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I hope those 45 seconds were worth it Jordy

EverettGriz said:
spokaneman said:
EverettGriz said:
And frankly, their number pales in comparison with the posters like tnt, spokaneman, argh, and countless others who have said or suggested things just as terrible toward Johnson.

Curious: Why haven't you called them out?
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because we weren't saying we "know" what happened, but rather pointing out that in essence two people are on trial - not just the girl.
 
So I guess MC(used to be a)GF never had enough game to keep girls on the hook. Never had enough juice to have a fall back plan(s)-he just looked for drunk girls (his words). The fact that he can't fathom a 20 year old male doing this tells me all I need to know. I'm a father of a beautiful young girl as well, & it's my job to make sure she's wise enough not to be kept on the line, & smart enough to stay away from people who want to use her. Maybe he didn't do his job & now he's panicked for what's in store for her when she moves away.
 
Others have said it before, there are no pure good guys (or gals) in this entire story. Probably because this is real life stuff. Those who look for that are on a fool’s errand. I honestly feel bad for both of these young people.
 
ordigger said:
I sincerely doubt that MCGF is originally from Butte, and if they are....they have forfeited the right after moving to FREMONT, CA. That explains the post more than anything.
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Just a few questions --

1.) How does one forfeit being born and raised in Butte? Is there a ceremony or something? I feel like I should have at least gotten some kind of official notice or least a mention in the Standard.

2.) Have you not noticed that there are fewer people living in Butte than when you grew up? Or maybe you grew up after the Power had already closed and most people left town...

3.) Why are you referring to me as they? They is used to refer to multiple people. Plural. You understand that I'm just one guy, right?

Judging by your not so firm grasp of the English language and the fact that you apparently can't spell Oredigger correctly, I guess you can rest easy knowing that no one will ever question your pedigree as a proud Digger High School alumnus.

Go Saints.
 
No amount of sex would be worth what either of these two have went through!

This whole situation is unfortunate for both parties. listening to the interview of jj as well as the little we could watch of him on the stand yesterday, I believe he feels bad about how HE handled the situation and would do it differently if he could. If you want to condemn him for that and for that matter the entire program that is your choice. I would not call him a DIRT BAG, he might have done a dirt bag thing!

Lets all try and keep in mind these are two young people with a lot of life still infront of them, both of them have made mistakes and will probably continue to make mistakes. What gives anyone the right to condemn either of them? I just hope they can return to some sort of normalcy and never look back on the threads that have been started on EGRIZ.

With all that said I do feel JJ has gotten the worst of this whole thing and will likely never be rid of the stigma that has come about. MCGF doesnt feel he is guilty of rape but is still willing to condemn a young man who made a poor decision. I personally feel his punishment up to this point is far worse than the crime of a womanizer. I would welcome him back with open arms if he is found innocent. He that is without sin, him cast the first stone.
 
mtgrizfankb said:
This girl is a joke, grow up and realize that this is college. Your kids should look up to players. Your setting a horrible example as a dad by letting 1of 80 ruin the bunch. Seriously teach your kids that not everything is right but sometimes you can't let one thing ruin something special. one bad apple in your mind doesn't ruin a tree.
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I have to agree with most of this. I disagree adamantly though about the girl being a joke after Johnson's testimony yesterday.
 
MiningCityGrizFan said:
This wasn't a hook up. And it wasn't rape.

I too bought the "she offered herself to him and he took her up on the offer."

Had that been the way it actually played out, then I'd be right there with the rest of you condemning a jock sniffing skank that was trying to punish JJ after she found out he had feelings for another girl and wanted revenge.

In THAT scenario I'd have probably done the same thing when I was 20 being that the only thing I enjoyed more than beer were cute drunk girls who were looking for some fun...Been there, done that, glass houses, yada yada yada...

That's not how it played out though.

Side Note: If you're too stupid to click the ALL link on the #johnsontrial twitter feed then you're not getting all of tweets because it filters by "Top" tweets by default.

Again for the few who don't understand the basic premise of my admittedly harsh opinion about Jordan being a dirt bag -- IT'S BASED ON HIS OWN TESTIMONY HE GAVE UNDER OATH ON MONDAY.

I realized this after reading through JORDAN'S OWN WORDS on the following twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/KeilaSzpaller

Johnson: Recalls meeting the alleged victim. It was at the forester's ball 2011. #johnsontrial
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He met her at the forester's ball in 2011 -- not in 2012 like I originally had heard.

Johnson: Agrees they exchanged numbers, there was mutual interest. #johnsontrial They communicated by text. No calls.

Johnson: Doesn't remember gist of texts. Just how's school going. At some point they decided to see each other. #johnsontrial

Johnson: He didn't meet her roommate, she didn't meet his. They arranged get togethers through texts. #johnsontrial Movie, icecream, kissing

Johnson: Got together five or six times that spring. Once he tried to unbutton her pants. "She said no, and I stopped." #johnsontrial

Johnson: Saw her once or twice after that, then they went their separate ways for a while. #johnsontrial A little texting, maybe.
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So this wasn't a one night hook up, walk of shame the next morning, let's pretend this didn't happen type thing.

