UNDSU: Afraid to Play at Montana?

[CDAGRIZ]

:clap:
That’s the long and short of it, right there. They can either toaster-stream a game to dozens in a 12-mile radius, or play on the main stage before millions, and they choose the former out of fear. Cowards.

Nailed it. The team that has gone an a run that has never been seen before at this level and is the class of the FCS by a long shot, is made up of a bunch of cowards...

So this extra exposure that they’ll gain by playing the griz will help them land those top recruits they’ve been missing out on all these years? It’ll help get their name out there to those 10 people that are unaware who’s won 7 of the last 8 national championships?
Got it.

I hate coming off sounding like I’m a Bison fan, I’m certainly not and I’m as tired as anyone of seeing them dominate the FCS, but this idea that they have so much to gain by playing the griz is comical. If this was the griz of the 2000’s, then absolutely. But the griz haven’t been relevant for the better part of 10 years now. I know that comment will get some people worked up, but it’s true. And before it turns into a Cat vs Griz thing, I’m well aware the Cats haven’t really been relevant in about the same time frame and the Cats didn’t experience a run like the griz did in the late 90’s and 2000’s.

I’m confused. I was with you in the first two paragraphs, but then you did a 180 in the third. ???

What I meant is if the griz were still the program and team they were in the 2000’s, then it’d be a no brainer for NDSU to schedule them, for exposure. But they’re not. They haven’t been nationally relevant for a while, so there isn’t a ton of exposure for NDSU to gain by scheduling them.

I threw the Cat part in there because I figured it was imminent that someone got upset about my comment about the griz and call out the Cats for not being relevant either. And that’s no where near the point of my argument.

Again, not saying they shouldn’t schedule, just saying that using exposure as the argument for why they should is a weak argument and doesn’t have merit.

In your first post, it seemed like you agreed with me on the cowardice and exposure points, and now it looks like you’ve changed your mind.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Pretty simple really

Scheduling had long been aimed at having one FBS games on the road, two non conference FCS opponent at home and then a full conference schedule. 7 games minimum at home.

The only reason for scheduling EWU, Montana and Delaware to home and home schedules was due to the inability to get the ideal schedule with an FBS game. They have now began getting Pac12 opponents and are rumored to be in negotiations with a handful of SEC programs.

I think now they have aimed towards thinking outside the box when not able to get an FBS game (target field game for example).

Hard to argue against a scheduling philosophy which has proven to be successful for the program.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Pretty simple really

Scheduling had long been aimed at having one FBS games on the road, two non conference FCS opponent at home and then a full conference schedule. 7 games minimum at home.

The only reason for scheduling EWU, Montana and Delaware to home and home schedules was due to the inability to get the ideal schedule with an FBS game. They have now began getting Pac12 opponents and are rumored to be in negotiations with a handful of SEC programs.

I think now they have aimed towards thinking outside the box when not able to get an FBS game (target field game for example).

Hard to argue against a scheduling philosophy which has proven to be successful for the program.

That’s a lot of words when one (afraid) does the trick.

 

[Catsrgrood]

Nailed it. The team that has gone an a run that has never been seen before at this level and is the class of the FCS by a long shot, is made up of a bunch of cowards...

So this extra exposure that they’ll gain by playing the griz will help them land those top recruits they’ve been missing out on all these years? It’ll help get their name out there to those 10 people that are unaware who’s won 7 of the last 8 national championships?
Got it.

I hate coming off sounding like I’m a Bison fan, I’m certainly not and I’m as tired as anyone of seeing them dominate the FCS, but this idea that they have so much to gain by playing the griz is comical. If this was the griz of the 2000’s, then absolutely. But the griz haven’t been relevant for the better part of 10 years now. I know that comment will get some people worked up, but it’s true. And before it turns into a Cat vs Griz thing, I’m well aware the Cats haven’t really been relevant in about the same time frame and the Cats didn’t experience a run like the griz did in the late 90’s and 2000’s.

I’m confused. I was with you in the first two paragraphs, but then you did a 180 in the third. ???

What I meant is if the griz were still the program and team they were in the 2000’s, then it’d be a no brainer for NDSU to schedule them, for exposure. But they’re not. They haven’t been nationally relevant for a while, so there isn’t a ton of exposure for NDSU to gain by scheduling them.

I threw the Cat part in there because I figured it was imminent that someone got upset about my comment about the griz and call out the Cats for not being relevant either. And that’s no where near the point of my argument.

Again, not saying they shouldn’t schedule, just saying that using exposure as the argument for why they should is a weak argument and doesn’t have merit.

