Matt Nicholson leaving

[grizghost]

And there's no magic to a 10-year period. I say we do 15-yr comparisons.

Bison picked 10 because that’s when we started our “decline”. It’s more so the playing field has been leveled but a good spin doctor can put any “information” out there and claim there point. Luckily he’s NOT a good spin doctor. See that Bison, I used all caps just like you to prove my point.

..just wonder if Pflugrad were not fired where would the Griz be now?...set back the program 10 years with bad choices of head coaches...many
good teams also have left the FCS...Marshall....Appalachian State...Georgia Southern..and others all powerhouses in there day... yes NDSU filled
the hole but if these teams remain and the Griz didn't self destruct it might have been a different outcome...

 

[kemajic]

a stupid Spring season.

Your opinion, not fact.

 

[kemajic]

I didn’t say the margin is wide, but Montana State has clearly been the better program over the past decade.

What you did say was, "Montana State, has had not only far more success on the football field," That suggests the margin is wide, and it is only when you cherry pick the last 4 years. So now you are lying to support your attack.

 

[kemajic]

This probably goes right by you, but attendance, a measure of program support and revenue, is far more important when looking at an employer than small differences in results. And, 2019 Montana 11-4 to the Qfinals; EWU 7-5, no playoffs.

Guess this goes right by you, but attendance doesn't measure the entire success the program, especially at the FCS level. Also, this was about the past decade, not just 2019. But narratives, I know.

No, THIS was about Nicholson leaving and factors that could affect that move. It has nothing to do with the Bison-selected 10 years or WL records; it has to do with program support that relates to job security and growth. Revenue coming in is a far better measure for that than yearly variable WL records. And the argument that IL St. has the advantage there is Bison-constructed, in fact Montana's 2019 record was better than IL St's. The IL St program depends primarily on taxes (which can lose BOR favor at any time); the Montana program depends primarily on consistent ticket revenue that is at least 3X that of IL St. The Montana program earns its own way. Could a majority of IL residents even tell you where IL St is or what their team name is?

It remains that Nicholson was the last Stitt man on board and he has likely been looking since Hauck took over. He found at best a lateral move with a raise he might not have received at Montana.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Guess this goes right by you, but attendance doesn't measure the entire success the program, especially at the FCS level. Also, this was about the past decade, not just 2019. But narratives, I know.

No, THIS was about Nicholson leaving and factors that could affect that move. It has nothing to do with the Bison-selected 10 years or WL records; it has to do with program support that relates to job security and growth. Revenue coming in is a far better measure for that than yearly variable WL records. And the argument that IL St. has the advantage there is Bison-constructed, in fact Montana's 2019 record was better than IL St's. The IL St program depends primarily on taxes (which can lose BOR favor at any time); the Montana program depends primarily on consistent ticket revenue that is at least 3X that of IL St. The Montana program earns its own way. Could a majority of IL residents even tell you where IL St is or what their team name is?

It remains that Nicholson was the last Stitt man on board and he has likely been looking since Hauck took over. He found at best a lateral move with a raise he might not have received at Montana.

So what you are saying is a lowly program that can't pay it's own way because they only get mediocre, but pretty good attendance, for the FCS level, is currently just as successful on the field and can pay an assistant S&C coach more than big ol' Montana can pay their Head S&C coach. Gotta it,. I am grateful that Montana has the support they do, but why is it that every time a Griz fan has no rebuttal, they always go to the attendance argument?

 

[kemajic]

No, THIS was about Nicholson leaving and factors that could affect that move. It has nothing to do with the Bison-selected 10 years or WL records; it has to do with program support that relates to job security and growth. Revenue coming in is a far better measure for that than yearly variable WL records. And the argument that IL St. has the advantage there is Bison-constructed, in fact Montana's 2019 record was better than IL St's. The IL St program depends primarily on taxes (which can lose BOR favor at any time); the Montana program depends primarily on consistent ticket revenue that is at least 3X that of IL St. The Montana program earns its own way. Could a majority of IL residents even tell you where IL St is or what their team name is?

It remains that Nicholson was the last Stitt man on board and he has likely been looking since Hauck took over. He found at best a lateral move with a raise he might not have received at Montana.

