Worst Coaching Job in UM history

[CV Griz Fan]

If Delaney is not your long term solution then the alternative is a new "long term" coach at the end of the season. It has to happen some time. It might as well be before recruiting season gets in "full swing". What are you going to do, wait another year when Delany's contract is up? With that strategy, you lose one more year of "solid" recruits. The move on Delaney is going to happen anyway. Why not sooner than later?

Who should pay off the rest of Coach D's contract?

I agree that another contact "pay off" is a problem but waiting another year could be a problem too. Again, Delaney is just "stop gap". You know it and I know it.

Until you can answer that question, you're just sprinkling pixie dust.

The University can pay it off! If KH has the "right" coach coming in, then it's an investment. It is $162,000.00. It is really a "pay me now or pay me later" situation. If he has his man, KH will make the move! Being indecisive can lead to long term problems too. It is not an easy decision. I understand that.

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

It's not a "pay me later situation" if he coaches next year.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Some of you are friggin' idiots who know absolutely nothing about football. :?

Eastern had roughly equal talent to Montana and had you at home. It was an uphill battle for the Griz all the way, but your coach knew the strengths of Montana v. Us was that you were better physically and Eastern has a bad tendency of panicking offensively when they get behind.

The first half was give and take and Eastern played fairly sharp. But the hammerhead approach by your staff started to pay dividends in the second half, and I'd even have said Montana was dominating the game into the 4th quarter. They kept doing what worked, and hell, they ran for over 400 yards. It was a great gameplan... and it was executed well.

The downfall was we- Eastern- had better playmakers. You had no one who could cover Brandon Kaufman, and even in double coverage, he can and did beat your secondary. But even that wouldn't have mattered, except Eastern had a brilliant onside kick and managed to execute a play that statistically has about a 10% chance. You can almost chalk it up to bad luck, but when Eastern had to make some plays, they did. The coach can't do anything about that.

The analogy would be like a boxing match where one guy is an on-the-toes finesse boxer-puncher (EWU) and the other is a hardhitting, KO-heavy pug (Montana). After a few close, hard-fought rounds, the banger just starts breaking the other guy down and dominating until latein the fight. Then in the 12th round, the boxer-puncher throws a big left hook counter that lands flush on the chin and puts the banger stone out. Luck? Yeah... but those are the breaks. Maybe the pug ought to fire his trainer...

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

...and how many wins is $162,000 worth?????

 

[mikegriz]

BTW - worse coaching job in history? I mean, ok - have you seen every Griz game? I can think of many other worse coaching jobs, even a few in just the last 10 years, 2007 vs Wofford and 2003 vs NDSU come to mind.

This. I was going to say that it depends on when you think history started. I take it that folks are not aware of the Griz record prior to 1986?

 

[spsyk]

Having a permanent coach and having Delaney is helping recruiting, as well as bringing stability to the coaching staff. In any event, what's the alternative? An interim coach sure wasn't helping recruiting.

Well, I wish I could say that your are right, although you are rarely right, in matter of fact to most who hang in eGriz you never are.

PlayerRep, your are right up there with the Pickle guy, if in fact you are not the Pickle guy.

How can you make a blanket statement like coach Delaney is helping with recruiting, can you sight some examples of his recruits, and prowess of recruiting.

As far as stability to the coaching staff, 2 & 3 not even halfway into the season may mean stability to the coaching staff, in their minds, however it may also mean the pathway to the worse season for the Griz in decades.

Unless you are living in denial and can't face the truth, playing in the playoff this year is probably not going to happen. I knew this day would come, but there are those who hang on this board, will deny that until it happens, well get ready.

I don't mean no disrespect or to slight or disparage coach Delaney, although the president of the university fired the 2011 Coach Of The Year, and a first class individual whom happen to do the job as AD the best I've seen for as long as I've been around. And too this day, have no official reason, other than to make a change.

Engstrom, decision to elevate coach Delaney to head coach of the Griz may or may not have been the best decision for the Griz season let alone future recruiting.

