Matt Nicholson leaving

[2011BisonAlumni]

You are wrong Mr. Lawyer.

Sorry but you haven’t produced any facts.

During Bobby’s first tenure, Montana was 0-3 in the national championship game. No other Big Sky programs made a semi final appearance. Only three playoff games were won by programs other than Montana.

Powerhouse I tell you.

Pretty clear that the Big Sky was the third or fourth best conference in the FCS during those years.

Middle School Boy:

There is much more to coaching than winning 3 national championships. Not one AD in America would agree with you on that.

I produced lots of facts. You produced one.

Winning games, conference and playoff games. Advancing in the playoffs. Recruiting. Evaluation by the AD.

Hauck was asked to come back to coach San Diego St and over a long-term contract in the 7 figures per year. A school like SDS does not hire overrated coaches.

Big Sky was no. 1 or no. 2 in some of those years. Look at the rating services.

Ill St has low low attendance, little game-day at atmosphere, low football budget, doesn't comment much from FBS schools (about half of what UM does), isn't listed in most of the rankings of top programs, is in a weak city, doesn't have a top performance center, has little to no tradition, etc.

Those things are part of top programs.

What rating service Trump?

7 years with Hauck. 0 National Championship wins by Big Sky teams. 0 teams other than Montana even making a Semi-Final appearance. 3 total playoff wins by Big Sky Teams other than Montana.

Meanwhile

CAA/A10- 4 national championship wins. 2 other runner up appearances in the national championship game. 5 different programs making national championship game appearances.

Southern Conference- 3 national championship wins. 2 other programs made semi-final runs, with Furman, in 2005, losing to conference foe and eventual national champion App State by 6 in the semi-finals.

Ya dude....CLEARLY the Big Sky was THE BEST CONFERENCE during that time period lol.

Keep spinning the facts Trump.

 

[PlayerRep]

Middle School Boy:

There is much more to coaching than winning 3 national championships. Not one AD in America would agree with you on that.

I produced lots of facts. You produced one.

Winning games, conference and playoff games. Advancing in the playoffs. Recruiting. Evaluation by the AD.

Hauck was asked to come back to coach San Diego St and over a long-term contract in the 7 figures per year. A school like SDS does not hire overrated coaches.

Big Sky was no. 1 or no. 2 in some of those years. Look at the rating services.

Ill St has low low attendance, little game-day at atmosphere, low football budget, doesn't comment much from FBS schools (about half of what UM does), isn't listed in most of the rankings of top programs, is in a weak city, doesn't have a top performance center, has little to no tradition, etc.

Those things are part of top programs.

What rating service Trump? [Sagarin]

7 years with Hauck. 0 National Championship wins by Big Sky teams. 0 teams other than Montana even making a Semi-Final appearance. 3 total playoff wins by Big Sky Teams other than Montana. [So what, the conference was still very good, if not quite at the top. Yes, CA and Southern (App St) were good in a number of those years. UM beat App St in the playoffs in one of those years. I never said the Big Sky was the best conference in that period. I said it was one of the top conferences in top 3 in almost all of those years.]

Meanwhile

CAA/A10- 4 national championship wins. 2 other runner up appearances in the national championship game. 5 different programs making national championship game appearances.

Southern Conference- 3 national championship wins. 2 other programs made semi-final runs, with Furman, in 2005, losing to conference foe and eventual national champion App State by 6 in the semi-finals.

Ya dude....CLEARLY the Big Sky was THE BEST CONFERENCE during that time period lol.

Keep spinning the facts Trump.

Middle School Boy,

Sagarin ratings.

Yes, CA and Southern (App St) were good in a number of those years. UM beat App St in the playoffs in one of those years. I never said the Big Sky was the best conference in that period. I said it was one of the top conferences in top 3 in almost all of those years. You said the Big Sky was weak in that period. It wasn't. Just a fact.

 

[garizzalies]

Could you please expand on this? When did you play/coach? Where?

Did Cheeks ever answer this? Maybe I missed it?
Or maybe he is purposely avoiding it?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

What rating service Trump? [Sagarin]

7 years with Hauck. 0 National Championship wins by Big Sky teams. 0 teams other than Montana even making a Semi-Final appearance. 3 total playoff wins by Big Sky Teams other than Montana. [So what, the conference was still very good, if not quite at the top. Yes, CA and Southern (App St) were good in a number of those years. UM beat App St in the playoffs in one of those years. I never said the Big Sky was the best conference in that period. I said it was one of the top conferences in top 3 in almost all of those years.]

