Matt Nicholson leaving

[Jesse]

Wow you really are a total asshole :roll:

And you're a dumb shit. You contribute nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Dumb shit arguments with absolutely no substance other than a regurgitated talking head dumb shit commentary. You can't think for yourself. You attack a Dartmouth AND Stanford educated individual continuously. Probably went to Western at best. I'd say that makes you a dumb shit. Besides, the asshole controls the entire body, dumb shit. Look it up.

You are in love with him aren’t you, unrequited love sucks doesn’t it? Lol Don’t be shy the world has evolved since the 60’s, man crushes or ok now, you can finally open the closet door slipper boy or at least have another drink or four before your next incoherent rant. What’s wrong with the university of Montana western? It has the only western horsemanship degree in the entire country. Go back to state Ag where you claim to have graduated and stay there. Canada Rocks.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

And you're a dumb shit. You contribute nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Dumb shit arguments with absolutely no substance other than a regurgitated talking head dumb shit commentary. You can't think for yourself. You attack a Dartmouth AND Stanford educated individual continuously. Probably went to Western at best. I'd say that makes you a dumb shit. Besides, the asshole controls the entire body, dumb shit. Look it up.

You are in love with him aren’t you, unrequited love sucks doesn’t it? Lol Don’t be shy the world has evolved since the 60’s, man crushes or ok now, you can finally open the closet door slipper boy or at least have another drink or four before your next incoherent rant. What’s wrong with the university of Montana western? It has the only western horsemanship degree in the entire country. Go back to state Ag where you claim to have graduated and stay there. Canada Rocks.

For a country full of canadian? Even that shithole california has more "people" than all of canuckland. You're not much of an historian. With friends like them, who needs enemies? Every case of mad cow disease was a fucking candian downer that made its way into AMERICA'S food supply, every operative from Sept 11, 2001 got into AMERICA via canuckland and if you knew anything, you'd know about Gander. Fuck the canucks. Don't want them on my flanks, the rear and probably wouldn't want them on point...but you really have no idea what that vocabulary means, do you? Dumb shit. Probably run from a drill sergeant...to canada...

 

[PlayerRep]

Middle School Boy,

You never played the game and don't understand. Almost everything you say is stupid.

Sorry, but I don't expect every team I root for to win the national championship. It's not possible; it's not realistic. That's not what sport is all about.

And I certainly don't think they are losers, or a loser team, as you have called them.

Hauck was an outstanding coach in his first stint, and I believe he's better now.

You can keep blowing your hot air, and showing you don't understand the game.

I do understand the game having coached and played it.

Think what you want. Bobby’s 0-3 on the main stage. There is really no excuse for the 2009 team not being able to get it done.

Middle School Boy,

Playing and coaching Little Griz or its equivalent is not what I'm talking about.

 

[Jesse]

You are in love with him aren’t you, unrequited love sucks doesn’t it? Lol Don’t be shy the world has evolved since the 60’s, man crushes or ok now, you can finally open the closet door slipper boy or at least have another drink or four before your next incoherent rant. What’s wrong with the university of Montana western? It has the only western horsemanship degree in the entire country. Go back to state Ag where you claim to have graduated and stay there. Canada Rocks.

For a country full of canadian? Even that shithole california has more "people" than all of canuckland. You're not much of an historian. With friends like them, who needs enemies? Every case of mad cow disease was a f###[#] candian downer that made its way into AMERICA'S food supply, every operative from Sept 11, 2001 got into AMERICA via canuckland and if you knew anything, you'd know about Gander. [#]f### the canucks. Don't want them on my flanks, the rear and probably wouldn't want them on point...but you really have no idea what that vocabulary means, do you? Dumb shit. Probably run from a drill sergeant...to canada...

Keep drinking goober Pyle, until you pass out. Smh

 

[PlayerRep]

Middle School Boy,

You never played the game and don't understand. Almost everything you say is stupid.

Sorry, but I don't expect every team I root for to win the national championship. It's not possible; it's not realistic. That's not what sport is all about.

And I certainly don't think they are losers, or a loser team, as you have called them.

Hauck was an outstanding coach in his first stint, and I believe he's better now.

You can keep blowing your hot air, and showing you don't understand the game.

