UM No. 1 in Conference Scoring Defense and Red Zone Defense

[jodcon]

theobserever=chihuahua. A constant nuisance tugging at ones pants leg thinking its big and smart until it gets bitch slapped. Result: ends up tucking its tail, whimpering, and hiding.

Looks as if the griz were a bunch of chihuahua'a at NAU....

Again - thank the Cats for saving face for all of Montana on their clubbing of NAU... If MSU has to continue cleaning up after the Griz, we might as well call it the "MONTANA REDEMPTION TOUR"... :thumb:

I wonder if that dude has anymore t-shirts available....

The Bobcats have definitely been the source of pride for Montana football the last 20 years, just a few good years ending in humiliating playoff blowouts. And this year will no different, I just hope it's Montana or NDSU who gets the honor.

 

[GrizBoard]

Observer keep the excess smack talk in a different forum. Also we should we change your username to your prior accounts?

 

[GrizPony]

peeslurper is the ultimate troll. :roll:

 

[theobserver]

Observer keep the excess smack talk in a different forum. Also we should we change your username to your prior accounts?

will do.... sorry...

 

[jodcon]

Gregorak acknowledged some bad tackling and other D issues. Obviously the staff knows where we need shoring up.

Acknowledging your problem is the first step to recovery, they are aware, it will (should) get better.

 

[NLGrizFan]

PSU is a very good offense, one of the best in the nation at this point of the season.

3rd in nation in total offense (574.3).

1st in nation in average per play (8.13). 2d in nation in offensive TD's.

13th in nation in scoring offense. 5th in nation in first downs.

6th in nation in rushing offense.

12th in nation in passing offense. 1st in nation in average per completion (18.91) and average per attempt.

PSU has played 2 DII teams, that skews the stat at this point in the season. PSU has some talent but lacks discipline.

Almost everyone has played a D-II game. PSU has also played a Pac 10 team.

Here's what PSU did against Cal. Lost 30-37. 553 yards of total offense. Average per completion, 23.7. Average per play, 8.1. 2 for 2 in red zone. By comparison, Ohio St had 608 yards, 7 per play, and 13.1 per completion against Cal.

+1

 

[Jaredkuehn]

I didn't realize two wins was such a big accomplishment east of the divide. I guess we can let them celebrate their victories.

Back to the point at hand. I'm curious to see how our defense plays at Davis. The Aggies haven't put up a ton of points all season. I have not had a chance to look at their stats yet. Does anyone know what type of offense they run? They are 2-0 in conference with wins over ISU and SUU, but also have OOC losses to PSU and NAU. Despite their 2-0 conference record, I'm not terribly impressed with what Davis has done so far this year. I'm hoping for a dominant road win for the Griz.

 

[PlayerRep]

Nope, conference only stats are not meaningful early in the conference season (only 2 games). At this point of the season, the full season stats with 5/6 games) are clearly more meaningful.

In the categories listed above for the full season, the Cats are: no. 2 in scoring offense (behind UM), no. 2 in total defense, no. 4 in scoring defense (behind UM), no. 7 in pass defense (behind UM), and no. 3 in rush defense (behind UM).

Talk about cherry picking stats. I also point out that the stats I first posted above, were posted without commentary. They are what they are. No comment was made to say how good the Griz D is or isn't. No comparison was made to the Cats. Then insecure Cat posters had to attack the stats, and not pick out 2 games of stats when there are 6 available. The level of insecurity among some Cat fans is very significant.

You are wrong there, first of all neither group of stats are very useful until later in the season, but at this point the conf only stats are better with only a couple of games than the full stats are. The reason is that some teams have played 2 FBS games, some have played 2 DII games and everywhere else the quality of non conference opponent is too varied to give any useful data for comparison purposes.

This early in the season you really should refrain from placing any weight on the stats and ranking, each game should really be considered in its own little bubble. If you are going to go to statistical ranking you should stick with those that provide the most common level of opponent which is the conference only stats.

Nope, you are dead wrong, as you normally are. 6/5 games of stats are becoming quite meaningful. Picking 2 games out of 6 is what is truly meaningful. You are just being silly.

 

[NLGrizFan]

Cats did not let nau inside the 25. That is how you win games!! But keep puffing yourself up with stats. The only stat that is important right now is 2-0.

Cats have 2 losses, including to a bad team. UM has 1 loss. Keep dreaming that the Cats are a great team this year. They either aren't or haven't shown it yet. NAU would have beaten the Cats if they had played at NAU a week ago, and the Griz would have beaten NAU had they played them yesterday. Monmouth, Colo Mesa and SMU (their only win is against the Cats).

That loss to a bad team was a loss to the top passing offense in the nation, and the Cats played their backup QB in that game to. I really have to wonder what SFA would do to the Griz with your weak secondary and SSH starting.

The other loss was to a FBS team.

Your speculation that the games against NAU would be different had they been played at different times is not based on any reality.

The Cats give up 52 points and 567 yards to SFA, and you blame your back up qb? Now that's pretty funny.

Ya beat me to it. Ya know... I bet if DM was in they woulda scored 53 and won it lol. All jokes aside tho, the cats had a terrible game @ SFA. Comparable to UM @ NAU. Except UM gave up a shit house full of points and seemed to have givin up somewhere along the way.

 

[theobserver]

Nope, conference only stats are not meaningful early in the conference season (only 2 games). At this point of the season, the full season stats with 5/6 games) are clearly more meaningful.

In the categories listed above for the full season, the Cats are: no. 2 in scoring offense (behind UM), no. 2 in total defense, no. 4 in scoring defense (behind UM), no. 7 in pass defense (behind UM), and no. 3 in rush defense (behind UM).