He took the time to actually develop a relationship with this girl.

I am NOT saying he should have married the girl at this point, but I am saying it was beyond the "hey I don't know you that well, but we're both here and we're both drunk so let's see what you look like naked..." phase.

Fast forward to the 2011 football season...

Johnson: Woman texted him after one of the games and said good job. He texted her after a party to ask for a ride. #johnsontrial

Johnson: The woman picked him up, took him home. She asked for a tour, and he showed her around. She left. #johnsontrial No kissing, no hug
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What in the hell is it with him asking for rides all the time?

Johnson: He believes the next time they talked was around Christmas. In the meantime, he was getting to know another person. #johnsontrial

Johnson: Winter break is five or six weeks, and he went home to spend time with family. kept contact with Kelly (sp) by text.

Johnson: Kept up contact with alleged victim, too, maybe every other day during break. Stopped when school was in session. #johnsontrial

Johnson: Kelly came to visit him and so did a roommate while on break. #johnsontrial

Johnson: He and the woman were texting at the time but it died down when Kelly showed up. He realized he liked Kelly a lot. #johnsontrial
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This would have been a good time to either break off contact with the alleged victim or just grow a set and tell her he's not interested in anything more than being friends.

At least that way he could keep asking for rides I suppose...

Jumping ahead to forester's ball in Feb 2012 --
Johnson: Agreed he got together with Kelly at forester's ball. They danced often, kissed on the dance floor. #johnsontrial

Johnson: Saw the woman there. She came over and gave him a hug. He was happy to see her. He danced with her later, maybe 1x. #johnsontrial

Johnson: Woman asked him if he wanted to get fake married at the ball. #johnsontrial He said sure. There was a long line.

Johnson: They were in line, but they saw their respective friends and parted ways. #johnsontrial Woman saw him dancing with Kelly.

Johnson: He danced with one of the woman's friends. Danced more with Kelly. Then he went home. #johnsontrial Evening recess.
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Again these are his words. And they refute the premise that I had originally heard. I still do not believe it was rape and I agree that he's more than paid the price for the mistakes that he made.

That being said, as I read his words I found myself feeling surprisingly sympathetic towards the girl. At the same time I was pissed at Jordan for being such a selfish ass. A dirt bag.

I am a father of a very pretty young woman who I will be sending off to college far too quickly and the thought of her being used that way by some dirt bag makes me sick to my stomach. Maybe that's why I'm interpreting this the way that I am -- because I'm seeing things through the eyes of a father.

And who knows, maybe I'll change my mind when I hear the rest of his testimony. No matter what he says though, it's his testimony thus far that ultimately shaped my opinion.

You don't have to agree with me. You can call me names too. That's okay. I opened myself to that when I shared my opinion and feelings on this forum the way I did. I actually expected far worse.

I don't believe Jordan raped that girl on that fateful night. I believe she gave herself to him willingly because she truly liked him. Which to me makes the whole story even more tragic.

And him an even bigger dirt bag.
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Are you being serious? Ya it wasnt a great move on JJs part...he was playing her...but for you to sympathize with her for crying rape is INSANITY! Women like her crying rape are the reason rape is sometimes not taken seriously or why some women dont want to come forward. For you to call JJ a dirtbag, and say you sympathize with a girl who cried rape, got JJ kicked off the team, Pflu and oday fired is just fkn nutts! This story is tragic because she willingly had sex with jordan, then decided to ruin his life and the lives of others, including her own. Im not saying JJ was right by playing her, but she took it WAY too far, and is in the late stages of ruining her own life when she should have taken it as a lesson and moved on. You sir have some very dangerous and disturbing thoughts....unless i am misunderstanding you, but i dont think i am because they are "your words"
 
EverettGriz said:
So, in 36 paragraphs, you're essentially saying: JJ is every college-aged male.

I think my description was a tad more succinct. But your post sure was a good (albeit long) read.



Look, no one is suggesting JJ is a saint in all this. But really? C'mon. This stuff happens 1,000 times a night on every college campus, and 500 times the guy's at "fault" and 500 times the girl's at "fault". Women use men just as often as men use women.
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I apologize. Brevity is not something for which I'm known...you're just lucky I'm sober.

I don't agree that this happens every night. Hookups. Yes. Yes I do. Those do happen every night, but this was more than that.

I had heard he met her at the forester's ball, but I didn't realize it was the 2011 ball the year before. I wasn't aware that he had developed a relationship with her over the course of the next year. And that she'd given him rides when he asked after he had been drinking, etc.

Maybe that makes me a dirt bag for not really having any empathy for her when I thought she met him one night and banged him the next. It's hard for me to feel sorry for anyone in a typical hook up scenario because what did they expect? Hook ups are just about sex.

Their interactions over the course of that year though changed everything for me. I understand that a lot of people don't differentiate between the two scenarios, but I did.
 