Your arguments are cute and fun and you are probably right that BisonAlum...whateve,r is a loser for trolling a rival's website. At the end of the day he's right, the NDSU Bison are the most dominant program in our division and it's not close. Coach Hauck hasn't ever won the Chipper, fact, regardless of circumstance. Not saying he won't put Coach Read in the rear view, just saying right now he's O-3. NDSU's last three head coaches have all won won rings that Coach Hauck.

You are a man on here I respect, but when you argue against facts, it doesn't come off well. And no, I never played the game.

Are you paying attention? I said nothing about NDSU. I said I liked Wentz.

He said Ill St was a better program than UM. He said Hauck wasn't a good coach because he hadn't won a national championship, even though virtually no coach has ever done what Hauck did in his prior stint at UM. He said teams that doh't win a national championship are losers. He said the Griz only advanced deep into the playoffs so many times because the Big Sky was weak. Virtually nothing he has said is accurate.

 

[PlayerRep]

Your arguments are cute and fun and you are probably right that BisonAlum...whateve,r is a loser for trolling a rival's website. At the end of the day he's right, the NDSU Bison are the most dominant program in our division and it's not close. Coach Hauck hasn't ever won the Chipper, fact, regardless of circumstance. Not saying he won't put Coach Read in the rear view, just saying right now he's O-3. NDSU's last three head coaches have all won won rings that Coach Hauck.

You are a man on here I respect, but when you argue against facts, it doesn't come off well. And no, I never played the game.

I agree with my Canadian brother, quit trying to argue the un-winnable it makes you look silly and illogical. And yeah Marv and Jim Kelly clearly set the bar for never winning the big one. They are both in the hall but that’s not the point, they will forever be remembered for being a dominant team but lost 4 straight Super Bowls end of story.

What do you think I've argued that is unwinnable?

Only people who don't understand the game will remember Levy and Kelly as you say. Being inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame shows what knowledgeable people and their peers think.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Your arguments are cute and fun and you are probably right that BisonAlum...whateve,r is a loser for trolling a rival's website. At the end of the day he's right, the NDSU Bison are the most dominant program in our division and it's not close. Coach Hauck hasn't ever won the Chipper, fact, regardless of circumstance. Not saying he won't put Coach Read in the rear view, just saying right now he's O-3. NDSU's last three head coaches have all won won rings that Coach Hauck.

You are a man on here I respect, but when you argue against facts, it doesn't come off well. And no, I never played the game.

Are you paying attention? I said nothing about NDSU. I said I liked Wentz.

He said Ill St was a better program than UM. He said Hauck wasn't a good coach because he hadn't won a national championship, even though virtually no coach has ever done what Hauck did in his prior stint at UM. He said teams that doh't win a national championship are losers. He said the Griz only advanced deep into the playoffs so many times because the Big Sky was weak. Virtually nothing he has said is accurate.

I said that as it stands right now, Illinois State is the better program and over the last decade has been more successful. How is that an inaccurate statement?

I never said teams who didn’t win championships as being “losers”.

I said that Bobby Hauck is overrated as a coach and his performance on the main stage proves it.

You said the Big Sky was a top conference when he was there which was bullshit. Again. 7 years. No single Big Sky program, other than Montana, even made a national championship game appearance.


At this point you are clearly wrong.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

For a country full of canadian? Even that shithole california has more "people" than all of canuckland. You're not much of an historian. With friends like them, who needs enemies? Every case of mad cow disease was a f###[#] candian downer that made its way into AMERICA'S food supply, every operative from Sept 11, 2001 got into AMERICA via canuckland and if you knew anything, you'd know about Gander. [#]f### the canucks. Don't want them on my flanks, the rear and probably wouldn't want them on point...but you really have no idea what that vocabulary means, do you? Dumb shit. Probably run from a drill sergeant...to canada...

Keep drinking goober Pyle, until you pass out. Smh

Keep shaking, dumb shit. We hear all the rocks rattling around that big, empty void mass of air on your scrawny chicken shit shoulders. Dumb shit. Suck up to another candy ass canuck. Dumb shit. Your picture is in the dictionary. Right by the phrase "pile of shit." Freud has an appropriate term for dumb shits like you. Something about envy...look it up dumb shit.