So what you are saying is a lowly program that can't pay it's own way because they only get mediocre, but pretty good attendance, for the FCS level, is currently just as successful on the field and can pay an assistant S&C coach more than big ol' Montana can pay their Head S&C coach. Gotta it,. I am grateful that Montana has the support they do, but why is it that every time a Griz fan has no rebuttal, they always go to the attendance argument?

The rebuttal has been explained several times; goes right by you. You're too busy busy being Bison's mouthpiece.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

The rebuttal has been explained several times; goes right by you. You're too busy busy being Bison's mouthpiece.

I really could care less about Bison. I am responding to this:

Because Illinois State is a worse program with substantially worse facilities. They have no support, no fan base and no tradition. In what ways do you think that is a better job?

And then here is kem, touting attendance as the bellweather for a successful program, fan attendance, which really isn't at the FCS level.

Sorry to say it...

But

Illinois State has a better football program right now than UM. Not historically, but the last 10 years they have been undoubtedly the better program.

Their 2014 team was ridiculously talented. Yes NDSU won the championship that year, but Illinois State matched them straight up.

Facilities are fine. Actually, they have a pretty significant expansion plan for a possible FBS move.

Their enrollment is stable and nearly twice the size of UM.

Probably a good move for the guy, especially if he got a pay increase.

Montana 2019 attendance 157,812; Illinois St. 2019 attendance 55,454. But you are the judge.

 

[PlayerRep]

No, THIS was about Nicholson leaving and factors that could affect that move. It has nothing to do with the Bison-selected 10 years or WL records; it has to do with program support that relates to job security and growth. Revenue coming in is a far better measure for that than yearly variable WL records. And the argument that IL St. has the advantage there is Bison-constructed, in fact Montana's 2019 record was better than IL St's. The IL St program depends primarily on taxes (which can lose BOR favor at any time); the Montana program depends primarily on consistent ticket revenue that is at least 3X that of IL St. The Montana program earns its own way. Could a majority of IL residents even tell you where IL St is or what their team name is?

It remains that Nicholson was the last Stitt man on board and he has likely been looking since Hauck took over. He found at best a lateral move with a raise he might not have received at Montana.

So what you are saying is a lowly program that can't pay it's own way because they only get mediocre, but pretty good attendance, for the FCS level, is currently just as successful on the field and can pay an assistant S&C coach more than big ol' Montana can pay their Head S&C coach. Gotta it,. I am grateful that Montana has the support they do, but why is it that every time a Griz fan has no rebuttal, they always go to the attendance argument?

Do you think Ill St is a better football program than UM?

The reasons for Nicholson to leave UM would be to join good friends and apparently make more money. Makes perfect sense. Also, he's been here 6 years, I think. He will still be head strength coach for football. That may be a preferable job for him compared to having to oversee all sports for conditioning.

If you don't think attendance and game day excitement are critically important to a program and its finances, I don't know what to say to you.

I suppose you would rather attend games, and even play, at EWU rather than UM because its success has been better the last decade. Not me, for either.

 

[kemajic]

And then here is kem, touting attendance as the bellweather for a successful program, fan attendance, which really isn't at the FCS level.

Montana 2019 attendance 157,812; Illinois St. 2019 attendance 55,454. But you are the judge.

Never once said that. Said that a program with steady, self-supporting revenue through high attendance is a better place to work. Instead of arguing that point (which you would lose) you try to twist me into your argument. Lame.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So what you are saying is a lowly program that can't pay it's own way because they only get mediocre, but pretty good attendance, for the FCS level, is currently just as successful on the field and can pay an assistant S&C coach more than big ol' Montana can pay their Head S&C coach. Gotta it,. I am grateful that Montana has the support they do, but why is it that every time a Griz fan has no rebuttal, they always go to the attendance argument?

Do you think Ill St is a better football program than UM?

The reasons for Nicholson to leave UM would be to join good friends and apparently make more money. Makes perfect sense. Also, he's been here 6 years, I think. He will still be head strength coach for football. That may be a preferable job for him compared to having to oversee all sports for conditioning.

If you don't think attendance and game day excitement are critically important to a program and its finances, I don't know what to say to you.

I suppose you would rather attend games, and even play, at EWU rather than UM because its success has been better the last decade. Not me, for either.

