UM No. 1 in Conference Scoring Defense and Red Zone Defense

[Fahque]

that makes us statistically undefeated,.

Oh good lord that is why I love this board.... The rabid griz fan cannot stand and early-season loss, so he comes up with phony math to make them undefeated!!

I am glad to see your arrogance has not waned with the talent of your team!! :thumb:

You apparently need reading lessons too

 

[AZGrizFan]

I didn't realize two wins was such a big accomplishment east of the divide. I guess we can let them celebrate their victories.

Back to the point at hand. I'm curious to see how our defense plays at Davis. The Aggies haven't put up a ton of points all season. I have not had a chance to look at their stats yet. Does anyone know what type of offense they run? They are 2-0 in conference with wins over ISU and SUU, but also have OOC losses to PSU and NAU. Despite their 2-0 conference record, I'm not terribly impressed with what Davis has done so far this year. I'm hoping for a dominant road win for the Griz.

It's really displays the difference in expectations between the two fanbases. 'Scat fans are ecstatic at being 3-2, 2-0 in conference. We're pissed because we're 4-1.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Reading about a lawyer discussing logic and statistic analysis, has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. In truth the basis for this entire argument has to do with sampling, amd sadly the Cat fans are dead on in what they are trying to say. Has nothing to do with 2 games or 6 games, but what is the best way to complete your analysis via sampling, In this case the best common characteristics are more likely to appear using the conference stats, and to argue anything else shows a complete lack of knowledge in statistics. Obviously by someone who has never played this game.

The entire "cherry picking" stats is irony onto itself, as a good lawyer will search for "evidence" to support their conclusions. In this case the 6 game theory seems like a good approach. I have actually seen this same poster use conference statistics to support his theories when needed...so I get a chuckle.

Anyhow, from a pure statistics point of view, the best sampling is the conference statistics. Of course some people will never admit when they are wrong, and will try to flip it back on you, but hey thats the sign of a good lawyer, not a good statistician. Or misdirect will be another approach used.

Yes, we GET that. But it's fucking irrelevant when ONE team has played Weber State, while another has played PSU and NAU, and another has played ISU and UNC and another has played UCD and another has played only Cal Poly, etc., etc., etc. The best sampling in the conference is conference statistics AFTER there are a series of common opponents. 2 games in......mmmmm, not so much. Surely you can see that?

 

[theobserver]

I didn't realize two wins was such a big accomplishment east of the divide. I guess we can let them celebrate their victories.

Back to the point at hand. I'm curious to see how our defense plays at Davis. The Aggies haven't put up a ton of points all season. I have not had a chance to look at their stats yet. Does anyone know what type of offense they run? They are 2-0 in conference with wins over ISU and SUU, but also have OOC losses to PSU and NAU. Despite their 2-0 conference record, I'm not terribly impressed with what Davis has done so far this year. I'm hoping for a dominant road win for the Griz.

It's really displays the difference in expectations between the two fanbases. 'Scat fans are ecstatic at being 3-2, 2-0 in conference. We're pissed because we're 4-1.

Naaaa you are pissed because you are sitting in 6th place in the conference.

Can't go undefeated if you lose your first game.

 

[Raider]

Why did you change your screenname, bitchboy?

That is weak.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I didn't realize two wins was such a big accomplishment east of the divide. I guess we can let them celebrate their victories.

Back to the point at hand. I'm curious to see how our defense plays at Davis. The Aggies haven't put up a ton of points all season. I have not had a chance to look at their stats yet. Does anyone know what type of offense they run? They are 2-0 in conference with wins over ISU and SUU, but also have OOC losses to PSU and NAU. Despite their 2-0 conference record, I'm not terribly impressed with what Davis has done so far this year. I'm hoping for a dominant road win for the Griz.

It's really displays the difference in expectations between the two fanbases. 'Scat fans are ecstatic at being 3-2, 2-0 in conference. We're pissed because we're 4-1.

Naaaa you are pissed because you are sitting in 6th place in the conference.

Can't go undefeated if you lose your first game.

Going undefeated means absolutely nothing--in fact I'd rather the Griz NOT go into the playoffs undefeated.