Coach Delaney was already retired, after a long an illustrious career, at all aspects of coaching with the exception of a head coach, however I will point out with the exception of a tenure as a head coach in the high school ranks and not exactly a overwhelming tenure at Western for two years and not two year in succession. I'm just wondering if it was not a rush to judgment, by Engstrom to put coach Delaney in the position of possible failure, and needless to say, the possibility of the curtailment of arguably one of the best programs in the FCS.

I feel and I'm sure that a lot of others feel that the three losses so far this season, could reflect on the coaching staff, as much as that of the athletes misfortunate plunders.

You looking for an alternative, well I'll offer one, I'm not in the position for it to be taken seriously, and it's not going to happen, however here goes, fire president Engstrom, and not without giving a reason, for firing the 2011 Coach Of The Year, and arguably the best AD the university has employed, and reinstate both of them.

Now, that display of anger, is a lot better than you sugarcoating BS of fantasy and not reality.

 

[Griz Convert]

You could take the Sentinel coaching staff and they would do a better job. Terrible coaching - bad play calling on offence and defense. The same mistakes week in and week out ( that is coaching)

Well, the UNLV coaching staff will be available soon, maybe we could work out a deal. :lol:

 

[Spanky]

Coach Delaney has done a good job, especially with the present circumstances. The Griz are a very good team and could very well win the remainder of their games. Throwing stones at the coach or any of the players doesn't help the program.

 

[grizpack]

Would that be all of UM history, or just since 1986 when the griz invented the game.

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And it takes a Cat fan to put the "worst of all time" argument in perspective.

 

[grizfan47]

I don't think that throwing the coaches under the bus because of this loss is the answer. I was dissallusioned by some of the coaching calls as well but I am certain that they (the coaches) are replaying each and every one of their decisions in their own minds as well. Football is a very fluid game where decisions can lead to success or be disaster depending on events that transpire later in the game. I can remember coaching decisions from every coach that has ever coached at UM that were poor decisions or turned out to be ingenious depending on the outcome of the game.

For me the jury is till out as to whether Coach D will be a good coaching decision or a change should be made. I think you have to look at the body of work for the whole season before you make that judgement.

The Griz had a very difficult early season schedule for a team that has so much youth playing key rolls. They are making mistakes but are also improving every game. Keep the faith! Go Griz! :thumb:

 

[grizatwork]

Some of you are friggin' idiots who know absolutely nothing about football. :?

Eastern had roughly equal talent to Montana and had you at home. It was an uphill battle for the Griz all the way, but your coach knew the strengths of Montana v. Us was that you were better physically and Eastern has a bad tendency of panicking offensively when they get behind.

The first half was give and take and Eastern played fairly sharp. But the hammerhead approach by your staff started to pay dividends in the second half, and I'd even have said Montana was dominating the game into the 4th quarter. They kept doing what worked, and hell, they ran for over 400 yards. It was a great gameplan... and it was executed well.

The downfall was we- Eastern- had better playmakers. You had no one who could cover Brandon Kaufman, and even in double coverage, he can and did beat your secondary. But even that wouldn't have mattered, except Eastern had a brilliant onside kick and managed to execute a play that statistically has about a 10% chance. You can almost chalk it up to bad luck, but when Eastern had to make some plays, they did. The coach can't do anything about that.

The analogy would be like a boxing match where one guy is an on-the-toes finesse boxer-puncher (EWU) and the other is a hardhitting, KO-heavy pug (Montana). After a few close, hard-fought rounds, the banger just starts breaking the other guy down and dominating until latein the fight. Then in the 12th round, the boxer-puncher throws a big left hook counter that lands flush on the chin and puts the banger stone out. Luck? Yeah... but those are the breaks. Maybe the pug ought to fire his trainer...

Why does it take an opposing fan to make sense on here? Great Post. Last I checked, every team we play has scholarship players on their roster too. The staff made some changes from the previous week that put us in a position to win. 2 fumbles in the red zone. A PERFECT onside kick, a missed extra point, and maybe some questionable coaching decisions played into it. No coach calls a perfect game. Yes, even Baldwin makes some calls I bet he wishes he had back. With the sh*t show that was Montana football during the off season, we should be proud the effort the guys are giving(that includes coaches). No one has given up. We are just not very good right now. Lets see if we get better.

