Matt Nicholson leaving

[PlayerRep]

People in your list of 5 often don't make decisions in their best interests. For lawyers, it would be unethical to do that.

Whoa. Really?! Lawyers don't leave firms for better opportunities? Or start their own firms for better opportunities? Or change locations to practice law somewhere else with more opportunities? That doesn't seem right to me in my experience. At least not for the lawyers I know. But I suppose I'll have to take your word for it. :?

Sure, sometimes they do, but they can't make all of their decisions based on their best interests. They can't even leave their firm if it would cause harm to a client in an ongoing matter. They also can't contact their existing clients and invite them to come with them, before they have resigned from their law firm.

Don't know what any of this has to do with a discussion about a top player leaving his team to go to another team. Of course, the player can do that. But, is it right, okay, being a team player, etc. Wasn't that the discussion.

What did Griz fans think when Gregorak left UM for MSU? Did they wish him luck and say great for doing what's best for you?

 

[ilovethecats]

Whoa. Really?! Lawyers don't leave firms for better opportunities? Or start their own firms for better opportunities? Or change locations to practice law somewhere else with more opportunities? That doesn't seem right to me in my experience. At least not for the lawyers I know. But I suppose I'll have to take your word for it. :?

Sure, sometimes they do, but they can't make all of their decisions based on their best interests. They can't even leave their firm if it would cause harm to a client in an ongoing matter. They also can't contact their existing clients and invite them to come with them, before they have resigned from their law firm.

Don't know what any of this has to do with a discussion about a top player leaving his team to go to another team. Of course, the player can do that. But, is it right, okay, being a team player, etc. Wasn't that the discussion.

What did Griz fans think when Gregorak left UM for MSU? Did they wish him luck and say great for doing what's best for you?

Some did. I believe you did. And the ones that were bitter I thought were acting like idiots.

Obviously all situations aren’t the same. Some kids can definitely be awful teammates and leave programs on bad terms. Some can be great teammates and team players and choose to move on because they think there may be better opportunities.

All I know is a kid like Troy Andersen could leave MSU tomorrow and it wouldn’t change how I think about him. He’s still I high character guy and a phenomenal teammate. Then as a fan I just sit back and wait for new bobcats and hope they’re very successful. Kids come and go from programs all the time. Doesn’t mean they’re selfish. That was my only point.

 

[PlayerRep]

Sure, sometimes they do, but they can't make all of their decisions based on their best interests. They can't even leave their firm if it would cause harm to a client in an ongoing matter. They also can't contact their existing clients and invite them to come with them, before they have resigned from their law firm.

Don't know what any of this has to do with a discussion about a top player leaving his team to go to another team. Of course, the player can do that. But, is it right, okay, being a team player, etc. Wasn't that the discussion.

What did Griz fans think when Gregorak left UM for MSU? Did they wish him luck and say great for doing what's best for you?

Some did. I believe you did. And the ones that were bitter I thought were acting like idiots.

Obviously all situations aren’t the same. Some kids can definitely be awful teammates and leave programs on bad terms. Some can be great teammates and team players and choose to move on because they think there may be better opportunities.

All I know is a kid like Troy Andersen could leave MSU tomorrow and it wouldn’t change how I think about him. He’s still I high character guy and a phenomenal teammate. Then as a fan I just sit back and wait for new bobcats and hope they’re very successful. Kids come and go from programs all the time. Doesn’t mean they’re selfish. That was my only point.

I'm not talking about players coming and going from teams. I'm talking about one in Touri's position. That might apply to Anderson too, if he left right before a season. Kids leaving for playing time, or because they don't like the new coach, or moving up from NAIA and D-II or D-III, especially when a new coach has come, is different, in my view. Kids leaving for a job or internship is different too. They are not going to another team or to a competitor.

And I'm not criticizing Touri or saying he can't/shouldn't leave. I'm just questioning whether that is a team player thing to do and/or whether it is a bit selfish. And just wanting to have a discussion on the subject. It's not some big think. I don't know Touri or know anything about him, other than he had a damn good season last year.

And I have zero problem with Nicholson leaving. Completely different situation. Makes sense. I wish him well. He had a nice run at UM.

