UM No. 1 in Conference Scoring Defense and Red Zone Defense

[poorgriz]

Reading about a lawyer discussing logic and statistic analysis, has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. In truth the basis for this entire argument has to do with sampling, amd sadly the Cat fans are dead on in what they are trying to say. Has nothing to do with 2 games or 6 games, but what is the best way to complete your analysis via sampling, In this case the best common characteristics are more likely to appear using the conference stats, and to argue anything else shows a complete lack of knowledge in statistics. Obviously by someone who has never played this game.

The entire "cherry picking" stats is irony onto itself, as a good lawyer will search for "evidence" to support their conclusions. In this case the 6 game theory seems like a good approach. I have actually seen this same poster use conference statistics to support his theories when needed...so I get a chuckle.

Anyhow, from a pure statistics point of view, the best sampling is the conference statistics. Of course some people will never admit when they are wrong, and will try to flip it back on you, but hey thats the sign of a good lawyer, not a good statistician. Or misdirect will be another approach used.

I see that you know even less about stats than you know about football. Like a few of the Cat trolls, you admit that the larger 6 game sampling provides for the best stat analysis at this time, but then, just because you have been stung by me so many times when I've pointed out the nonsense of your posts, you make the silly statement that 2 games is better than 6. Pretty funny. I suppose that's what we should expect from a guy who supports the Missoulian, thinks UMass' move up has been successful, didn't think Cherry was a good point guard, etc. Oh, and there's nothing wrong with conference stats after there have been enough conf games to make them statistical valid.

Really? Are you still trying to argue this or are you guys just playing lawyer and picking a side to argue just for fun... when you really don't seriously believe in what you're arguing? You have thrown out the blanket statement that six data points are always better than two. Do you really believe that, regardless of what those data points are? Are you saying that if two FCS teams have played six games each, one team played two FCS schools and four NAIA schools, and the other FCS team played two FCS schools and four FBS schools... that those stats would hold any relevance whatsoever?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Reading about a lawyer discussing logic and statistic analysis, has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. In truth the basis for this entire argument has to do with sampling, amd sadly the Cat fans are dead on in what they are trying to say. Has nothing to do with 2 games or 6 games, but what is the best way to complete your analysis via sampling, In this case the best common characteristics are more likely to appear using the conference stats, and to argue anything else shows a complete lack of knowledge in statistics. Obviously by someone who has never played this game.

The entire "cherry picking" stats is irony onto itself, as a good lawyer will search for "evidence" to support their conclusions. In this case the 6 game theory seems like a good approach. I have actually seen this same poster use conference statistics to support his theories when needed...so I get a chuckle.

Anyhow, from a pure statistics point of view, the best sampling is the conference statistics. Of course some people will never admit when they are wrong, and will try to flip it back on you, but hey thats the sign of a good lawyer, not a good statistician. Or misdirect will be another approach used.

I see that you know even less about stats than you know about football. Like a few of the Cat trolls, you admit that the larger 6 game sampling provides for the best stat analysis at this time, but then, just because you have been stung by me so many times when I've pointed out the nonsense of your posts, you make the silly statement that 2 games is better than 6. Pretty funny. I suppose that's what we should expect from a guy who supports the Missoulian, thinks UMass' move up has been successful, didn't think Cherry was a good point guard, etc. Oh, and there's nothing wrong with conference stats after there have been enough conf games to make them statistical valid.

Really? Are you still trying to argue this or are you guys just playing lawyer and picking a side to argue just for fun... when you really don't seriously believe in what you're arguing? You have thrown out the blanket statement that six data points are always better than two. Do you really believe that, regardless of what those data points are? Are you saying that if two FCS teams have played six games each, one team played two FCS schools and four NAIA schools, and the other FCS team played two FCS schools and four FBS schools... that those stats would hold any relevance whatsoever?

Plain English: The current stats (regardless of number of data points) hold NO relevance. Period. Talk to me again the first week of November.

 

[Chester Cheetah]

Plain English: The current stats (regardless of number of data points) hold NO relevance. Period. Talk to me again the first week of November.

Tell that to Playa, who has been thumping his chest about the stats ever since the first game.

 

[pussycatkillerz]

blah blah blah

You cat trolls like numbers?

