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Paoli's train defense

Mods: Can we get this thread and the "Opps" thread joined?

There is only one thing more devious than a Philadelphia lawyer, and that's a Bozeman lawyer.

Paul Biegler
 
Ursa Major said:
Mods: Can we get this thread and the "Opps" thread joined?

There is only one thing more devious than a Philadelphia lawyer, and that's a Bozeman lawyer.

Paul Biegler

Isn't that now Baul Piegler ? :lol: :thumb:
 
msuhunter said:
granitegriz said:
Attorney msuhunter...now that would bring in the clients. Imagine him defending every DUI in Bozeman? :shock: He would be citing the civil rules of procedure in JJ's rape case.
Nah, defending DUIs in Bozeman isn't a good way to make a living.

It seems like defending rape cases of UM football players in Missoula is a much more lucrative enterprise ... :coffee:


Wrong in the first inning.

A total DB in the 4th

cat fan in the 6th.

Damn, musH is a single away from hitting for the Board cycle....
 
Hey man, people make mistakes, just like you, just like me. Like last week for example, you said "leaks from before the trial" revealed that JJ would be innocent. I held you to the fire, and leaks turned into "bloviations from Dave Paoli." See, we all make mistakes, even the esteemed EverettGriz.
 
Jerry Punch said:
Hey man, people make mistakes, just like you, just like me. Like last week for example, you said "leaks from before the trial" revealed that JJ would be innocent. I held you to the fire, and leaks turned into "bloviations from Dave Paoli." See, we all make mistakes, even the esteemed EverettGriz.
Don't forget your latest: the "Chewbacca Defense". That was a good one :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Jerry Punch said:
Hey man, people make mistakes, just like you, just like me. Like last week for example, you said "leaks from before the trial" revealed that JJ would be innocent. I held you to the fire, and leaks turned into "bloviations from Dave Paoli." See, we all make mistakes, even the esteemed EverettGriz.


Odd that the pure "boviations" I discussed recently appeared predominantly in a NYT article concerning the challenge the prosecution faces.

But as always, there is absolutely no need to allow facts to stand in the way of you being a DB Troll.

Keep on Trollin'!! :thumb:
 
EverettGriz said:
Jerry Punch said:
Hey man, people make mistakes, just like you, just like me. Like last week for example, you said "leaks from before the trial" revealed that JJ would be innocent. I held you to the fire, and leaks turned into "bloviations from Dave Paoli." See, we all make mistakes, even the esteemed EverettGriz.


Odd that the pure "boviations" I discussed recently appeared predominantly in a NYT article concerning the challenge the prosecution faces.

But as always, there is absolutely no need to allow facts to stand in the way of you being a DB Troll.

Keep on Trollin'!! :thumb:


"Challenges the prosecution face" is a significant turn in direction, even for you Everett. First, it was "the leaks I heard before the trial" then, it became "challenges the prosectution faces?"

Wow, even for you I am surprised that you still are holding on to "facts" that are merely the opinion of one man. That man happens to be defending the star quarterback of the University of Montana. Now, if those "facts" that you "heard" will become "challenges the prosecution faces," I will be highly surprised. Dave Paoli's ranting and raving (aka bloviations) to people in Missoula do not constitute facts. They are his opinion. Dave Paoli on the Law is not a textbook, but according to you, maybe it should be.

So, as long as you're citing the New York Times again, let's pick and choose what parts of the article to pay attention to and which to ignore. Here's one: "Dave Paoli said the sex was consensual. He did not return a call seeking comment."

That's Paoli's perspective. The jury will decide which facts have more weight than others.

Here's another quote: "The woman said Johnson raped her." That's the alleged victim's perspective.

So, what part of the New York Times article talks about "challenges the prosectution will face"? I didn't see one. But again, don't let the facts (or the lack thereof) get in the way of your opinion.
 
The prosecution will face significant challenges on the issue of consent. The state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Johnson "knowingly" had sexual intercourse "without consent." Acknowledging the difficulty of the case and its importance to the Missoula community as the three investigations into sexual assault issues continue, Missoula County Attorney Fred Van Valkenburg (whose son writes for ESPN.com) has assigned three lawyers to the trial.

Among the problems the prosecutors will face on the consent issue will be statements that the woman made in the days after the incident. In addition to telling her friend the next morning that she thought she had been raped, she told the friend that she didn't want to report the rape because she "felt responsible."

In another statement, she suggested that "this whole situation is my fault because I feel like I gave Jordan mixed signals which caused him to act in the way he did."

Before she made her decision to accuse Johnson, she also said: "Maybe it was the clothes I was wearing that day, us making out, or me taking off my shirt that made Jordan think that I wanted to have sex."

In addition to what promises to be fierce cross-examination from Johnson's attorneys on these statements, she also said in a written statement, "Anything I did that night could have given Jordan the idea that I wanted to have sex, but in no verbal way did I tell him that I wanted to. Granted, I probably would have had sex with him in a consensual way in the future, but I did not want to have sex that night."

Even as she considered the filing of a rape charge, she told yet another friend, in a text: "I don't think he did anything wrong to be honest." And she said she knew that her accusation "will hit him like a ton of bricks."
 
Sorry. It was from ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8921202/university-montana-qb-rape-trial-begins-amid-larger-sex-assault-scandal-plaguing-missoula" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
EverettGriz said:
Sorry. It was from ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8921202/university-montana-qb-rape-trial-begins-amid-larger-sex-assault-scandal-plaguing-missoula" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks. That article was pretty balanced, in my opinion. I was thinking there was a NYT article out there that nobody had read yet.

My mistake for not catching yours. I didn't know you were referring to the ESPN story.
 
EverettGriz said:
The prosecution will face significant challenges on the issue of consent. The state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Johnson "knowingly" had sexual intercourse "without consent." Acknowledging the difficulty of the case and its importance to the Missoula community as the three investigations into sexual assault issues continue, Missoula County Attorney Fred Van Valkenburg (whose son writes for ESPN.com) has assigned three lawyers to the trial.

Among the problems the prosecutors will face on the consent issue will be statements that the woman made in the days after the incident. In addition to telling her friend the next morning that she thought she had been raped, she told the friend that she didn't want to report the rape because she "felt responsible."

In another statement, she suggested that "this whole situation is my fault because I feel like I gave Jordan mixed signals which caused him to act in the way he did."

Before she made her decision to accuse Johnson, she also said: "Maybe it was the clothes I was wearing that day, us making out, or me taking off my shirt that made Jordan think that I wanted to have sex."

In addition to what promises to be fierce cross-examination from Johnson's attorneys on these statements, she also said in a written statement, "Anything I did that night could have given Jordan the idea that I wanted to have sex, but in no verbal way did I tell him that I wanted to. Granted, I probably would have had sex with him in a consensual way in the future, but I did not want to have sex that night."

Even as she considered the filing of a rape charge, she told yet another friend, in a text: "I don't think he did anything wrong to be honest." And she said she knew that her accusation "will hit him like a ton of bricks."
I discussed these facts in some detail last August, on another thread, and nothing have read or heard since then changes my view of this case.

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57961&start=100#p778560" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57961&start=225#p778880" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
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