I'm a bit old school. I once had a senior partner at my firm, one with a huge book of business, say that he'd never walk across the street for 50% more pay. He wanted to stick with his clients, friends, partners, and associates he worked with. That was more important to him than money. Same for me. I could have made many times more money by moving to a firm outside of MT. I would never have left MT. I like practicing big time corporate law in MT.

 

[Jesse]

Some did. I believe you did. And the ones that were bitter I thought were acting like idiots.

Obviously all situations aren’t the same. Some kids can definitely be awful teammates and leave programs on bad terms. Some can be great teammates and team players and choose to move on because they think there may be better opportunities.

All I know is a kid like Troy Andersen could leave MSU tomorrow and it wouldn’t change how I think about him. He’s still I high character guy and a phenomenal teammate. Then as a fan I just sit back and wait for new bobcats and hope they’re very successful. Kids come and go from programs all the time. Doesn’t mean they’re selfish. That was my only point.

I'm not talking about players coming and going from teams. I'm talking about one in Touri's position. That might apply to Anderson too, if he left right before a season. Kids leaving for playing time, or because they don't like the new coach, or moving up from NAIA and D-II or D-III, especially when a new coach has come, is different, in my view. Kids leaving for a job or internship is different too. They are not going to another team or to a competitor.

And I'm not criticizing Touri or saying he can't/shouldn't leave. I'm just questioning whether that is a team player thing to do and/or whether it is a bit selfish. And just wanting to have a discussion on the subject. It's not some big think. I don't know Touri or know anything about him, other than he had a damn good season last year.

And I have zero problem with Nicholson leaving. Completely different situation. Makes sense. I wish him well. He had a nice run at UM.

I'm a bit old school. I once had a senior partner at my firm, one with a huge book of business, say that he'd never walk across the street for 50% more pay. He wanted to stick with his clients, friends, partners, and associates he worked with. That was more important to him than money. Same for me. I could have made many times more money by moving to a firm outside of MT. I would never have left MT. I like practicing big time corporate law in MT.

Curious why you talk about yourself so much on an anonymous football board regarding a school where you never even graduated from, did you not get enough attention as a child? Asking for the board?

Ps. Mods, I am really asking him a serious question, please don’t band me. Lol

 

[HookedonGriz]

Some great insight on Nicholson’s leaving. Makes sense to me. Never want to get too stagnant or comfortable.

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/ex-montana-football-strength-and-conditioning-coach-matt-nicholson-details-move-to-illinois-state/article_7b379e2b-b9d6-5e98-a2e5-6df8cea02928.html?fbclid=IwAR3yre9d6SiKYKmrUZ248Jv1Qlq98_FbJp7oC7kvcBprinmcLbbylmxBWM4

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I don't know Touri or know anything about him, other than he had a damn good season last year.

This is the most important part of the post.

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm not talking about players coming and going from teams. I'm talking about one in Touri's position. That might apply to Anderson too, if he left right before a season. Kids leaving for playing time, or because they don't like the new coach, or moving up from NAIA and D-II or D-III, especially when a new coach has come, is different, in my view. Kids leaving for a job or internship is different too. They are not going to another team or to a competitor.

And I'm not criticizing Touri or saying he can't/shouldn't leave. I'm just questioning whether that is a team player thing to do and/or whether it is a bit selfish. And just wanting to have a discussion on the subject. It's not some big think. I don't know Touri or know anything about him, other than he had a damn good season last year.

And I have zero problem with Nicholson leaving. Completely different situation. Makes sense. I wish him well. He had a nice run at UM.

I'm a bit old school. I once had a senior partner at my firm, one with a huge book of business, say that he'd never walk across the street for 50% more pay. He wanted to stick with his clients, friends, partners, and associates he worked with. That was more important to him than money. Same for me. I could have made many times more money by moving to a firm outside of MT. I would never have left MT. I like practicing big time corporate law in MT.

Curious why you talk about yourself so much on an anonymous football board regarding a school where you never even graduated from, did you not get enough attention as a child? Asking for the board?

Ps. Mods, I am really asking him a serious question, please don’t band me. Lol

I'm just trying to entertain the masses. Based on the number of posts I make, I probably don't talk about myself much. And as you say, who would care on an anonymous message board?

What part of my past post do you take issue with?