You keep celebrating regular season records, and you should. It's all you've had going for you and your team for the past 30 years. You keep celebrating MAKING the playoffs--you should, because that's as far as you're ever going to get and deep down you and every other bandwagon 'Scat fan who's jumped on board during their cute little 3-year run of "'Scat" success" know it. We'll keep celebrating deep runs in the playoffs. We have more NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME APPEARANCES than your team has PLAYOFF APPEARANCES in the past 30 years. We have one fewer NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS than your team has playoff VICTORIES in the past 30 years. Hell, even during the absolute height of the 'Scat success over the past 4 years the Griz STILL have a deeper playoff run and the same # of playoff victories, despite the worst 4-year stretch in Griz performance history since 1986.

And finally, your team's history of rolling over like a bitch and taking it up the ass during the playoffs is legendary:

2003: UNI 35, MSU 14
2006: App St 38, MSU 17
2010: NSDU: 42, MSU 17 - In Bozoland
2011: SHSU: 49, MSU 13
2012: SHSU: 34, MSU 16 - In Bozoland

So, here's a tip for you: On the off chance that McGhee stays healthy and the 'Scats actually make the playoffs, you'd better hope the defense doesn't give up more than 17 points, because your record when giving up more than 17 is 1-6.

 

[theobserver]

I didn't realize two wins was such a big accomplishment east of the divide. I guess we can let them celebrate their victories.

Back to the point at hand. I'm curious to see how our defense plays at Davis. The Aggies haven't put up a ton of points all season. I have not had a chance to look at their stats yet. Does anyone know what type of offense they run? They are 2-0 in conference with wins over ISU and SUU, but also have OOC losses to PSU and NAU. Despite their 2-0 conference record, I'm not terribly impressed with what Davis has done so far this year. I'm hoping for a dominant road win for the Griz.

It's really displays the difference in expectations between the two fanbases. 'Scat fans are ecstatic at being 3-2, 2-0 in conference. We're pissed because we're 4-1.

Naaaa you are pissed because you are sitting in 6th place in the conference.

Can't go undefeated if you lose your first game.

Going undefeated means absolutely nothing--in fact I'd rather the Griz NOT go into the playoffs undefeated.

You keep celebrating regular season records, and you should. It's all you've had going for you and your team for the past 30 years. You keep celebrating MAKING the playoffs--you should, because that's as far as you're ever going to get and deep down you and every other bandwagon 'Scat fan who's jumped on board during their cute little 3-year run of "'Scat" success" know it. We'll keep celebrating deep runs in the playoffs. We have more NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME APPEARANCES than your team has PLAYOFF APPEARANCES in the past 30 years. We have one fewer NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS than your team has playoff VICTORIES in the past 30 years. Hell, even during the absolute height of the 'Scat success over the past 4 years the Griz STILL have a deeper playoff run and the same # of playoff victories, despite the worst 4-year stretch in Griz performance history since 1986.

And finally, your team's history of rolling over like a bitch and taking it up the ass during the playoffs is legendary:

2003: UNI 35, MSU 14
2006: App St 38, MSU 17
2010: NSDU: 42, MSU 17 - In Bozoland
2011: SHSU: 49, MSU 13
2012: SHSU: 34, MSU 16 - In Bozoland

So, here's a tip for you: On the off chance that McGhee stays healthy and the 'Scats actually make the playoffs, you'd better hope the defense doesn't give up more than 17 points, because your record when giving up more than 17 is 1-6.

Blah blah "we used to be good.... Just look at our beautiful stadium" and my favorite.. "Statically we are undefeated".....

 

[kemajic]

UM is ranked first in the conference in scoring defense (19.6). This is 15th in the nation.

No. 1 in red zone defense (by a wide margin), as well as tied for 1st in nation with Towson. 2d in defense against first downs.

UM has given up the fewest TD's.

4th in total defense (357). 2d in rushing defense (115.6), .8 behind SU. 7th in pass defense. 5th in pass efficiency defense.

1st in interceptions. Goodwin is 1st in passes defended, and tied for 2d in interceptions. 1st in turnover margin (and 7th in nation).

Wagenmann is 1st in fumbles forced and 4th in tackles for loss. Tully is 1st in fumbles recovered.

Cats did not let nau inside the 25. That is how you win games!! But keep puffing yourself up with stats. The only stat that is important right now is 2-0.

They let a shltty SFA team in the end zone many, many times. That's how you lose games!

 

[theobserver]

UM is ranked first in the conference in scoring defense (19.6). This is 15th in the nation.

No. 1 in red zone defense (by a wide margin), as well as tied for 1st in nation with Towson. 2d in defense against first downs.