MiningCityGrizFan said:
mtgrizfankb said:
This girl is a joke, grow up and realize that this is college. Your kids should look up to players. Your setting a horrible example as a dad by letting 1of 80 ruin the bunch. Seriously teach your kids that not everything is right but sometimes you can't let one thing ruin something special. one bad apple in your mind doesn't ruin a tree.
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I have to agree with most of this. I disagree adamantly though about the girl being a joke after Johnson's testimony yesterday.
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You said you beleive she wasnt raped right? She told the authorities she was fucking raped and u still sympathize? I seriously cant believe what you are saying! I have a son, not a daughter, but if i had a daughter and this happened to her i would be tore up but would not want her to lie about rape....this girl is dangerous and there need to be serious consequences for her actions. Anybody know if she can go to prison or serve time for all of this?
 
becker2117 said:
Are you being serious? Ya it wasnt a great move on JJs part...he was playing her...but for you to sympathize with her for crying rape is INSANITY! Women like her crying rape are the reason rape is sometimes not taken seriously or why some women dont want to come forward. For you to call JJ a dirtbag, and say you sympathize with a girl who cried rape, got JJ kicked off the team, Pflu and oday fired is just fkn nutts! This story is tragic because she willingly had sex with jordan, then decided to ruin his life and the lives of others, including her own. Im not saying JJ was right by playing her, but she took it WAY too far, and is in the late stages of ruining her own life when she should have taken it as a lesson and moved on. You sir have some very dangerous and disturbing thoughts....unless i am misunderstanding you, but i dont think i am because they are "your words"
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Um, yes. Yes I am being serious. Though I'm trying not to take myself too seriously in the process.

You've actually touched on one part of the story that I find most interesting. I don't believe it was her crying rape as much as it was the incident snowballing after the fact to the point where it was beyond her control.

I don't have the desire to copy and paste any more tweets, but I have read them. If you get a chance read the testimony of the First Step nurse and of the Detective talking about how they assume the allegations are true until evidence proves other wise. Notice how the two women kept texting the girl after the fact and how they were the ones that gleefully notified her about the firings of O'Day and Phlu via congratulatory texts.

When I see all that it doesn't appear that Johnson ever had a chance of this not going to trial.

I agree with the nurse from Florida who said she thought the First Step nurse had moved beyond neutral support to victims advocate. I think it was beyond the girl's control at that point.

The fact was there were people that wanted/needed to have a head on the wall to redeem the image of university and the local police departments in the eyes of the NCAA and the DOJ is important to note. City and University leadership saw an opportunities to get a big time trophy by taking down the the kid that was arguably the face of Grizzly football in an effort to vindicate themselves and their institutions. And it appears that's exactly what they did.
 
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MiningCityGrizFan said:
becker2117 said:
Are you being serious? Ya it wasnt a great move on JJs part...he was playing her...but for you to sympathize with her for crying rape is INSANITY! Women like her crying rape are the reason rape is sometimes not taken seriously or why some women dont want to come forward. For you to call JJ a dirtbag, and say you sympathize with a girl who cried rape, got JJ kicked off the team, Pflu and oday fired is just fkn nutts! This story is tragic because she willingly had sex with jordan, then decided to ruin his life and the lives of others, including her own. Im not saying JJ was right by playing her, but she took it WAY too far, and is in the late stages of ruining her own life when she should have taken it as a lesson and moved on. You sir have some very dangerous and disturbing thoughts....unless i am misunderstanding you, but i dont think i am because they are "your words"
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Um, yes. Yes I am being serious. Though I'm trying not to take myself too seriously in the process.

You've actually touched on one part of the story that I find most interesting. I don't believe it was her crying rape as much as it was the incident snowballing after the fact to the point where it was beyond her control.

I don't have the desire to copy and paste any more tweets, but I have read them. If you get a chance read the testimony of the First Step nurse and of the Detective talking about how they assume the allegations are true until evidence proves other wise. Notice how the two women kept texting the girl after the fact and how they were the ones that gleefully notified her about the firings of O'Day and Phlu via congratulatory texts.

When I see all that it doesn't appear that Johnson ever had a chance of this not going to trial.

I agree with the nurse from Florida who said she thought the First Step nurse had moved beyond neutral support to victims advocate. I think it was beyond the girl's control at that point.

The fact was there were people that wanted/needed to have a head on the wall to redeem the image of university and the local police departments in the eyes of the NCAA and the DOJ is important to note. City and University leadership saw an opportunities to get a big time trophy by taking down the the kid that was arguably the face of Grizzly football in an effort to vindicate themselves and their institutions. And it appears that's exactly what they did.
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So it was out of her control, thats what you think? She lied to the first step nurse. This has always been in her control, she could stand up right now and say "your honor i wasnt raped".....and you yourself even said you dont believe this is a rape. She has had the control during this entire mess. Its just hard to listen to you say blah blah blah about JJ and how big of a dirt bag he is when you actually believe this girl is lying about a rape that has totally changed peoples lives for worse. Remember what you said about JJ not having the balls to tell this girl he wasnt into her? You said something along those lines, correct? Well she had the power to end all this, but didnt have the guts to stand up and say she was not raped (your words, you dont believe she was raped)

How can you sit and call a man a dirt bag for playing a girl yet sympathize with a girl for saying she was raped when she was not? Lying about rape is without a doubt the worse of these two awful acts.
 
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