You talk about yourself much more. And provide alot of bad info. Nice to see that you are being less inappropriate and less of a jerk. Hopefully, you learned your lesson.

 

[PlayerRep]

Nicholson:

"Q: Now you’re sort of competing against UM to win a national title, but what do you think of Montana’s potential with coach Hauck reviving things?

A: We’re disappointed we didn’t get to play this fall because I think we were going to be really good. It’s just a shame we couldn’t play. Every year I’ve been here, you see it comes down to the mentality of our team, and I really saw that start to change with that group of seniors last year with Dante (Olson) and Jesse (Sims) and Jerry (Louie-McGee). They just wouldn’t take no for an answer, they had to win, they had to find a way. I think the tides are changing. To give coach Stitt some credit, I think those first three years laid a lot of positive groundwork so when coach Hauck came in here he kept taking it to the next level. It was cool for me to see where it went from 2015 to now. There’s no question it’s going in the direction you want it to go."

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

I didn’t say the margin is wide, but Montana State has clearly been the better program over the past decade.

What you did say was, "Montana State, has had not only far more success on the football field," That suggests the margin is wide, and it is only when you cherry pick the last 4 years. So now you are lying to support your attack.

Four years in a row is a pretty lengthy period of time. Last year's drubbing in the brawl clearly showed the direction the two football programs are going.

Sorry but I'm just not a believer in Big Game Bobby. He's never proved he can get it done on the main stage.

 

[kemajic]

What you did say was, "Montana State, has had not only far more success on the football field," That suggests the margin is wide, and it is only when you cherry pick the last 4 years. So now you are lying to support your attack.

Four years in a row is a pretty lengthy period of time. Last year's drubbing in the brawl clearly showed the direction the two football programs are going.

Sorry but I'm just not a believer in Big Game Bobby. He's never proved he can get it done on the main stage.

So which is it, the margin is wide, or the margin isn't wide? You're welcome to your opinion which can be respected only if you don't contradict yourself. Ask JMU, #1 and beaten at home in the semis by BH, if he's not capable of Big Games.

 

[MTGRZ]

Let's' get this thing back on track....anybody know who will replace him?

 

[PlayerRep]

What you did say was, "Montana State, has had not only far more success on the football field," That suggests the margin is wide, and it is only when you cherry pick the last 4 years. So now you are lying to support your attack.

Four years in a row is a pretty lengthy period of time. Last year's drubbing in the brawl clearly showed the direction the two football programs are going.

Sorry but I'm just not a believer in Big Game Bobby. He's never proved he can get it done on the main stage.

Feel free to name the coaches who accomplished what Hauck did at UM. 3 national championship appearances in 7 years. 4 semifinal appearances in 7 years and 3 wins. 7 conf wins in and row and every year he was at UM that stint. Only 2 conf losses in last 4 years.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Let's' get this thing back on track....anybody know who will replace him?

Who we talking about again?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Four years in a row is a pretty lengthy period of time. Last year's drubbing in the brawl clearly showed the direction the two football programs are going.

Sorry but I'm just not a believer in Big Game Bobby. He's never proved he can get it done on the main stage.

So which is it, the margin is wide, or the margin isn't wide? You're welcome to your opinion which can be respected only if you don't contradict yourself. Ask JMU, #1 and beaten at home in the semis by BH, if he's not capable of Big Games.

On paper, probably not a big difference when you look at it like you did, but it’s pretty clear what program is the premiere college football program in the State of Montana right now.....

Fuck

I’ve never, ever, EVER seen a fanbase live in the past as much as Montana Griz fans do.

I wouldn’t advise resting on the laurels of what a head coach did 12 YEARS AGO in a semi final game.

Marv Levy and Bud Grant also won a hell of a lot of playoff games and yet proved incapable of getting their team over the top in the game that really mattered.

No head coach in the history of the FCS has lost as many national championship games as Bobby Hauck.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Let's' get this thing back on track....anybody know who will replace him?

Who we talking about again?

:clap: :lol:

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Four years in a row is a pretty lengthy period of time. Last year's drubbing in the brawl clearly showed the direction the two football programs are going.

Sorry but I'm just not a believer in Big Game Bobby. He's never proved he can get it done on the main stage.