Meanwhile

CAA/A10- 4 national championship wins. 2 other runner up appearances in the national championship game. 5 different programs making national championship game appearances.

Southern Conference- 3 national championship wins. 2 other programs made semi-final runs, with Furman, in 2005, losing to conference foe and eventual national champion App State by 6 in the semi-finals.

Ya dude....CLEARLY the Big Sky was THE BEST CONFERENCE during that time period lol.

Keep spinning the facts Trump.

Middle School Boy,

Sagarin ratings.

Yes, CA and Southern (App St) were good in a number of those years. UM beat App St in the playoffs in one of those years. I never said the Big Sky was the best conference in that period. I said it was one of the top conferences in top 3 in almost all of those years. You said the Big Sky was weak in that period. It wasn't. Just a fact.

You literally just said 1 or 2.....which is complete and utter horseshit.

Third best, in the FCS, isn't saying a lot.

The Big Sky had one program, Montana, who did anything. Other than Montanan, the conference was not strong. Sorry but that is just a fact Jack.

Three playoff wins by Big Sky programs, outside of Montana, in a 7 year time span. I don't care what ratings you want to throw out there. That isn't good and doesn't speak to the conference being strong.

 

[Mousegriz]

Kinda think Bison might be working PR over a bit here.

 

[MikeyGriz]

But if he disagrees with PR, isn't he automatically wrong by default? Let's ask PR for a ruling!

 

[PlayerRep]

Middle School Boy,

Sagarin ratings.

Yes, CA and Southern (App St) were good in a number of those years. UM beat App St in the playoffs in one of those years. I never said the Big Sky was the best conference in that period. I said it was one of the top conferences in top 3 in almost all of those years. You said the Big Sky was weak in that period. It wasn't. Just a fact.

You literally just said 1 or 2.....which is complete and utter horseshit.

Third best, in the FCS, isn't saying a lot.

The Big Sky had one program, Montana, who did anything. Other than Montanan, the conference was not strong. Sorry but that is just a fact Jack.

Three playoff wins by Big Sky programs, outside of Montana, in a 7 year time span. I don't care what ratings you want to throw out there. That isn't good and doesn't speak to the conference being strong.

Middle School Boy,

No, I literally said this: "it was one of the top conferences [and] in top 3 in almost all of those years."

And this: "According to a well-known national rating service, in Hauck's 7 years, the Big Sky was either no. 1, no. 2 or no. 3 in all years except 2006 when it was 4th. In 06, the rankings were Great West, A-10, Gateway and Big Sky."

In 2006, I see that 16 FCS conferences were rated. Top 3 is in most years, out of 16, is actually quite good.

You can think what you want, but you are wrong on this one.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

You literally just said 1 or 2.....which is complete and utter horseshit.

Third best, in the FCS, isn't saying a lot.

The Big Sky had one program, Montana, who did anything. Other than Montanan, the conference was not strong. Sorry but that is just a fact Jack.

Three playoff wins by Big Sky programs, outside of Montana, in a 7 year time span. I don't care what ratings you want to throw out there. That isn't good and doesn't speak to the conference being strong.

Middle School Boy,

No, I literally said this: "it was one of the top conferences [and] in top 3 in almost all of those years."

And this: "According to a well-known national rating service, in Hauck's 7 years, the Big Sky was either no. 1, no. 2 or no. 3 in all years except 2006 when it was 4th. In 06, the rankings were Great West, A-10, Gateway and Big Sky."

In 2006, I see that 16 FCS conferences were rated. Top 3 is in most years, out of 16, is actually quite good.

You can think what you want, but you are wrong on this one.

According to a ranking produced by Jeff Sagarin.

In reality though.....the conference never had a single program, outside of Montana, finish higher than 8th in the final rankings. Never had a program, outside of Montana, make a semi-final appearance.

You can't point to one single postseason where the Big Sky, top to bottom, proved to be the first or second best conference in the FCS.

In any case, I am done arguing this now. Facts are Big Game Bobby is still 0-3 and couldn't beat a CAA team when it really counted on the main stage. Maybe he'll get it done one day. Kinda doubt it, but we will see.

 

[PlayerRep]

Middle School Boy,

No, I literally said this: "it was one of the top conferences [and] in top 3 in almost all of those years."