 

[kemajic]

I said that as it stands right now, Illinois State is the better program and over the last decade has been more successful. How is that an inaccurate statement?

You've purposely picked the period which makes Montana look its worst, yet even in that period, Montana was 79-44; Illinois St. was 78-45, at best a wash. But you claim Illinois St. has been "more successful" over and over. So successful, they should be able to draw if they are the "better program." Your claims are not backed up by the facts.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

I said that as it stands right now, Illinois State is the better program and over the last decade has been more successful. How is that an inaccurate statement?

You've purposely picked the period which makes Montana look its worst, yet even in that period, Montana was 79-44; Illinois St. was 78-45, at best a wash. But you claim Illinois St. has been "more successful" over and over. So successful, they should be able to draw if they are the "better program." Your claims are not backed up by the facts.

No

I purposely picked the last decade because it coincided with Hauck leaving. It also approximately coincided with Brock Spack’s tenure as I believe he started as head coach around the time Hauck left.

Since the time period in which Hauck left, which program has won more conference championships? Which program has made a national championship game appearance? Which program has spent more weeks ranked in the top 10? Which program has more playoff wins? Which program had 3 wins over FBS teams, including a P5 program win? Which program has sent more players to the NFL? Which program has currently has more players in the NFL?

FYI, Illinois State is the answer to all of those questions.

They have consistently performed better than Montana at a much higher level since Hauck left and have been the better program. They have also done so while playing in the toughest conference in the FCS over that time period. There really isn’t a debate. Wins and losses are the same and inflated for Montana due to playing in the Big Fluffy. Everything else outlined above clearly points to Illinois State being a better program at this time.

Again, Illinois State is a state flagship university with a growing enrollment and momentum as a football program. To say Montana is a better situation just isn’t accurate. You are living in the past.

Guy got a nice pay raise to go to a top 10 FCS program, playing in the best conference in the FCS, and gets to work under a head coach who is widely regarded as one of the best head coaches in the FCS.

 

[kemajic]

You've purposely picked the period which makes Montana look its worst, yet even in that period, Montana was 79-44; Illinois St. was 78-45, at best a wash. But you claim Illinois St. has been "more successful" over and over. So successful, they should be able to draw if they are the "better program." Your claims are not backed up by the facts.

No

I purposely picked the last decade because it coincided with Hauck leaving. It also approximately coincided with Brock Spack’s tenure as I believe he started as head coach around the time Hauck left.

Since the time period in which Hauck left, which program has won more conference championships? Which program has made a national championship game appearance? Which program has spent more weeks ranked in the top 10? Which program has more playoff wins? Which program had 3 wins over FBS teams, including a P5 program win? Which program has sent more players to the NFL? Which program has currently has more players in the NFL?

FYI, Illinois State is the answer to all of those questions.

They have consistently performed better than Montana at a much higher level since Hauck left and have been the better program. They have also done so while playing in the toughest conference in the FCS over that time period. There really isn’t a debate. Wins and losses are the same and inflated for Montana due to playing in the Big Fluffy. Everything else outlined above clearly points to Illinois State being a better program at this time.

Again, Illinois State is a state flagship university with a growing enrollment and momentum as a football program. To say Montana is a better situation just isn’t accurate. You are living in the past.

Guy got a nice pay raise to go to a top 10 FCS program, playing in the best conference in the FCS, and gets to work under a head coach who is widely regarded as one of the best head coaches in the FCS.

For such a superior conference, it's pretty strange they have so much trouble beating a declining Montana head on head, but deflect again and spin.

 

[garizzalies]

I do understand the game having coached and played it.

Could you please expand on this? When did you play/coach? Where?

 

[PlayerRep]

Are you paying attention? I said nothing about NDSU. I said I liked Wentz.

He said Ill St was a better program than UM. He said Hauck wasn't a good coach because he hadn't won a national championship, even though virtually no coach has ever done what Hauck did in his prior stint at UM. He said teams that doh't win a national championship are losers. He said the Griz only advanced deep into the playoffs so many times because the Big Sky was weak. Virtually nothing he has said is accurate.

I said that as it stands right now, Illinois State is the better program and over the last decade has been more successful. How is that an inaccurate statement?

[Ill St is not the better program. It isn't even close. I can't imagine that anyone would agree with you. Shall we compare athletic and football budgets? Isn't that a big part of the quality of a program?. How about football ticket revenue? How much does Ill St get pad for play-up games?]