I never said that ISU was a better program, my point was that ISU is not the shithole some are trying to make it out to be, and for a FCS program is very successful. It even has benefits, such as paying coaches better, that Montana doesn't.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

And then here is kem, touting attendance as the bellweather for a successful program, fan attendance, which really isn't at the FCS level.

Never once said that. Said that a program with steady, self-supporting revenue through high attendance is a better place to work. Instead of arguing that point (which you would lose) you try to twist me into your argument. Lame.

Guess someone else went right to the attendance to prove why one is better than the other.

 

[PlayerRep]

Do you think Ill St is a better football program than UM?

The reasons for Nicholson to leave UM would be to join good friends and apparently make more money. Makes perfect sense. Also, he's been here 6 years, I think. He will still be head strength coach for football. That may be a preferable job for him compared to having to oversee all sports for conditioning.

If you don't think attendance and game day excitement are critically important to a program and its finances, I don't know what to say to you.

I suppose you would rather attend games, and even play, at EWU rather than UM because its success has been better the last decade. Not me, for either.

I never said that ISU was a better program, my point was that ISU is not the shithole some are trying to make it out to be, and for a FCS program is very successful. It even has benefits, such as paying coaches better, that Montana doesn't.

Then why did you endorse and start defending Bison and his BS, who did say Ill St was a better program than UM, and say what you just said. Most people wouldn't have disagreed with you on those 2 points.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I never said that ISU was a better program, my point was that ISU is not the shithole some are trying to make it out to be, and for a FCS program is very successful. It even has benefits, such as paying coaches better, that Montana doesn't.

Then why did you endorse and start defending Bison and his BS, who did say Ill St was a better program than UM, and say what you just said. Most people wouldn't have disagreed with you on those 2 points.

My intent was not to endorse Bison, and I wasn't trying to defend him. I was supporting the stance that ISU is a quality FCS program, that in some areas does a better job than UM.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

All of those points make sense to me. Generally I hate your “woah how the Griz have fallen” that is an over blown point a bit by you on the radio.

I’m sure Bobby has a name or two in mind and everything will work out just fine on this front. Not sure what the hiring freeze could do but I assume this is a must fill position.

A decade ago, the Griz were unquestionably a top 3 FCS program. They had just came off a decade period in which they had won more games than any other FCS program before, had won a national championship and made three other appearances in the national championship game, were consistently not only producing NFL players but NFL players who made an impact, and had just turned down an FBS offer.

As a University, the University of Montana was booming with enrollment and financially stable.

A decade later, the football program is maybe the third best in their own conference...maybe. Enrollment has dropped by over 50%. The University has had significant financial pressure.....and, their hated rivals, Montana State, has had not only far more success on the football field, but the university has skyrocketed from growth.

It is a fall....pretty steep at that.

Let's say I want to become a loser who spends his time on another team's message board arguing over whether that program is better than another unrelated OOC program. What do I do? What's the first step? Do I go to eBizon.com and post 1,500 times to show them how little I care, and tell them that Colgate is a better program? What's the play?

 

[atomik235]

a stupid Spring season.

Your opinion, not fact.

Please articulate on any positives of a 6 game season this spring.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Your opinion, not fact.

Please articulate on any positives of a 6 game season this spring.

How does your son and his teammates feel about playing? Are they all for it or would they rather pass at this point.

 

[kemajic]

Your opinion, not fact.

Please articulate on any positives of a 6 game season this spring.

Far better than nothing. I will be there if it happens and a seat is available.

 

[atomik235]

Please articulate on any positives of a 6 game season this spring.

How does your son and his teammates feel about playing? Are they all for it or would they rather pass at this point.

Not a single player wants to play a Spring schedule.

 

[PlayerRep]

Your opinion, not fact.

Please articulate on any positives of a 6 game season this spring.

Please articulate on having one season in two years, instead of two in two years.

Please articulate on having a zero game season in a year when a 6 game season can be had.

 

[garizzalies]

Montana 2019 attendance 157,812; Illinois St. 2019 attendance 55,454. But you are the judge.

If he is the "get-back" coach, to keep players back from sidelines during games, this job will be easier at Ill. St., because the crowd noise is so much lower.

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