And this: "According to a well-known national rating service, in Hauck's 7 years, the Big Sky was either no. 1, no. 2 or no. 3 in all years except 2006 when it was 4th. In 06, the rankings were Great West, A-10, Gateway and Big Sky."

In 2006, I see that 16 FCS conferences were rated. Top 3 is in most years, out of 16, is actually quite good.

You can think what you want, but you are wrong on this one.

According to a ranking produced by Jeff Sagarin.

In reality though.....the conference never had a single program, outside of Montana, finish higher than 8th in the final rankings. Never had a program, outside of Montana, make a semi-final appearance.

You can't point to one single postseason where the Big Sky, top to bottom, proved to be the first or second best conference in the FCS.

In any case, I am done arguing this now. Facts are Big Game Bobby is still 0-3 and couldn't beat a CAA team when it really counted on the main stage. Maybe he'll get it done one day. Kinda doubt it, but we will see.

Middle School Boy:

The discussion was about the conference, not just the playoffs. A conference strength and quality is built on the entire season. Yes, Hauck's team lost 3 national championship games, but the team also went to 3 national championship games. That's huge, in and of itself. You can spew irrelevant facts all you want, but it's clear that the Big Sky was one of the top conferences in those years, and Hauck was and is a very good coach.

Your lack of football knowledge continues to show.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Middle School Boy,

No, I literally said this: "it was one of the top conferences [and] in top 3 in almost all of those years."

And this: "According to a well-known national rating service, in Hauck's 7 years, the Big Sky was either no. 1, no. 2 or no. 3 in all years except 2006 when it was 4th. In 06, the rankings were Great West, A-10, Gateway and Big Sky."

In 2006, I see that 16 FCS conferences were rated. Top 3 is in most years, out of 16, is actually quite good.

You can think what you want, but you are wrong on this one.

According to a ranking produced by Jeff Sagarin.

In reality though.....the conference never had a single program, outside of Montana, finish higher than 8th in the final rankings. Never had a program, outside of Montana, make a semi-final appearance.

You can't point to one single postseason where the Big Sky, top to bottom, proved to be the first or second best conference in the FCS.

In any case, I am done arguing this now. Facts are Big Game Bobby is still 0-3 and couldn't beat a CAA team when it really counted on the main stage. Maybe he'll get it done one day. Kinda doubt it, but we will see.

Coming from a fan of a one-team conference, this entire argument is hilarious.

 

[garizzalies]

Middle School Boy,

No, I literally said this: "it was one of the top conferences [and] in top 3 in almost all of those years."

And this: "According to a well-known national rating service, in Hauck's 7 years, the Big Sky was either no. 1, no. 2 or no. 3 in all years except 2006 when it was 4th. In 06, the rankings were Great West, A-10, Gateway and Big Sky."

In 2006, I see that 16 FCS conferences were rated. Top 3 is in most years, out of 16, is actually quite good.

You can think what you want, but you are wrong on this one.

According to a ranking produced by Jeff Sagarin.

In reality though.....the conference never had a single program, outside of Montana, finish higher than 8th in the final rankings. Never had a program, outside of Montana, make a semi-final appearance.

You can't point to one single postseason where the Big Sky, top to bottom, proved to be the first or second best conference in the FCS.

In any case, I am done arguing this now. Facts are Big Game Bobby is still 0-3 and couldn't beat a CAA team when it really counted on the main stage. Maybe he'll get it done one day. Kinda doubt it, but we will see.

Where did you play/coach? You keep ducking this.
YOU mentioned it; YOU brought it up, so back it up. Very disingenuous to brag it up but hide when called out. I realize you’re a spineless troll, but how do you expect us to give you any credence under these shady circumstances?
Or just go away. That works too

 

[CDAGRIZ]

According to a ranking produced by Jeff Sagarin.

In reality though.....the conference never had a single program, outside of Montana, finish higher than 8th in the final rankings. Never had a program, outside of Montana, make a semi-final appearance.

You can't point to one single postseason where the Big Sky, top to bottom, proved to be the first or second best conference in the FCS.

In any case, I am done arguing this now. Facts are Big Game Bobby is still 0-3 and couldn't beat a CAA team when it really counted on the main stage. Maybe he'll get it done one day. Kinda doubt it, but we will see.