Feel free to name the coaches who accomplished what Hauck did at UM. 3 national championship appearances in 7 years. 4 semifinal appearances in 7 years and 3 wins. 7 conf wins in and row and every year he was at UM that stint. Only 2 conf losses in last 4 years.

Coached in a really weak Big Sky conference and beat up on crappy opponents. Inflated record which lead to high seeding.

Ultimately.....0-3 on the main stage. He’s never proven he can actually get it done.

 

[PlayerRep]

Feel free to name the coaches who accomplished what Hauck did at UM. 3 national championship appearances in 7 years. 4 semifinal appearances in 7 years and 3 wins. 7 conf wins in and row and every year he was at UM that stint. Only 2 conf losses in last 4 years.

Coached in a really weak Big Sky conference and beat up on crappy opponents. Inflated record which lead to high seeding.

Ultimately.....0-3 on the main stage. He’s never proven he can actually get it done.

Nope, the Big Sky was a top rated conference most of Hauck's years. All conference participate in the playoffs.

According to a well-known national rating service, in Hauck's 7 years, the Big Sky was either no. 1, no. 2 or no. 3 in all years except 2006 when it was 4th. In 06, the rankings were Great West, A-10, Gateway and Big Sky. In those years, in descending order, the MV/Gateway was nos. 5, 4, 4, 3, 1, 8, and 1. The Colonial/A-10 was in the top 3 in 5 of those 7 years, including 3 no. 1s.

Playoff selection and seeding includes a component of strength of schedule, so MT never once had inflated seeding. Beating up on crappy opponents doesn't help playoff seeding. Winning in quarterfinals and semifinals is against top teams.

I see you got nothing again. Full of hot air. No substance. You were in middle school for some of this time period. Judging by some of your posts, you may still be in middle school.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Coached in a really weak Big Sky conference and beat up on crappy opponents. Inflated record which lead to high seeding.

Ultimately.....0-3 on the main stage. He’s never proven he can actually get it done.

Nope, the Big Sky was a top rated conference most of Hauck's years. All conference participate in the playoffs.

According to a well-known national rating service, in Hauck's 7 years, the Big Sky was either no. 1, no. 2 or no. 3 in all years except 2006 when it was 4th. In 06, the rankings were Great West, A-10, Gateway and Big Sky. In those years, in descending order, the MV/Gateway was nos. 5, 4, 4, 3, 1, 8, and 1. The Colonial/A-10 was in the top 3 in 5 of those 7 years, including 3 no. 1s.

Playoff selection and seeding includes a component of strength of schedule, so MT never once had inflated seeding. Beating up on crappy opponents doesn't help playoff seeding. Winning in quarterfinals and semifinals is against top teams.

I see you got nothing again. Full of hot air. No substance. You were in middle school for some of this time period. Judging by some of your posts, you may still be in middle school.

Then why during Bobby Hauck’s period did no other Big Sky program win a national championship let alone make it to the national championship game?

During his tenure.....

4 DIFFERENT CAA programs won a national championship. Delaware, James Madison, Richmond and Villanova. Another program, UMASS, made an appearance.

App State in the SoCon won 3 national championships.

Sorry but the narrative is false that the Big Sky was a strong conference. They had one strong program in Montana.

End of the day this is all irrelevant. Bobby Hauck was good at beating up on the Big Sky when it was weak. He inherited a well established program and kept the wheels turning....but he’s never proven he can actually get it done.

Now that other Big Sky programs have caught up, his true colors are showing. Montana State owns his ass right now.

 

[PlayerRep]

Nope, the Big Sky was a top rated conference most of Hauck's years. All conference participate in the playoffs.

According to a well-known national rating service, in Hauck's 7 years, the Big Sky was either no. 1, no. 2 or no. 3 in all years except 2006 when it was 4th. In 06, the rankings were Great West, A-10, Gateway and Big Sky. In those years, in descending order, the MV/Gateway was nos. 5, 4, 4, 3, 1, 8, and 1. The Colonial/A-10 was in the top 3 in 5 of those 7 years, including 3 no. 1s.

Playoff selection and seeding includes a component of strength of schedule, so MT never once had inflated seeding. Beating up on crappy opponents doesn't help playoff seeding. Winning in quarterfinals and semifinals is against top teams.