 

[AZGrizFan]

That might be the funniest post on here. EVER. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[jodcon]

I literally LOL'd on that one, well done.

 

[PTGrizzly]

I'm not sure what's worse...the idiotic Cat fans who keep on coming here, or the idiotic Griz fans who continually respond to them. All of them annoy me.

 

[WILD_CAT]

I'm not sure what's worse...the idiotic Cat fans who keep on coming here, or the idiotic Griz fans who continually respond to them. All of them annoy me.

Or a fan that this annoys calling out those fans

 

[ordigger]

Poor PR, still doesn't understand the most basic concept in statistics, which is sampling. Has nothing to do with "how many". And resorts to his comedy of errors. He just slipped to 0-4 against me. Damn he's due for a win someday, even the odds say that. I anxiously await his first win.

 

[poorgriz]

That was a funny post, I'll admit it. However... you'll need to update that attendance one, we set a new record Saturday with 21,037! Also just found our that our game against Davis in three weeks is already sold out and they're working on the SRO tickets. Not exactly sure how many SRO tickets they can sell... but if it's unlimited I'd say Cat\griz would push 25,000 people in attendance this year. :shock:

Gaining on ya...

 

[ABQCat]

That was a funny post, I'll admit it. However... you'll need to update that attendance one, we set a new record Saturday with 21,037! Also just found our that our game against Davis in three weeks is already sold out and they're working on the SRO tickets. Not exactly sure how many SRO tickets they can sell... but if it's unlimited I'd say Cat\griz would push 25,000 people in attendance this year. :shock:

Gaining on ya...

And WaGr has never had anywhere close to 27,000. In fact is was in the 25k range for the last game (Homecoming).

 

[AZGrizFan]

That was a funny post, I'll admit it. However... you'll need to update that attendance one, we set a new record Saturday with 21,037! Also just found our that our game against Davis in three weeks is already sold out and they're working on the SRO tickets. Not exactly sure how many SRO tickets they can sell... but if it's unlimited I'd say Cat\griz would push 25,000 people in attendance this year. :shock:

Gaining on ya...

Unlimited SRO? Seems a bit unsafe...

 

[Griz2k]

F*cktard Flakes. Holy shit that is funny!

 

[Htowngriz]

That was a funny post, I'll admit it. However... you'll need to update that attendance one, we set a new record Saturday with 21,037! Also just found our that our game against Davis in three weeks is already sold out and they're working on the SRO tickets. Not exactly sure how many SRO tickets they can sell... but if it's unlimited I'd say Cat\griz would push 25,000 people in attendance this year. :shock:

Gaining on ya...

And WaGr has never had anywhere close to 27,000. In fact is was in the 25k range for the last game (Homecoming).

The record is 26,293, which is still almost 10,000 more than the litterbox's capacity.

 

[poorgriz]

That was a funny post, I'll admit it. However... you'll need to update that attendance one, we set a new record Saturday with 21,037! Also just found our that our game against Davis in three weeks is already sold out and they're working on the SRO tickets. Not exactly sure how many SRO tickets they can sell... but if it's unlimited I'd say Cat\griz would push 25,000 people in attendance this year. :shock:

Gaining on ya...

And WaGr has never had anywhere close to 27,000. In fact is was in the 25k range for the last game (Homecoming).

The record is 26,293, which is still almost 10,000 more than the litterbox's capacity.

Not correct... but I suppose it depends on your definition of capacity. Bottom line... you had around 25,000 (if I read it right) for your homecoming, and we had around 21,000 for ours. Kudos... you got us by 4 G's.

 

[EverettGriz]

One facility is a stadium. The other is a cow pasture.

That 21,000 figure include the piles of shit, did it?

Piles. Not pieces. Everyone in there is a POS. :thumb:

 

[ABQCat]

That was a funny post, I'll admit it. However... you'll need to update that attendance one, we set a new record Saturday with 21,037! Also just found our that our game against Davis in three weeks is already sold out and they're working on the SRO tickets. Not exactly sure how many SRO tickets they can sell... but if it's unlimited I'd say Cat\griz would push 25,000 people in attendance this year. :shock:

Gaining on ya...