UM has given up the fewest TD's.

4th in total defense (357). 2d in rushing defense (115.6), .8 behind SU. 7th in pass defense. 5th in pass efficiency defense.

1st in interceptions. Goodwin is 1st in passes defended, and tied for 2d in interceptions. 1st in turnover margin (and 7th in nation).

Wagenmann is 1st in fumbles forced and 4th in tackles for loss. Tully is 1st in fumbles recovered.

Cats did not let nau inside the 25. That is how you win games!! But keep puffing yourself up with stats. The only stat that is important right now is 2-0.

They let a shltty SFA team in the end zone many, many times. That's how you lose games!

And yet the cats are 2-0 sitting on top. How is the view up from 6th place?

 

[WILD_CAT]

Lets just hope the Griz don't lose the Monte Mascot competition. Then things will start getting really bad in CaliMissou.

 

[theobserver]

Lets just hope the Griz don't lose the Monte Mascot competition. Then things will start getting really bad in CaliMissou.

Well they do still have their amazing uniform combos!!

 

[EverettGriz]

Mods, can we just lock this ridiculous POS thread and be done with it so these f*cking kitty trolls stop bumping it to the top of the forum?

Thanks,

 

[Htowngriz]

It's really displays the difference in expectations between the two fanbases. 'Scat fans are ecstatic at being 3-2, 2-0 in conference. We're pissed because we're 4-1.

Naaaa you are pissed because you are sitting in 6th place in the conference.

Can't go undefeated if you lose your first game.

Going undefeated means absolutely nothing--in fact I'd rather the Griz NOT go into the playoffs undefeated.

You keep celebrating regular season records, and you should. It's all you've had going for you and your team for the past 30 years. You keep celebrating MAKING the playoffs--you should, because that's as far as you're ever going to get and deep down you and every other bandwagon 'Scat fan who's jumped on board during their cute little 3-year run of "'Scat" success" know it. We'll keep celebrating deep runs in the playoffs. We have more NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME APPEARANCES than your team has PLAYOFF APPEARANCES in the past 30 years. We have one fewer NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS than your team has playoff VICTORIES in the past 30 years. Hell, even during the absolute height of the 'Scat success over the past 4 years the Griz STILL have a deeper playoff run and the same # of playoff victories, despite the worst 4-year stretch in Griz performance history since 1986.

And finally, your team's history of rolling over like a bitch and taking it up the ass during the playoffs is legendary:

2003: UNI 35, MSU 14
2006: App St 38, MSU 17
2010: NSDU: 42, MSU 17 - In Bozoland
2011: SHSU: 49, MSU 13
2012: SHSU: 34, MSU 16 - In Bozoland

So, here's a tip for you: On the off chance that McGhee stays healthy and the 'Scats actually make the playoffs, you'd better hope the defense doesn't give up more than 17 points, because your record when giving up more than 17 is 1-6.

Blah blah "we used to be good.... Just look at our beautiful stadium" and my favorite.. "Statically we are undefeated".....

You losers are the ones who have to rely on stats because you choke harder than Clay Aiken in the playoffs. Stay irrelevant, little bro.

 

[Chester Cheetah]

Because of the number of games already played, those minor deviations are already evened out or being evened out. 6 games is much different than 2 games. There have already been between 75-80 games already played in the conference, and you're talking about several games.

By the way, EWU v. Oregon St didn't skew EWU's stats, at least their offensive stats, at all. Let's throw out UM's NAU game, because UM was caught napping and NAU played great. And let's throw out NAU v. MSU, because NAU played poorly after putting all their effort into UM the week before. And let's throw out UM v. OPSU, because UM started subbing out JJ and other starters just after halfway through the 1st quarter.

Get a grip. Stats are stats. As the season goes on, they get more and more meaningful. You clearly don't understand statistical analysis.

They are not minor deviations. Are you saying that EWU would have put up the same offensive numbers aginst Panhandle State as they did against OSU? Or is it that PSU would have put the same offensive numbers against Toledo as they did against E. Oregon? Those are some major outliers and cannot be considered "minor deviations". Equating teams that had 2 DII games with teams that had 2 FBS game and teams that had no FBS games skews the data set drastically.

 

[Chester Cheetah]

You clearly don't understand statistical analysis.

Apparently neither do you... with all due respect of course.....