I didn't research success, but it looks like success has been similar for both programs. See Kem's stats. And, over the past 15 years, UM has been much more successful.]

I never said teams who didn’t win championships as being “losers”.

[You said this, among other things: "one of those teams who couldn’t get it done?" I'd be happy to introduce you to some of the Griz on those teams, like JD Quinn, and watch you diss these teams You also said that not expecting a national championship is a "loser mentality". That's essentially calling those runner up teams losers, in. my view.]

I said that Bobby Hauck is overrated as a coach and his performance on the main stage proves it.

[You said this, among other things: "I’m not saying Bobby Hauck isn’t a decent coach." No one in the know would describe Hauck as at least a very good coach. A coach and is judged on much more than wining national chamnpiuoinships. The vast majority of coaches don't even get to the that game.]

You said the Big Sky was a top conference when he was there which was bullshit. Again. 7 years. No single Big Sky program, other than Montana, even made a national championship game appearance.

[The Big Sky was one of the top conferences in Hauck's year. I proved it with info from a top rating service. It can be proven multiple ways. An important criteria for a top conference is not having multiple teams go to a national championship game. UM went 3 years; another Big Sky team isn't likely to go in the same year.]

At this point you are clearly wrong.

[You are the one who is clearly wrong. You are not correct of any of the basic issues you mention. You don't understand football. You never played the game. It shows in your posts.]

Middle School Boy:

See my embedded comments above.

 

[PlayerRep]

I see that CSU paid Ill St $375,000 in 2019 (when Ill St beat 4-8 CSU).

What are some of the guarantees paid to UM in recent years?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

I said that as it stands right now, Illinois State is the better program and over the last decade has been more successful. How is that an inaccurate statement?

[Ill St is not the better program. It isn't even close. I can't imagine that anyone would agree with you. Shall we compare athletic and football budgets? Isn't that a big part of the quality of a program?. How about football ticket revenue? How much does Ill St get pad for play-up games?]

I didn't research success, but it looks like success has been similar for both programs. See Kem's stats. And, over the past 15 years, UM has been much more successful.]

I never said teams who didn’t win championships as being “losers”.

[You said this, among other things: "one of those teams who couldn’t get it done?" I'd be happy to introduce you to some of the Griz on those teams, like JD Quinn, and watch you diss these teams You also said that not expecting a national championship is a "loser mentality". That's essentially calling those runner up teams losers, in. my view.]

I said that Bobby Hauck is overrated as a coach and his performance on the main stage proves it.

[You said this, among other things: "I’m not saying Bobby Hauck isn’t a decent coach." No one in the know would describe Hauck as at least a very good coach. A coach and is judged on much more than wining national chamnpiuoinships. The vast majority of coaches don't even get to the that game.]

You said the Big Sky was a top conference when he was there which was bullshit. Again. 7 years. No single Big Sky program, other than Montana, even made a national championship game appearance.

[The Big Sky was one of the top conferences in Hauck's year. I proved it with info from a top rating service. It can be proven multiple ways. An important criteria for a top conference is not having multiple teams go to a national championship game. UM went 3 years; another Big Sky team isn't likely to go in the same year.]

At this point you are clearly wrong.

[You are the one who is clearly wrong. You are not correct of any of the basic issues you mention. You don't understand football. You never played the game. It shows in your posts.]

Middle School Boy:

See my embedded comments above.

You are wrong Mr. Lawyer.

Sorry but you haven’t produced any facts.

During Bobby’s first tenure, Montana was 0-3 in the national championship game. No other Big Sky programs made a semi final appearance. Only three playoff games were won by programs other than Montana.

Powerhouse I tell you.

Pretty clear that the Big Sky was the third or fourth best conference in the FCS during those years.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

You've purposely picked the period which makes Montana look its worst, yet even in that period, Montana was 79-44; Illinois St. was 78-45, at best a wash. But you claim Illinois St. has been "more successful" over and over. So successful, they should be able to draw if they are the "better program." Your claims are not backed up by the facts.

No

I purposely picked the last decade because it coincided with Hauck leaving. It also approximately coincided with Brock Spack’s tenure as I believe he started as head coach around the time Hauck left.