And WaGr has never had anywhere close to 27,000. In fact is was in the 25k range for the last game (Homecoming).

The record is 26,293, which is still almost 10,000 more than the litterbox's capacity.

You have to be blind to not see what's happening here. Not long ago you guys had a significant waitlist for season tickets, and that has all but evaporated. There used to be many threads with people absolutely desperate for a ticket and willing to pay $$$ for it, and you can walk up to the ticket office on Homecoming game day and buy a ticket without any trouble. Meanwhile in Bozeman, we have having to cut off SRO's for the first time ever, and each game sells out faster than the previous. We are raising prices (sometime substantially) without any effect on ticket sales. We substantially raising the cost of the Bobcat Club memberships and still finding many new members, and in the last 3 years we have double the enrollment our high dollar Quarterback Club. Our enrollment has passed you guys and isn't looking back. Please take a minute from your BN trolling and tell me you can see the obvious here.

 

[AZGrizFan]

That was a funny post, I'll admit it. However... you'll need to update that attendance one, we set a new record Saturday with 21,037! Also just found our that our game against Davis in three weeks is already sold out and they're working on the SRO tickets. Not exactly sure how many SRO tickets they can sell... but if it's unlimited I'd say Cat\griz would push 25,000 people in attendance this year. :shock:

Gaining on ya...

And WaGr has never had anywhere close to 27,000. In fact is was in the 25k range for the last game (Homecoming).

The record is 26,293, which is still almost 10,000 more than the litterbox's capacity.

You have to be blind to not see what's happening here. Not long ago you guys had a significant waitlist for season tickets, and that has all but evaporated. There used to be many threads with people absolutely desperate for a ticket and willing to pay $$$ for it, and you can walk up to the ticket office on Homecoming game day and buy a ticket without any trouble. Meanwhile in Bozeman, we have having to cut off SRO's for the first time ever, and each game sells out faster than the previous. We are raising prices (sometime substantially) without any effect on ticket sales. We substantially raising the cost of the Bobcat Club memberships and still finding many new members, and in the last 3 years we have double the enrollment our high dollar Quarterback Club. Our enrollment has passed you guys and isn't looking back. Please take a minute from your BN trolling and tell me you can see the obvious here.

You're absolutely right. There appear to be a significant number of bandwagon fans in Bozeman and the surrounding area.

edit: Listen, it's nice people are finallly noticing. You're averaging just over 19,500 for 3 home games. Meanwhile, the Griz are averaging almost 26,000. And even more telling, the Griz sold out for OKPSU, while 3,300 people elected to pass on a "lesser" opponent. To me that's the definition of a bandwagon fan...

 

[George Ferguson]

As of right now, there is no way to get 25,000 into Bobcat Stadium. They will NOT, and I'm sure for saftey purposes, Can't sell that many SRO tickets. I do believe Bobcat Stadium can handle one more expansion. Probably about 2,000 more seats.

 

[George Ferguson]

ABQCat, All the things you just listed are reasons for YOU TO BE EXCITED ABOUT YOUR PROGRAM! No one is denying all the great improvements MSU has made in recent years. At least I'm not denying it. I'm impressed as hell with Bobcat Stadium and I'm impressed with the recent attendance figures and the team's coach Ash is putting on the field each year. It's ALL GREAT FOR CATS FANS. But it has nothing to do with my favorite team. I don't care about MSU's enrollment as I haven't had to worry about college in many, many years and I don't have children so I don't have to worry about it in the future. Enrollment smack in a football thread is plain stupid. Also, you're off base on a couple of things. There is no waiting list at UM for season tickets because they did away with the waiting list, yet season tickets sold out again, and I know several Havre people who decided too late to get them, hence IF there still was a waiting list, PEOPLE WOULD BE ON IT. Also, while there may have been people coming to Egriz begging for a ticket, it was never as hard as it seemed to get one. From 2000 on I have never bought a season ticket, and yet my wife Has got a ticket to every Griz-Cat game in Missoula during that stretch and never paid over face value either. Also, I have always managed to get extra tickets to the Griz-Cat game at Bobcat Stadium in that same time frame without ever paying over face value and I will again this year. It's not that hard in Missoula and it's not that hard in Bozeman either, no matter how good MSU gets.