Where did you play/coach? You keep ducking this.
YOU mentioned it; YOU brought it up, so back it up. Very disingenuous to brag it up but hide when called out. I realize you’re a spineless troll, but how do you expect us to give you any credence under these shady circumstances?
Or just go away. That works too

He very clearly never played or coached. He's the kid who always said he had super hot girlfriend, but we wouldn't know her because she went to a different school.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

According to a ranking produced by Jeff Sagarin.

In reality though.....the conference never had a single program, outside of Montana, finish higher than 8th in the final rankings. Never had a program, outside of Montana, make a semi-final appearance.

You can't point to one single postseason where the Big Sky, top to bottom, proved to be the first or second best conference in the FCS.

In any case, I am done arguing this now. Facts are Big Game Bobby is still 0-3 and couldn't beat a CAA team when it really counted on the main stage. Maybe he'll get it done one day. Kinda doubt it, but we will see.

Coming from a fan of a one-team conference, this entire argument is hilarious.

Lol.... nice try buddy.

The MVFC has been the #1 rated conference for the last decade. Has more playoff appearances by teams in the last decade. Most playoff wins in the last decade. Most FBS wins by programs in their conference in the last decade....literally ever single measure of conference strength clearly points to that conference as clearly being the best in the FCS for a very long time.

As far as a one team argument, two other programs have made national championship game appearances in the last 6 years (Illinois State and Yougstown State)....one of which, Illinois State, losing to NDSU in the championship game. SDSU has also had deep playoff runs, losing once to NDSU in the semi-finals and once to JMU in the semi-finals. Finished both 2017 and 2018 ranked #3.

When Montana went on their run, they were literally THE ONLY team in the Big Sky who had any sort of playoff success.

 

[garizzalies]

Where did you play/coach? You keep ducking this.
YOU mentioned it; YOU brought it up, so back it up. Very disingenuous to brag it up but hide when called out. I realize you’re a spineless troll, but how do you expect us to give you any credence under these shady circumstances?
Or just go away. That works too

He very clearly never played or coached. He's the kid who always said he had super hot girlfriend, but we wouldn't know her because she went to a different school.

I understand his predicament. He probably regrets mentioning it and that’s why he keeps ducking it. It’s a catch-22. He wants us to believe him, but that means he’d have to admit his degree is worthless and his knowledge is less than zero.

And the girlfriend analogy is spot-on. She probably lives 220 miles away, which is an “easy” six hour drive across NoDunk to Manitoba.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

He very clearly never played or coached. He's the kid who always said he had super hot girlfriend, but we wouldn't know her because she went to a different school.

I understand his predicament. He probably regrets mentioning it and that’s why he keeps ducking it. It’s a catch-22. He wants us to believe him, but that means he’d have to admit his degree is worthless and his knowledge is less than zero.

And the girlfriend analogy is spot-on. She probably lives 220 miles away, which is an “easy” six hour drive across NoDunk to Manitoba.

I did not play college football. I had spinal condition which prevented that.

Coached high school football for 6 years after college.

 

[garizzalies]

 

[Washgrizfan1]

I understand his predicament. He probably regrets mentioning it and that’s why he keeps ducking it. It’s a catch-22. He wants us to believe him, but that means he’d have to admit his degree is worthless and his knowledge is less than zero.

And the girlfriend analogy is spot-on. She probably lives 220 miles away, which is an “easy” six hour drive across NoDunk to Manitoba.

I did not play college football. I had spinal condition which prevented that.

Coached high school football for 6 years after college.

Coached high school where? What team/year did you coach?

How many national championships did you win? How many national championships did your team get to? How strong was your conference? How many FBS schools offered you a multi-year contract with a salary over one million dollars?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I understand his predicament. He probably regrets mentioning it and that’s why he keeps ducking it. It’s a catch-22. He wants us to believe him, but that means he’d have to admit his degree is worthless and his knowledge is less than zero.

And the girlfriend analogy is spot-on. She probably lives 220 miles away, which is an “easy” six hour drive across NoDunk to Manitoba.

I did not play college football. I had spinal condition which prevented that.

Coached high school football for 6 years after college.

Couldn't handle the pressure from the McClusky, ND local media and hung up the whistle in 2017?

 

[garizzalies]

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

I did not play college football. I had spinal condition which prevented that.

Coached high school football for 6 years after college.

Couldn't handle the pressure from the McClusky, ND local media and hung up the whistle in 2017?

I moved to Montana when my mom got diagnosed with cancer.

Coached in Colorado for 6 years. 2 different high schools.