 

[mikegriz]

You could take the Sentinel coaching staff and they would do a better job. Terrible coaching - bad play calling on offence and defense. The same mistakes week in and week out ( that is coaching)

Well, the UNLV coaching staff will be available soon, maybe we could work out a deal. :lol:

Please, no!!!

 

[mikegriz]

It's pretty obvious the coaching staff should all resign and that e-griz should coach the team. You could call the plays on the big screen and just have the other team close their eyes while its being called. In order to get the plays in on time we can all take turns calling a play.

:lol: Good one!

 

[garizzalies]

Why didn't the griz go for 2 after their last TD? This seemed like a no brainer to me and as soon as they didn't i figured EWU would march down and kick a FG for the win. Of course we actually made it even easier on them, but i'm still curious.

 

[grizatwork]

Why didn't the griz go for 2 after their last TD? This seemed like a no brainer to me and as soon as they didn't i figured EWU would march down and kick a FG for the win. Of course we actually made it even easier on them, but i'm still curious.

Going for the extra point makes it a touch down and field goal game. Two scores. Going for the two point and not getting it makes it an 8 point game. Touchdown and 2 point conversion. Pretty basic coaching philosophy. Make them get the ball twice to score instead of once. Should have worked. We got bobby balled. We outplayed and out gained the other team. We let them stay close enough to get us at the end. I remember leaving the stadium many times wondering how we won when the other team outplayed us. Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

Where did they go wrong? We ran for 400 yards you really think we would pass??? Then the d went into bump coverage...because it runs the clock. Don't get beat deep.... Sadly the best wr in the sky made a hell of a play. Then the inside kick where that same wr raped the griz and made a amazing knock away....then our drive came down the field and the we didn't look at the clock and ran around instead of doing his job. Please tell me where any coach did anything wrong? It was played correctly...

 

[garizzalies]

BTW - worse coaching job in history? I mean, ok - have you seen every Griz game? I can think of many other worse coaching jobs, even a few in just the last 10 years, 2007 vs Wofford and 2003 vs NDSU come to mind.

I'll admit i am probably the biggest opponent of bobby-ball on here. People keep bragging about haning 400+ rushing yards on EWU but i don't see that as a badge of honor, more like a scarlet letter. It may not have been the worst coaching job in history but it was the worst display of bobby-ball going back to the examples you cited (not counting the NCs). The reason why it was worse: there was absolutely no play action or deep shots or even threats of such plays. Now i realize that was part of the scheme due to our personnel/experience but the risk is worth it when the reward is otherwise non-existent. Case in point: running it on that 3-n-goal. Three girls i was with all called a run and all knew it would get stuffed.
We will not win many games running zone-read 50+ times/game, particularly against a stacked front when there is no threat to throw it. There is too much that can go wrong on that play and very little reward. Why don't we just run the option 50+ times/game? Our turnover margin does not surprise me at all. In fact, i think a lesser D that happens to match up with the griz better than EWU's front (i.e. NAU or UNC) will give the griz fits if this continues to be the game plan.

 

[big kahuna]

Great effort. Bad result. Our running game was tremendous against a very good team, but our secondary has got to get better. Last year at home, EWU's Mr. Kaufman got knocked around right off the bat by Mr. Johnson and was a non-factor. We are missing that toughness, not to mention the coverage skills.

 

[tnt]

I understand play calling that lessens the chance of turnovers (especially int) I understand coach to develop players, and all of it to build confidence BUT how much confidence does it build to lose games that could have been won with better clock management (every coach on theteam should walk around with a picture of a clock hanging from the bill of their hats until they get it right) and less predictable play call... (gee its first down what ARE they going to do and WHO's gonna do it???????) Makes one wonder if the opposing teams DC is doing our play calling.... That said the coaches DIDN'T make the mistakes that have cost us in EVERY game......

 

[nzone]

I for the life of me can not figure out why Tye G. didn't pressure the young qb. He was able to sit and wait until the receiver got open and he(the qb) was pretty good. Seriously you need to pressure a rookie qb. When we did it paid dividends. Just don't get the reasoning. We let them have the long ball. As far as Delaney is concerned I would have thought he would have said get some damn pressure in that kid. Anyone?
Go Griz!!