In your first post, it seemed like you agreed with me on the cowardice and exposure points, and now it looks like you’ve changed your mind.

No

 

[jodcon]

Nailed it. The team that has gone an a run that has never been seen before at this level and is the class of the FCS by a long shot, is made up of a bunch of cowards...

So this extra exposure that they’ll gain by playing the griz will help them land those top recruits they’ve been missing out on all these years? It’ll help get their name out there to those 10 people that are unaware who’s won 7 of the last 8 national championships?
Got it.

I hate coming off sounding like I’m a Bison fan, I’m certainly not and I’m as tired as anyone of seeing them dominate the FCS, but this idea that they have so much to gain by playing the griz is comical. If this was the griz of the 2000’s, then absolutely. But the griz haven’t been relevant for the better part of 10 years now. I know that comment will get some people worked up, but it’s true. And before it turns into a Cat vs Griz thing, I’m well aware the Cats haven’t really been relevant in about the same time frame and the Cats didn’t experience a run like the griz did in the late 90’s and 2000’s.

I’m confused. I was with you in the first two paragraphs, but then you did a 180 in the third. ???

What I meant is if the griz were still the program and team they were in the 2000’s, then it’d be a no brainer for NDSU to schedule them, for exposure. But they’re not. They haven’t been nationally relevant for a while, so there isn’t a ton of exposure for NDSU to gain by scheduling them.

I threw the Cat part in there because I figured it was imminent that someone got upset about my comment about the griz and call out the Cats for not being relevant either. And that’s no where near the point of my argument.

Again, not saying they shouldn’t schedule, just saying that using exposure as the argument for why they should is a weak argument and doesn’t have merit.

In your first post, it seemed like you agreed with me on the cowardice and exposure points, and now it looks like you’ve changed your mind.

In fairness Cat fans have to do everything they can to defend this, thinking it will somehow win back the Bison grace for running like yellow dogs themselves earlier.

 

[Ursa Major]

I’m confused. I was with you in the first two paragraphs, but then you did a 180 in the third. ???

What I meant is if the griz were still the program and team they were in the 2000’s, then it’d be a no brainer for NDSU to schedule them, for exposure. But they’re not. They haven’t been nationally relevant for a while, so there isn’t a ton of exposure for NDSU to gain by scheduling them.

I threw the Cat part in there because I figured it was imminent that someone got upset about my comment about the griz and call out the Cats for not being relevant either. And that’s no where near the point of my argument.

Again, not saying they shouldn’t schedule, just saying that using exposure as the argument for why they should is a weak argument and doesn’t have merit.

In your first post, it seemed like you agreed with me on the cowardice and exposure points, and now it looks like you’ve changed your mind.

In fairness Cat fans have to do everything they can to defend this, thinking it will somehow win back the Bison grace for running like yellow dogs themselves earlier.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I’m confused. I was with you in the first two paragraphs, but then you did a 180 in the third. ???

What I meant is if the griz were still the program and team they were in the 2000’s, then it’d be a no brainer for NDSU to schedule them, for exposure. But they’re not. They haven’t been nationally relevant for a while, so there isn’t a ton of exposure for NDSU to gain by scheduling them.

I threw the Cat part in there because I figured it was imminent that someone got upset about my comment about the griz and call out the Cats for not being relevant either. And that’s no where near the point of my argument.

Again, not saying they shouldn’t schedule, just saying that using exposure as the argument for why they should is a weak argument and doesn’t have merit.

In your first post, it seemed like you agreed with me on the cowardice and exposure points, and now it looks like you’ve changed your mind.

No

“Nailed it. The team that has gone an a run that has never been seen before at this level and is the class of the FCS by a long shot, is made up of a bunch of cowards...“

-Catsrgrood

 

[EverettGriz]

Pretty simple really

Scheduling had long been aimed at having one FBS games on the road, two non conference FCS opponent at home and then a full conference schedule. 7 games minimum at home.

The only reason for scheduling EWU, Montana and Delaware to home and home schedules was due to the inability to get the ideal schedule with an FBS game. They have now began getting Pac12 opponents and are rumored to be in negotiations with a handful of SEC programs.

I think now they have aimed towards thinking outside the box when not able to get an FBS game (target field game for example).

Hard to argue against a scheduling philosophy which has proven to be successful for the program.

Sooo, what you're saying is they're scared shitless to play a legit team outside the FatoDome?