Again - I will ask this v e r y s l o w... if your "statistical analysis" is spot on and have the griz #1 in every category, why are they sitting in 6th place?

UM is 4-1. Two games conference games are not enough to be "statistically" significant. The NAU game was UM's "bad" game. Should be thrown out statistically, under your view of stats. Then I guess that makes us statistically undefeated, again according to your view of stats. And UM is not no. 1 in all stats. My statistical analysis says you are about ready to disappear from the board. Good riddance.

No one is arguing that 2 games is statistically significant, just that it is a more realistic data set than the other one. You are wanting to cherry pick and throw out bad games, everyone else is saying that teams with 32 scholarships cannot be in the same data set with teams with 85 scholarships and still have any expectation of accuracy.

 

[Chester Cheetah]

PSU didn't play two DII teams, Eastern Oregon is an NAIA member of the Frontier Conference. The Mounties just beat Carroll two weeks ago.

So a DII and a NAIA, that throws the data off that much more.

 

[theobserver]

Mods, can we just lock this ridiculous POS thread and be done with it so these f*cking kitty trolls stop bumping it to the top of the forum?

Thanks,

With all due respect... It is always the same whiny histerical wussies that continually cry to the mods!! With all due respect!!

 

[Chester Cheetah]

Reading about a lawyer discussing logic and statistic analysis, has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. In truth the basis for this entire argument has to do with sampling, amd sadly the Cat fans are dead on in what they are trying to say. Has nothing to do with 2 games or 6 games, but what is the best way to complete your analysis via sampling, In this case the best common characteristics are more likely to appear using the conference stats, and to argue anything else shows a complete lack of knowledge in statistics. Obviously by someone who has never played this game.

The entire "cherry picking" stats is irony onto itself, as a good lawyer will search for "evidence" to support their conclusions. In this case the 6 game theory seems like a good approach. I have actually seen this same poster use conference statistics to support his theories when needed...so I get a chuckle.

Anyhow, from a pure statistics point of view, the best sampling is the conference statistics. Of course some people will never admit when they are wrong, and will try to flip it back on you, but hey thats the sign of a good lawyer, not a good statistician. Or misdirect will be another approach used.

Yes, we GET that. But it's f***[*] irrelevant when ONE team has played Weber State, while another has played PSU and NAU, and another has played ISU and UNC and another has played UCD and another has played only Cal Poly, etc., etc., etc. The best sampling in the conference is conference statistics AFTER there are a series of common opponents. 2 games in......mmmmm, not so much. Surely you can see that?

but Weber is closer to PSU and NAU than Panhandle state is to Oregon State when considering the level of OOC competition.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Reading about a lawyer discussing logic and statistic analysis, has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. In truth the basis for this entire argument has to do with sampling, amd sadly the Cat fans are dead on in what they are trying to say. Has nothing to do with 2 games or 6 games, but what is the best way to complete your analysis via sampling, In this case the best common characteristics are more likely to appear using the conference stats, and to argue anything else shows a complete lack of knowledge in statistics. Obviously by someone who has never played this game.

The entire "cherry picking" stats is irony onto itself, as a good lawyer will search for "evidence" to support their conclusions. In this case the 6 game theory seems like a good approach. I have actually seen this same poster use conference statistics to support his theories when needed...so I get a chuckle.

Anyhow, from a pure statistics point of view, the best sampling is the conference statistics. Of course some people will never admit when they are wrong, and will try to flip it back on you, but hey thats the sign of a good lawyer, not a good statistician. Or misdirect will be another approach used.

Yes, we GET that. But it's f***[*] irrelevant when ONE team has played Weber State, while another has played PSU and NAU, and another has played ISU and UNC and another has played UCD and another has played only Cal Poly, etc., etc., etc. The best sampling in the conference is conference statistics AFTER there are a series of common opponents. 2 games in......mmmmm, not so much. Surely you can see that?

but Weber is closer to PSU and NAU than Panhandle state is to Oregon State when considering the level of OOC competition.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I give up. :roll:

 

[EverettGriz]

Mods, can we just lock this ridiculous POS thread and be done with it so these f*cking kitty trolls stop bumping it to the top of the forum?

Thanks,

With all due respect... It is always the same whiny histerical wussies that continually cry to the mods!! With all due respect!!

And it's always the same piece of shit cat fan (with 14 banned names) who serves no purpose whatsoever and deserves to be banned again. With no due respect.