way he could hold the photo up for extended period of time. In respones, the prosecution lawyers asked jurors if they agreed with the statement: "If a woman starts the engine, she's kind of stuck with the consequences."
If I misread this, ok.
But, if his defense is that "she had it coming" I find that to be absurd and demeaning. Every juror would have been think that anyway, but to blatantly shove that in their faces during jury selection seems to me to be a crude Neanderthal defense. I have been one who thought Jordon was being wronged in this prosecution, but if his lawyers crudely argue that she had it coming, I am concerned for the outcome.
Do any of you lawyer types have a different take on this trial strategy?
By the way, the jury selection continues on Monday with the 400 potential jurors being reduced to 170 at this time.
Unfortunately, the train probably "left the station" in the days before the "alleged incident" when the accuser let it be known to both JJ and her friends "how bad she wanted him". Those statements by the accuser have been in the press stories. That fact doesn't make JJ's actions forgivable but it does complicate things IMO.
Well this brings up another big problem. Those statements are hearsay and not admissible except for a few instances. Hearsay is a statement, other than one made by the declarant while testifying at trail, offered into evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted. So if you put one of those friends on the stand, who allegedly heard the victim say that, it is classic hearsay and not admissible. That statement would be offered to prove consent, which is the matter asserted. You can't get on the stand and say "X told me this." You have to put X on the stand themselves.
There are exceptions, like if the statement was an excited utterance (Oh my god, you just hit X with a car), dying declaration (I'm about to die, and X shot me), admission by a party opponent (I'm so sorry for running you over). Then you can put the hearsay declarant on the stand and the statement comes in.
One way to get around it is to say that the statement is offered just to show the effect on the hearer "X told me this, and it made me think _____." This is non hearsay because it is not being offered to prove that the statement is true, just what it did to the hearer's mind. Do you see the problem with this? You could try to get the statement in, but it would not go towards the weight of evidence at issue.
There are further ways to get these statements in but it is a much longer and complicated post. As a general rule, just know "he said/she said" is not admissible.