Griz play Michigan (Thursday 7:20 MST) TNT

[AZGrizFan]

We beat what three teams wi5 better seeds?

Negative

Two tournament teams then NDSU and Georgia State.

And only one of those got a better seed.

 

[grizindabox]

This seed is bull. Committee has a bias against west teams, or should I say the metrics are biased against us because of geography limiting OOC scheduling.

The seed is what was expected and the rest of your statement is false.

False? It’s an opinion that can’t be empirically proven true or false. Plus I added some reasoning as to why the metrics don’t favor us despite beating a lower seed. None of which is false, just say you disagree.

How did “geography” limit OOC scheduling? We traveled to the Bahamas for God’s sake....played 3 games there. And to Creighton. And to SDSU. Hardly limited, IMHO.

Rhetoric, nothing but rhetoric.

 

[maroonandsilver]

It's our conference, boys. It gets (and never will unless significant changes are made) absolutely the least bit of respect.

Maybe if we hadn't dropped 2 to PSU...........

 

[CFallsGriz]

I'm too lazy to look, but I think I posted the same thing last year. You don't ascend as a program by hoping to keep it close, or having a good showing. Playing like you're happy to be there is how you get blown out. These Griz, including the staff, should not simply want to win, they should expect to win.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[CFallsGriz]

This seed is bull. Committee has a bias against west teams, or should I say the metrics are biased against us because of geography limiting OOC scheduling.

The seed is what was expected and the rest of your statement is false.

Geography absolutely does limit OOC scheduling. Your assertion is false.

 

[CFallsGriz]

The best part of March Madness is - the "Griz fans" who are engineers in Spokane who have never said a single positive thing about the Griz who think all Griz fans are idiots because they live in in the washed up "metropolis" of Spokane and are still living in the old days when people who could get out of montana ended up in Spokane fake superiority complex - start chirping in on egriz about how bad the the Griz are and how stupid people in Montana are for thinking the Griz got screwed.

Not talking about any particular asshole here, just in general.

WHAT

 

[CFallsGriz]

If I was DeCuire, I would get out of the Big Sigh ASAP. ZERO RESPECT

Conference has to earn respect.

How do you propose they do that?

Oh wait. Rhetoric, cuz that's all you do.

Win games against quality OOC teams. The bottom of the conference is terrible and pulls everyone else down.

So what "quality" OOC teams are we gonna play? Is Haslam wussing out or is it kinda hard to schedule Duke for a home and home? Curious what you'd do to fix the problem.

 

[CFallsGriz]

The seed is what was expected and the rest of your statement is false.

False? It’s an opinion that can’t be empirically proven true or false. Plus I added some reasoning as to why the metrics don’t favor us despite beating a lower seed. None of which is false, just say you disagree.

How did “geography” limit OOC scheduling? We traveled to the Bahamas for God’s sake....played 3 games there. And to Creighton. And to SDSU. Hardly limited, IMHO.

Rhetoric, nothing but rhetoric.

Idk if it's intentional, but if irony is your thing you're killing it

 

[CFallsGriz]

The tournament in the Bahamas was scheduled and funded long ago. Traveling to, say, the east coast for a game that we already can't get with money that's not in the budget is difficult if not impossible. Until we can have the success needed to attract good teams to Dahlberg on a regular basis--or change conferences--it is what it is.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Conference has to earn respect.

How do you propose they do that?

Oh wait. Rhetoric, cuz that's all you do.

Win games against quality OOC teams. The bottom of the conference is terrible and pulls everyone else down.

So what "quality" OOC teams are we gonna play? Is Haslam wussing out or is it kinda hard to schedule Duke for a home and home? Curious what you'd do to fix the problem.

Beat UC Irvine.
Beat Ga Southern.
Maybe beat (or show better) against a down U of A team.
Beat PSU twice.
Don't get blown out by Creighton.

We do that, we're a 11-13 seed. The "quality" was on the schedule. But other than Ga State and SDSU/NDSU, we really didn't perform.

 

[grizindabox]

How do you propose they do that?

Oh wait. Rhetoric, cuz that's all you do.

Win games against quality OOC teams. The bottom of the conference is terrible and pulls everyone else down.

So what "quality" OOC teams are we gonna play? Is Haslam wussing out or is it kinda hard to schedule Duke for a home and home? Curious what you'd do to fix the problem.

Beat UC Irvine.
Beat Ga Southern.
Maybe beat (or show better) against a down U of A team.
Beat PSU twice.
Don't get blown out by Creighton.

We do that, we're a 11-13 seed. The "quality" was on the schedule. But other than Ga State and SDSU/NDSU, we really didn't perform.

Didn't realize the PAC12, MWC, WCC, and WAC were such a strain geographically to schedule a basketball game. But I don't think CFallsGriz realizes that a big issue that plagues Montana is also the inability of the other Conference members from winning "quality" OOC also. This pulls Montana down, and every Conference loss is a huge step backwards.

 

[zootownrox]

The seed is what was expected and the rest of your statement is false.

False? It’s an opinion that can’t be empirically proven true or false. Plus I added some reasoning as to why the metrics don’t favor us despite beating a lower seed. None of which is false, just say you disagree.

How did “geography” limit OOC scheduling? We traveled to the Bahamas for God’s sake....played 3 games there. And to Creighton. And to SDSU. Hardly limited, IMHO.

Rhetoric, nothing but rhetoric.

Home game scheduling, extra conference games due to conference wide schedule difficulties, to start.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Win games against quality OOC teams. The bottom of the conference is terrible and pulls everyone else down.

So what "quality" OOC teams are we gonna play? Is Haslam wussing out or is it kinda hard to schedule Duke for a home and home? Curious what you'd do to fix the problem.