Since the time period in which Hauck left, which program has won more conference championships? Which program has made a national championship game appearance? Which program has spent more weeks ranked in the top 10? Which program has more playoff wins? Which program had 3 wins over FBS teams, including a P5 program win? Which program has sent more players to the NFL? Which program has currently has more players in the NFL?

FYI, Illinois State is the answer to all of those questions.

They have consistently performed better than Montana at a much higher level since Hauck left and have been the better program. They have also done so while playing in the toughest conference in the FCS over that time period. There really isn’t a debate. Wins and losses are the same and inflated for Montana due to playing in the Big Fluffy. Everything else outlined above clearly points to Illinois State being a better program at this time.

Again, Illinois State is a state flagship university with a growing enrollment and momentum as a football program. To say Montana is a better situation just isn’t accurate. You are living in the past.

Guy got a nice pay raise to go to a top 10 FCS program, playing in the best conference in the FCS, and gets to work under a head coach who is widely regarded as one of the best head coaches in the FCS.

I thought you said Hauck is overrated. But then I read this missive all about how Illinois State is so much better than UM since Hauck left UM. I’m not a smart man, but I am confused by this narrative.

 

[garizzalies]

I do understand the game having coached and played it.

Could you please expand on this? When did you play/coach? Where?

Did Cheeks ever answer this? Maybe I missed it?
Or maybe he is purposely avoiding it?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

No

I purposely picked the last decade because it coincided with Hauck leaving. It also approximately coincided with Brock Spack’s tenure as I believe he started as head coach around the time Hauck left.

Since the time period in which Hauck left, which program has won more conference championships? Which program has made a national championship game appearance? Which program has spent more weeks ranked in the top 10? Which program has more playoff wins? Which program had 3 wins over FBS teams, including a P5 program win? Which program has sent more players to the NFL? Which program has currently has more players in the NFL?

FYI, Illinois State is the answer to all of those questions.

They have consistently performed better than Montana at a much higher level since Hauck left and have been the better program. They have also done so while playing in the toughest conference in the FCS over that time period. There really isn’t a debate. Wins and losses are the same and inflated for Montana due to playing in the Big Fluffy. Everything else outlined above clearly points to Illinois State being a better program at this time.

Again, Illinois State is a state flagship university with a growing enrollment and momentum as a football program. To say Montana is a better situation just isn’t accurate. You are living in the past.

Guy got a nice pay raise to go to a top 10 FCS program, playing in the best conference in the FCS, and gets to work under a head coach who is widely regarded as one of the best head coaches in the FCS.

I thought you said Hauck is overrated. But then I read this missive all about how Illinois State is so much better than UM since Hauck left UM. I’m not a smart man, but I am confused by this narrative.

Both. Hauck is overrated. Currently, Illinois State has a better football program.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I thought you said Hauck is overrated. But then I read this missive all about how Illinois State is so much better than UM since Hauck left UM. I’m not a smart man, but I am confused by this narrative.

Both. Hauck is overrated. Currently, Illinois State has a better football program.

Ahhh. I got it, now. Thx.

 

[PlayerRep]

Middle School Boy:

See my embedded comments above.

You are wrong Mr. Lawyer.

Sorry but you haven’t produced any facts.

During Bobby’s first tenure, Montana was 0-3 in the national championship game. No other Big Sky programs made a semi final appearance. Only three playoff games were won by programs other than Montana.

Powerhouse I tell you.

Pretty clear that the Big Sky was the third or fourth best conference in the FCS during those years.

Middle School Boy:

There is much more to coaching than winning 3 national championships. Not one AD in America would agree with you on that.

I produced lots of facts. You produced one.

Winning games, conference and playoff games. Advancing in the playoffs. Recruiting. Evaluation by the AD.

Hauck was asked to come back to coach San Diego St and over a long-term contract in the 7 figures per year. A school like SDS does not hire overrated coaches.

Big Sky was no. 1 or no. 2 in some of those years. Look at the rating services.

Ill St has low low attendance, little game-day at atmosphere, low football budget, doesn't comment much from FBS schools (about half of what UM does), isn't listed in most of the rankings of top programs, is in a weak city, doesn't have a top performance center, has little to no tradition, etc.

Those things are part of top programs.