 

[mtgrizrule]

At this stage, I think it is more about strategy within the FCS than it is being afraid.
Right now, NDSU is THE FCS program. They know damn well, with Hauck back at Montana, the GRIZ are 1 of the few FCS programs that can threaten them, with time.

Think about it, if Montana beats them, it gains Montana recruiting interest.
A Montana/NDSU early season game would definitely be aired on 1 of the ESPN networks. ⁸
The Montana game environment would create even more recruiting interest.
These kind of factors could, and likely would give Montana threshold into the Midwest/Central USA, which is where NDSU dominates in recruiting.

Why would NDSU want to help Montana or any other top tier FCS program in building their program? NDSU has more to lose, than to gain by doing more home and home games against Montana. Plus, they cannot afford to pay Montana the 600k plus for the GRIZ to just play there.

In my opinion, the GRIZ have to get back to the top of the FCS, without NDSU's help. Montana has to earn the opportunity to knock them off in the FCS playoffs. I think, NDSU is being vey smart in not scheduling Montana in the regular season.

So the Bizons won’t play Montana because of what could happen if they lost, but they aren’t afraid, right?

Feel free to disagree. I'm done debating crap on this site.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

At this stage, I think it is more about strategy within the FCS than it is being afraid.
Right now, NDSU is THE FCS program. They know damn well, with Hauck back at Montana, the GRIZ are 1 of the few FCS programs that can threaten them, with time.

Think about it, if Montana beats them, it gains Montana recruiting interest.
A Montana/NDSU early season game would definitely be aired on 1 of the ESPN networks. ⁸
The Montana game environment would create even more recruiting interest.
These kind of factors could, and likely would give Montana threshold into the Midwest/Central USA, which is where NDSU dominates in recruiting.

Why would NDSU want to help Montana or any other top tier FCS program in building their program? NDSU has more to lose, than to gain by doing more home and home games against Montana. Plus, they cannot afford to pay Montana the 600k plus for the GRIZ to just play there.

In my opinion, the GRIZ have to get back to the top of the FCS, without NDSU's help. Montana has to earn the opportunity to knock them off in the FCS playoffs. I think, NDSU is being vey smart in not scheduling Montana in the regular season.

So the Bizons won’t play Montana because of what could happen if they lost, but they aren’t afraid, right?

Feel free to disagree. I'm done debating crap on this site.

Thanks! :thumb:

 

[Catsrgrood]

What I meant is if the griz were still the program and team they were in the 2000’s, then it’d be a no brainer for NDSU to schedule them, for exposure. But they’re not. They haven’t been nationally relevant for a while, so there isn’t a ton of exposure for NDSU to gain by scheduling them.

I threw the Cat part in there because I figured it was imminent that someone got upset about my comment about the griz and call out the Cats for not being relevant either. And that’s no where near the point of my argument.

Again, not saying they shouldn’t schedule, just saying that using exposure as the argument for why they should is a weak argument and doesn’t have merit.

In your first post, it seemed like you agreed with me on the cowardice and exposure points, and now it looks like you’ve changed your mind.

No

“Nailed it. The team that has gone an a run that has never been seen before at this level and is the class of the FCS by a long shot, is made up of a bunch of cowards...“

-Catsrgrood

You’re not that dumb CDA. That is a bit of sarcasm at your asinine claim.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Pretty simple really

Scheduling had long been aimed at having one FBS games on the road, two non conference FCS opponent at home and then a full conference schedule. 7 games minimum at home.

The only reason for scheduling EWU, Montana and Delaware to home and home schedules was due to the inability to get the ideal schedule with an FBS game. They have now began getting Pac12 opponents and are rumored to be in negotiations with a handful of SEC programs.

I think now they have aimed towards thinking outside the box when not able to get an FBS game (target field game for example).

Hard to argue against a scheduling philosophy which has proven to be successful for the program.

Sooo, what you're saying is they're scared shitless to play a legit team outside the FatoDome?

No.

They’d rather play against FBS programs.

Maybe the Montana schools should join the MVFC and then they could play NDSU nearly every year since they are apparently begging for the game.

Would love to see NDSU play against Montana on a frequent basis if it was a conference matchup.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

In your first post, it seemed like you agreed with me on the cowardice and exposure points, and now it looks like you’ve changed your mind.

No

“Nailed it. The team that has gone an a run that has never been seen before at this level and is the class of the FCS by a long shot, is made up of a bunch of cowards...“

-Catsrgrood

You’re not that dumb CDA. That is a bit of sarcasm at your asinine claim.