Beat UC Irvine.
Beat Ga Southern.
Maybe beat (or show better) against a down U of A team.
Beat PSU twice.
Don't get blown out by Creighton.

We do that, we're a 11-13 seed. The "quality" was on the schedule. But other than Ga State and SDSU/NDSU, we really didn't perform.

Didn't realize the PAC12, MWC, WCC, and WAC were such a strain geographically to schedule a basketball game. But I don't think CFallsGriz realizes that a big issue that plagues Montana is also the inability of the other Conference members from winning "quality" OOC also. This pulls Montana down, and every Conference loss is a huge step backwards.

Yep. It's why we're 29/32 or something like that from a conference ranking standpoint.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Good points being made, but it's March. I don't care what conference we are, or want to be, or should be, in. I don't care what games we should've won. There is one team on the schedule, and I don't care what conference they are in, either. David and Goliath mentality is fatal. In March, you have to come out knowing you are the better team or you stand no chance.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

Beat UC Irvine.
Beat Ga Southern.
Maybe beat (or show better) against a down U of A team.
Beat PSU twice.
Don't get blown out by Creighton.

We do that, we're a 11-13 seed. The "quality" was on the schedule. But other than Ga State and SDSU/NDSU, we really didn't perform.

Didn't realize the PAC12, MWC, WCC, and WAC were such a strain geographically to schedule a basketball game. But I don't think CFallsGriz realizes that a big issue that plagues Montana is also the inability of the other Conference members from winning "quality" OOC also. This pulls Montana down, and every Conference loss is a huge step backwards.

Yes a low conference rating hurts seeding. Losing our leading scoring, Akoh, also hurts seeding.

Yet AZGrizFan is right. Neither of these two issues would 'hurt' as much if the Grizzlies had won three of those games above.

The Griz would be a 12 or 13 seed, not a 15, if they had been less inconsistent this year. This isn't a mystery nor a conspiracy. It is very straight forward. :ugeek:

 

[SACCAT66]

Good points being made, but it's March. I don't care what conference we are, or want to be, or should be, in. I don't care what games we should've won. There is one team on the schedule, and I don't care what conference they are in, either. David and Goliath mentality is fatal. In March, you have to come out knowing you are the better team or you stand no chance.

The thing that the griz have going for them, is confidence from the coaches and Guards...Eveyone thinks that it is the big men that will make the difference, but I have always looked at the guard play and coaching to be the big factor when it comes to upsets in the first round. the griz have 2-3 guards that are very confident, and I don't think will be intimidated going into this game. Also have a coach who thinks he is better at coaching than anyone else is (that is not a knock on him AT ALL...He should) so he is not going to be star struck by Michigan. The key to the griz winning this game, is to stop runs early...In past blow-outs in the tourney, it goes from a 2-3 point game, to a 15 point game in a matter of 2 minutes. If a team like Michigan goes on a 6-8 point run, call a timeout and get settled back in. Teams seem to try and hold onto timeouts in the first half, and when they finally call one, the team is already 15, or more, points behind and then are in Panic mode...Good smart guard play, and coaching, and you have a punchers chance.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The key to the griz winning this game, is to stop runs early...In past blow-outs in the tourney, it goes from a 2-3 point game, to a 15 point game in a matter of 2 minutes. If a team like Michigan goes on a 6-8 point run, call a timeout and get settled back in. Teams seem to try and hold onto timeouts in the first half, and when they finally call one, the team is already 15, or more, points behind and then are in Panic mode...Good smart guard play, and coaching, and you have a punchers chance.

so you watched the Wisconsin and Syracuse games, eh?

 

[SACCAT66]

The key to the griz winning this game, is to stop runs early...In past blow-outs in the tourney, it goes from a 2-3 point game, to a 15 point game in a matter of 2 minutes. If a team like Michigan goes on a 6-8 point run, call a timeout and get settled back in. Teams seem to try and hold onto timeouts in the first half, and when they finally call one, the team is already 15, or more, points behind and then are in Panic mode...Good smart guard play, and coaching, and you have a punchers chance.

so you watched the Wisconsin and Syracuse games, eh?

And was at the North Dakota VS Arizona First Round game 2 years ago...

 

[garizzalies]

I think the Griz got the worst possible seed they could have, playing a pissed Michigan team that expected to be a #1 seed and then lost the Big 10 championship game. I almost would rather the Griz were a #16 playing Gonzaga.

Nope. Committee did us a favor. The “worst possible seed” we could have received was the one we should have received—Michigan State. MSU, as the top #2 seed, should not be in the same quadrant as the overall #1. They should have been in the lowest #1’s quadrant—ours! The talking heads (not the awesome band) were all over this last night.
I actually think MSU should be the #1 in our quad, and we should be playing GU.

 

[Grizbeer]

How do you propose they do that?

Oh wait. Rhetoric, cuz that's all you do.

Win games against quality OOC teams. The bottom of the conference is terrible and pulls everyone else down.

So what "quality" OOC teams are we gonna play? Is Haslam wussing out or is it kinda hard to schedule Duke for a home and home? Curious what you'd do to fix the problem.

Beat UC Irvine.
Beat Ga Southern.
Maybe beat (or show better) against a down U of A team.
Beat PSU twice.
Don't get blown out by Creighton.

We do that, we're a 11-13 seed. The "quality" was on the schedule. But other than Ga State and SDSU/NDSU, we really didn't perform.

While winning those games would have helped I'm not sure any other than beating UA would have got the Griz an 11. In 2005-2006 Griz got blown out by a Boise State team that finished 7th in the WAC. Lost to Portland State (6th in the BSC) the second to last game of the season, and also had losses to ISU and WSU (7th and 8th) and didn't win the regular season. But they did beat Stanford, and got an 11 that year.