Covid Updates - Not Politics

[fanofzoo]

That's the point I was attempting to make in a previous post. Not a perfect analogy, but it's a bit like saying, "It's far safer to not get in a car crash than to get in a car crash wearing a seatbelt, so I'm not going to wear a seatbelt."

Another thing that makes no sense to me is: In justifying not getting the shots, the things people cite actually come together to make a great argument in favor of getting the shots.

So, if the following are true:
1. Natural immunity is better
2. Vaccines aren't very effective in stopping the spread, you can still get COVID
3. Vaccines are effective in preventing hospitalization/death (that's just the data)

Doesn't that mean you should get the vaccine? If it doesn't stop you from getting COVID, you can still get natural immunity (right?), but you'll just have added protection against hospitalization/death if/when you get COVID. What am I missing?

Why, you're missing "LIBERTY!!", of course.

So you all are saying if you don't get the shots you stand a better chance of dying.
Please don't get the shots as I need better seats that will come open .
Thoughts and prayers

 

[CDAGRIZ]

That's the point I was attempting to make in a previous post. Not a perfect analogy, but it's a bit like saying, "It's far safer to not get in a car crash than to get in a car crash wearing a seatbelt, so I'm not going to wear a seatbelt."

Another thing that makes no sense to me is: In justifying not getting the shots, the things people cite actually come together to make a great argument in favor of getting the shots.

So, if the following are true:
1. Natural immunity is better
2. Vaccines aren't very effective in stopping the spread, you can still get COVID
3. Vaccines are effective in preventing hospitalization/death (that's just the data)

Doesn't that mean you should get the vaccine? If it doesn't stop you from getting COVID, you can still get natural immunity (right?), but you'll just have added protection against hospitalization/death if/when you get COVID. What am I missing?

Why, you're missing "LIBERTY!!", of course.

Ah! Thank you.

 

[ranco]

But:

That's the point I was attempting to make in a previous post. Not a perfect analogy, but it's a bit like saying, "It's far safer to not get in a car crash than to get in a car crash wearing a seatbelt, so I'm not going to wear a seatbelt."

Another thing that makes no sense to me is: In justifying not getting the shots, the things people cite actually come together to make a great argument in favor of getting the shots.

So, if the following are true:
1. Natural immunity is better
2. Vaccines aren't very effective in stopping the spread, you can still get COVID
3. Vaccines are effective in preventing hospitalization/death (that's just the data)

Doesn't that mean you should get the vaccine? If it doesn't stop you from getting COVID, you can still get natural immunity (right?), but you'll just have added protection against hospitalization/death if/when you get COVID. What am I missing?

Agree with your point. Also, the data indicates that a vax after having covid increases protection. Though I'm not sure if that will ultimately bear out, I did it anway.

 

[argh!]

genius joe rogan has the virus, so he's doing the obvious thing, and deworming himself. personally, i think he should man up and inject bleach.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/09/01/joe-rogan-covid/

 

[first11]

:thumb:

genius joe rogan has the virus, so he's doing the obvious thing, and deworming himself. personally, i think he should man up and inject bleach.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/09/01/joe-rogan-covid/

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Mike Vorel @mikevorel
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King County will require masks regardless of vaccination status at outdoor events with 500 or more people -- including UW football games -- starting on Tuesday:

 

[SoldierGriz]

So.....the MU variant, prevalent in Columbia and Ecuador might be resistant to current vaccines.

Deplorable dipshits must be responsible for this variant.

Is the curve bent yet?

 

[3-7-77]

The U.S. doesn't have a border since Biden, except for Canada. Gotta keep the likes of SaskGriz and the McKenzie Brothers the hell out of our anything goes immigration policy.

Got Covid? No problem, just as long as you 'no habla Engles.' Just have to be totally worthless, unable to support yourself, your umpteen kids and extended families, be willing to take free welfare money, free healthcare, free education...just as long as you vote Democrat.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

The U.S. doesn't have a border since Biden, except for Canada. Gotta keep the likes of SaskGriz and the McKenzie Brothers the hell out of our anything goes immigration policy.

Got Covid? No problem, just as long as you 'no habla Engles.' Just have to be totally worthless, unable to support yourself, your umpteen kids and extended families, be willing to take free welfare money, free healthcare, free education...just as long as you vote Democrat.

The border wall between Canada and the U.S. has been a godsend. It keeps the third world riff-raff in it's place.

 

[SaskGriz]

The U.S. doesn't have a border since Biden, except for Canada. Gotta keep the likes of SaskGriz and the McKenzie Brothers the hell out of our anything goes immigration policy.