I see you got nothing again. Full of hot air. No substance. You were in middle school for some of this time period. Judging by some of your posts, you may still be in middle school.

Then why during Bobby Hauck’s period did no other Big Sky program win a national championship let alone make it to the national championship game?

During his tenure.....

4 DIFFERENT CAA programs won a national championship. Delaware, James Madison, Richmond and Villanova. Another program, UMASS, made an appearance.

App State in the SoCon won 3 national championships.

Sorry but the narrative is false that the Big Sky was a strong conference. They had one strong program in Montana.

End of the day this is all irrelevant. Bobby Hauck was good at beating up on the Big Sky when it was weak. He inherited a well established program and kept the wheels turning....but he’s never proven he can actually get it done.

Now that other Big Sky programs have caught up, his true colors are showing. Montana State owns his ass right now.

Because the Griz are very very good in most years and dominated in the conference. Other good teams couldn't get past the Griz.

Sorry, but in the Hauck years, it is indisputable that the Big Sky was a terrific conference.

Hauck proved he could beat up almost every team in the playoffs. Had a terrific playoff record.

Hauck proved every year that he could get it done, and is proving that again at UM.

If you really think some of the stuff you say, you know little or nothing about football. And clearly never played the game. I think it's funny how you keep coming back to embarrass yourself on egriz. Perhaps the bigger joke on egriz. Keep up the good work.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Then why during Bobby Hauck’s period did no other Big Sky program win a national championship let alone make it to the national championship game?

During his tenure.....

4 DIFFERENT CAA programs won a national championship. Delaware, James Madison, Richmond and Villanova. Another program, UMASS, made an appearance.

App State in the SoCon won 3 national championships.

Sorry but the narrative is false that the Big Sky was a strong conference. They had one strong program in Montana.

End of the day this is all irrelevant. Bobby Hauck was good at beating up on the Big Sky when it was weak. He inherited a well established program and kept the wheels turning....but he’s never proven he can actually get it done.

Now that other Big Sky programs have caught up, his true colors are showing. Montana State owns his ass right now.

Because the Griz are very very good in most years and dominated in the conference. Other good teams couldn't get past the Griz.

Sorry, but in the Hauck years, it is indisputable that the Big Sky was a terrific conference.

Hauck proved he could beat up almost every team in the playoffs. Had a terrific playoff record.

Hauck proved every year that he could get it done, and is proving that again at UM.

If you really think some of the stuff you say, you know little or nothing about football. And clearly never played the game. I think it's funny how you keep coming back to embarrass yourself on egriz. Perhaps the bigger joke on egriz. Keep up the good work.

The great thing about attorneys is they will argue even when they are wrong haha.

Dude.... you clearly don't get it.

Bobby Hauck was the head coach for 7 years during his previous stint at Montana. Yes, I get that Montana beat other Big Sky teams....in the regular season. In fact, in the 7 years he coached there as a head coach, Montana only played one Big Sky team in the playoffs, Weber State in 2008.

In comparison, NDSU has played MVFC teams 7 times in the last decade of the playoffs. SDSU alone 4 times (once in the semi-finals), Illinois State twice (once in the national championship game), and Northern Iowa once. They in fact were the sole reason why Illinois State and SDSU likely both do not have national championships this decade.

During Bobby's first 7 years as a head coach, not a single other Big Sky program, not one, even made it to the semi-finals of the playoffs. Why? Because the conference WAS NOT STRONG. No other program proved even capable of being a contender.

This is like trying to argue that the Southland has been a good conference this past decade due to Sam Houston's success. Sam Houston won a lot of games against some really shitty teams this past decade and were rewarded with a favorable playoff schedule.....but when they ran up against a quality team, they tended to get their asses handed to them.

One decent program in a conference does not mean the conference is good.

I'm not arguing that Montana didn't have good teams. They did.

What I'm saying is Bobby's record was egregiously inflated due to the fact his teams participated in the Big Sky and that the Big Sky, as proven based on playoff performance, was a distant 3rd or 4th best conference in the FCS during Bobby's first tenure.

Look, his record speaks for itself. He is 0-3 on the main stage. His record also included a 2007 season where he coached an undefeated and #3 ranked Griz team to a first round playoff loss to Wofford. He also has 2 other first round playoff losses on his resume.