Sarcasm? Based on your performance in the thread, I guess I didn’t think you were very familiar with the term...
In other words: COME ON!!!!!!

 

[rocklobster]

Pretty simple really

Scheduling had long been aimed at having one FBS games on the road, two non conference FCS opponent at home and then a full conference schedule. 7 games minimum at home.

The only reason for scheduling EWU, Montana and Delaware to home and home schedules was due to the inability to get the ideal schedule with an FBS game. They have now began getting Pac12 opponents and are rumored to be in negotiations with a handful of SEC programs.

I think now they have aimed towards thinking outside the box when not able to get an FBS game (target field game for example).

Hard to argue against a scheduling philosophy which has proven to be successful for the program.

Sooo, what you're saying is they're scared shitless to play a legit team outside the FatoDome?

It’s actually spelled “Fattodome” with two tts! I generally don’t correct people on spelling, but in this case, I thought it apropos! This is not Bobcat Nation!

 

[rocklobster]

Pretty simple really

Scheduling had long been aimed at having one FBS games on the road, two non conference FCS opponent at home and then a full conference schedule. 7 games minimum at home.

The only reason for scheduling EWU, Montana and Delaware to home and home schedules was due to the inability to get the ideal schedule with an FBS game. They have now began getting Pac12 opponents and are rumored to be in negotiations with a handful of SEC programs.

I think now they have aimed towards thinking outside the box when not able to get an FBS game (target field game for example).

Hard to argue against a scheduling philosophy which has proven to be successful for the program.

Sooo, what you're saying is they're scared shitless to play a legit team outside the FatoDome?

It’s actually spelled “Fattodome” with two tts! I generally don’t correct people on spelling, but in this case, I thought it apropos! This is not Bobcat Nation!

Unless you meant “Fat-o-dome” in which case, I apologize!

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

I've now heard through multiple sources that UM has inquired with the Bizon regarding getting a home-and-home going, and UNDSU is apparently unwilling to do it. What gives? It's well documented that the T-Buffs don't really play non-conference FCS road games, but one would think they would want to play in Missoula again for the exposure. The 2015 game in Missoula, which was televised nationally on ESPN, did a ton to build their brand, so I'm not sure what the deal is with this. Anybody know?

Why would NDSU want to mess with their strength of schedule? If they are going to schedule Big Sky teams to a home and home, they’ll do it against the power teams in the Big Sky.

Sorry dude Y2K came and went. Quit living in the past.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I've now heard through multiple sources that UM has inquired with the Bizon regarding getting a home-and-home going, and UNDSU is apparently unwilling to do it. What gives? It's well documented that the T-Buffs don't really play non-conference FCS road games, but one would think they would want to play in Missoula again for the exposure. The 2015 game in Missoula, which was televised nationally on ESPN, did a ton to build their brand, so I'm not sure what the deal is with this. Anybody know?

Why would NDSU want to mess with their strength of schedule? If they are going to schedule Big Sky teams to a home and home, they’ll do it against the power teams in the Big Sky.

Sorry dude Y2K came and went. Quit living in the past.

Afraid. “Oh, if we lose to an FBS team, no big deal. If we play real FCS competition on the road, it might look bad if we lose.” That’s it. That’s the mentality. Keep doping.

‘Fraidy Buffs. Simple as that.

 

[HookedonGriz]

I’m still 100% convinced it’s because we don’t have a Golden Corral in Missoula. Those fat gravy loving bastards boycotted us over that. U guys see the pic going around of the NDSU hog of a woman pissing against the wall at Target Field game. Wow is all I got! You may not have an appetite for 19 days after seeing it.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I’m still 100% convinced it’s because we don’t have a Golden Corral in Missoula. Those fat gravy loving bastards boycotted us over that. U guys see the pic going around of the NDSU hog of a woman pissing against the wall at Target Field game. Wow is all I got! You may not have an appetite for 19 days after seeing it.

I had not seen it. I have now. Everything said about that fan base is 100% true. Good God. That from a Fargo 9, no less.

 

[HookedonGriz]

I’m still 100% convinced it’s because we don’t have a Golden Corral in Missoula. Those fat gravy loving bastards boycotted us over that. U guys see the pic going around of the NDSU hog of a woman pissing against the wall at Target Field game. Wow is all I got! You may not have an appetite for 19 days after seeing it.

I had not seen it. I have now. Everything said about that fan base is 100% true. Good God. That from a Fargo 9, no less.

Is that not the best pic ever. I’d post it if egriz didn’t get rid of Tapatalk where it was so easy.