Got Covid? No problem, just as long as you 'no habla Engles.' Just have to be totally worthless, unable to support yourself, your umpteen kids and extended families, be willing to take free welfare money, free healthcare, free education...just as long as you vote Democrat.

The border wall between Canada and the U.S. has been a godsend. It keeps the third world riff-raff in it's place.

Yeah, but then we went and opened it and now there's US license plates all over the place. They might be riff-raff but I understand their desire to get out of that Third World crap pile and head north.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The border wall between Canada and the U.S. has been a godsend. It keeps the third world riff-raff in it's place.

Yeah, but then we went and opened it and now there's US license plates all over the place. They might be riff-raff but I understand their desire to get out of that Third World crap pile and head north.

I'm betting it's mostly NoDakkers. I feel for you, man. I can't imagine the smell.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

So.....the MU variant, prevalent in Columbia and Ecuador might be resistant to current vaccines.

Deplorable dipshits must be responsible for this variant.

Is the curve bent yet?

The variant infection curves in countries are, naturally, following the same general trajectory as a tennis ball bouncing after dropped from 10 feet. Each cycle is lower due to gravity, just as each new virus variant infection rate is lower than the previous ones due to ever larger pools of persons with existing immunities. This will pan out as nature always seems to do with emerging variants, unless man-made vaccines continue to trigger vaccine resistant variants (mutations, think flu virus strains).

I have a right to stick with my natural immunity, and will take whatever consequences follow without bitching or blaming anybody else.

I also have no problem with anyone choosing to inject a man-made solution into their body that has not been tested on other mammals for years, and then subsequent clinical trials on humans for years. Generations of sophisticated and enlightened Americans have been doing that for years with illegal drugs cooked up in bathtubs and basements. It's wholly American do inject first, ask questions later. Especially when the pusher is the manufacturer. We all know pushers and governments never lie to their "customers".

But won't it be just dandy if we find out 5 years down the road the vaccines lead to sterility in people under 45, or "gulp" Viagra resistant impotence or k-y resistant dryness?

 

[argh!]

So.....the MU variant, prevalent in Columbia and Ecuador might be resistant to current vaccines.

Deplorable dipshits must be responsible for this variant.

Is the curve bent yet?

The variant infection curves in countries are, naturally, following the same general trajectory as a tennis ball bouncing after dropped from 10 feet. Each cycle is lower due to gravity, just as each new virus variant infection rate is lower than the previous ones due to ever larger pools of persons with existing immunities. This will pan out as nature always seems to do with emerging variants, unless man-made vaccines continue to trigger vaccine resistant variants (mutations, think flu virus strains).

I have a right to stick with my natural immunity, and will take whatever consequences follow without bitching or blaming anybody else.

I also have no problem with anyone choosing to inject a man-made solution into their body that has not been tested on other mammals for years, and then subsequent clinical trials on humans for years. Generations of sophisticated and enlightened Americans have been doing that for years with illegal drugs cooked up in bathtubs and basements. It's wholly American do inject first, ask questions later. Especially when the pusher is the manufacturer. We all know pushers and governments never lie to their "customers".

But won't it be just dandy if we find out 5 years down the road the vaccines lead to sterility in people under 45, or "gulp" Viagra resistant impotence or k-y resistant dryness?

rhesus monkeys aren't mammals? gawd you must read a lot of dumb stuff.

 

[argh!]

So.....the MU variant, prevalent in Columbia and Ecuador might be resistant to current vaccines.

Deplorable dipshits must be responsible for this variant.

Is the curve bent yet?

no, don't worry, unvaccinated idiots who are driving that curve way up in the southeast, mostly amongst the unvaccinated.

also, it looks like no vaccine is going to be good enough for you. you poor whiney baby.

 

[SoldierGriz]

So.....the MU variant, prevalent in Columbia and Ecuador might be resistant to current vaccines.

Deplorable dipshits must be responsible for this variant.

Is the curve bent yet?

no, don't worry, unvaccinated idiots who are driving that curve way up in the southeast, mostly amongst the unvaccinated.

also, it looks like no vaccine is going to be good enough for you. you poor whiney baby.

No vaccine is going to be good enough for the virus...just like there is no vaccine good enough to kill the flu.

So, STFU turd.

 

[Grizfan-24]

Maybe this point has been made somewhere else in the 2,000 or 3,000 posts before this, but frankly I really don't want to take the effort of researching and I just want to add my 2 cents to this dumpster fire.

The mRNA vaccine itself, as in the practice of using amino acids and not attenuated viruses isn't exactly 'new' science to create antibodies. Rather the practice of using other methods to stimulate an immune response has been used on small scale before and has been extensively tested. That is why they could know precisely how to create the mRNA amino acid and have a general sense that it would provide the type of immune response necessary.

Variations and mutations of diseases are common and the rapidity they appear depends on how much time they are given to replicate and adapt. As long as the SARS-COVID-2 19 version is allowed to remain in the environment it will continue to mutate and adapt and that is always going to be a problem for any vaccine or therapy. That would be case whether we used live or attenuated virus or are using genetic coding to create antibodies. It wasn't inevitable that this was the outcome and path of Covid-19, no matter how much certain parts of our population say it was, because this virus continues to expand more upon human stupidity and arrogance than natural ebbs and flows of a virus.

 

[3-7-77]

The border wall between Canada and the U.S. has been a godsend. It keeps the third world riff-raff in it's place.

War has been declared, Sask. Nodaker's, Columbians, Ecuadorians, and now probably Afghans are going to overrun the Great White North. Doesn't look good, as I've probably got more guns 'n ammo than the Canadian Armed Forces. Be aware of the battles to the south of YOUR border so you'll know where to stockpile your ample beer bottles, snowballs, and antlers for self defense. It's aboat to hit the fan, eh? :thumb:

 

[SoldierGriz]

Maybe this point has been made somewhere else in the 2,000 or 3,000 posts before this, but frankly I really don't want to take the effort of researching and I just want to add my 2 cents to this dumpster fire.

The mRNA vaccine itself, as in the practice of using amino acids and not attenuated viruses isn't exactly 'new' science to create antibodies. Rather the practice of using other methods to stimulate an immune response has been used on small scale before and has been extensively tested. That is why they could know precisely how to create the mRNA amino acid and have a general sense that it would provide the type of immune response necessary.

Variations and mutations of diseases are common and the rapidity they appear depends on how much time they are given to replicate and adapt. As long as the SARS-COVID-2 19 version is allowed to remain in the environment it will continue to mutate and adapt and that is always going to be a problem for any vaccine or therapy. That would be case whether we used live or attenuated virus or are using genetic coding to create antibodies. It wasn't inevitable that this was the outcome and path of Covid-19, no matter how much certain parts of our population say it was, because this virus continues to expand more upon human stupidity and arrogance than natural ebbs and flows of a virus.

Yep, and until you get the WHOLE friggin world vaccinated...nearly simultaneously...it is not going away.

Therefore, it is not going away.

Just like the flu...

 

[horribilisfan8184]

The variant infection curves in countries are, naturally, following the same general trajectory as a tennis ball bouncing after dropped from 10 feet. Each cycle is lower due to gravity, just as each new virus variant infection rate is lower than the previous ones due to ever larger pools of persons with existing immunities. This will pan out as nature always seems to do with emerging variants, unless man-made vaccines continue to trigger vaccine resistant variants (mutations, think flu virus strains).

I have a right to stick with my natural immunity, and will take whatever consequences follow without bitching or blaming anybody else.

I also have no problem with anyone choosing to inject a man-made solution into their body that has not been tested on other mammals for years, and then subsequent clinical trials on humans for years. Generations of sophisticated and enlightened Americans have been doing that for years with illegal drugs cooked up in bathtubs and basements. It's wholly American do inject first, ask questions later. Especially when the pusher is the manufacturer. We all know pushers and governments never lie to their "customers".

But won't it be just dandy if we find out 5 years down the road the vaccines lead to sterility in people under 45, or "gulp" Viagra resistant impotence or k-y resistant dryness?

rhesus monkeys aren't mammals? gawd you must read a lot of dumb stuff.

"other mammals for years" Since you apparently can't read, or comprehend, or both, its a stretch to take you seriously when you comment on what others might read.

For anyone else who missed it, my comment was about potential long-term effects, not whether other mammals gorked out shortly after vaccination, like 5,200 people have in the EU. https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/european-agency-confirms-covid-19-vaccine-fatalities

That's right, the EU tracks all vaccination side effects including DEATHS. Just for shits and giggles you might want to read about the 400,000 other cases of short-term (but likely life long) side effects. Did you hear about the rates these were occurring in any test mammals? No. And did you know in many of the tests the necropsies were performed just 2 weeks post injection? Of course you didn't. So sleep well tonight on the knowledge you may have invited a ticking time bomb into your body, while I keep reading up on this dumb stuff.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7115379/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/health/coronavirus-moderna-vaccine-monkeys.html
https://www.drugdiscoverytrends.com/pfizer-touts-non-human-preclinical-trial-results-for-covid-19-vaccine-candidate/
https://www.drugdiscoverytrends.com/pfizer-touts-non-human-preclinical-trial-results-for-covid-19-vaccine-candidate/

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Republicans love to speak authoritatively about matters they’ve never thought about before.