Talk about cherry picking stats. I also point out that the stats I first posted above, were posted without commentary. They are what they are. No comment was made to say how good the Griz D is or isn't. No comparison was made to the Cats. Then insecure Cat posters had to attack the stats, and not pick out 2 games of stats when there are 6 available. The level of insecurity among some Cat fans is very significant.

You are wrong there, first of all neither group of stats are very useful until later in the season, but at this point the conf only stats are better with only a couple of games than the full stats are. The reason is that some teams have played 2 FBS games, some have played 2 DII games and everywhere else the quality of non conference opponent is too varied to give any useful data for comparison purposes.

This early in the season you really should refrain from placing any weight on the stats and ranking, each game should really be considered in its own little bubble. If you are going to go to statistical ranking you should stick with those that provide the most common level of opponent which is the conference only stats.

Nope, you are dead wrong, as you normally are. 6/5 games of stats are becoming quite meaningful. Picking 2 games out of 6 is what is truly meaningful. You are just being silly.

Actually with all due respect, Chester is correct. The non-con games do not nearly provide the leveled playing field from which stats can be accurately compared. Some teams choose to play cupcake teams, while others choose to play FBS teams thus it is impossible to accurately look at the stats.

The ONLY way to observe proper stats is thru the conference games where the competition is leveled for the field... with all due respect, you are wrong AGAIN!!

But again, the only stat Mr. little brother needs to be concerned with is the won/loss column in conference play....

 

[PlayerRep]

Nope, conference only stats are not meaningful early in the conference season (only 2 games). At this point of the season, the full season stats with 5/6 games) are clearly more meaningful.

In the categories listed above for the full season, the Cats are: no. 2 in scoring offense (behind UM), no. 2 in total defense, no. 4 in scoring defense (behind UM), no. 7 in pass defense (behind UM), and no. 3 in rush defense (behind UM).

Talk about cherry picking stats. I also point out that the stats I first posted above, were posted without commentary. They are what they are. No comment was made to say how good the Griz D is or isn't. No comparison was made to the Cats. Then insecure Cat posters had to attack the stats, and not pick out 2 games of stats when there are 6 available. The level of insecurity among some Cat fans is very significant.

You are wrong there, first of all neither group of stats are very useful until later in the season, but at this point the conf only stats are better with only a couple of games than the full stats are. The reason is that some teams have played 2 FBS games, some have played 2 DII games and everywhere else the quality of non conference opponent is too varied to give any useful data for comparison purposes.

This early in the season you really should refrain from placing any weight on the stats and ranking, each game should really be considered in its own little bubble. If you are going to go to statistical ranking you should stick with those that provide the most common level of opponent which is the conference only stats.

Nope, you are dead wrong, as you normally are. 6/5 games of stats are becoming quite meaningful. Picking 2 games out of 6 is what is truly meaningful. You are just being silly.

Actually with all due respect, Chester is correct. The non-con games do not nearly provide the leveled playing field from which stats can be accurately compared. Some teams choose to play cupcake teams, while others choose to play FBS teams thus it is impossible to accurately look at the stats.

The ONLY way to observe proper stats is thru the conference games where the competition is leveled for the field... with all due respect, you are wrong AGAIN!!

But again, the only stat Mr. little brother needs to be concerned with is the won/loss column in conference play....

No, and with no respect whatsoever to either of you trolls, you and Chester are completely wrong. 6 games of stats, almost half a season, are far more meaningful than 2 conf games. You just want to use UM's one bad game, and eliminate several bad or weak games for MSU. Sorry, that's not meaningful. Neither of you apparently no anything about statistical analysis.
I assume you're also saying that a non-conference game against conference game is also not meaningful. You two really are jokers.

Why are you afraid to post in your prior posting name or names?

 

[George Ferguson]

PR is right, six games of stats is more of a dipiction than two. I will say that trending also matters. And right now, the UM defense is TRENDING in the wrong way. The last two weeks have been rough as it relates to total yardage and passing defense. Anyone can cherry pick stats and it works both ways. BUT when you go by the SEASON TOTALS, you're not cherry picking anything because SEASON TOTALS take into account every snap from every single game, good or bad.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I think that "trend" line will arc upward this Saturday, then will arc back downward the following two weeks, then will arc back upward sharply, hitting a high note on 11/23. That's just my reading of the trend line.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR is right, six games of stats is more of a dipiction than two. I will say that trending also matters. And right now, the UM defense is TRENDING in the wrong way. The last two weeks have been rough as it relates to total yardage and passing defense. Anyone can cherry pick stats and it works both ways. BUT when you go by the SEASON TOTALS, you're not cherry picking anything because SEASON TOTALS take into account every snap from every single game, good or bad.

I'm not overly concerned about the defense on Saturday. Was very good most of the time, except tackling at times. Goal line D is very important and indicative of the quality of a defense. Red zone defense is similar. Rushing D was good. Passing defense was fine, except for 2 long passes and part of about 2 drives (and those were too much of the pass D). I give the D a break on the trick play. Sometimes that happens. Pressure on the qb was a bit disappointing, but PSU had given up only 2 sacks all year coming into the game, and both were at Cal. They protect well and get rid of the ball.

The D needs to improve. I think they will. Part of the problem at NAU, besides getting caught napping and NAU playing great, stemmed from not having Hermansen. I think he's the qb on defense, and makes the important secondary calls on each play. A coach was quoted this weekend, saying that a corner or the corners were impacted by not having Hermie. Rominger and the others are good players (and Rominger is very athletic, I am told), but experience and leadership are also important, especially from a signal caller. Just like the safeties missed Tru and experienced corners last year, the corners probably missed Hermie at NAU.

 

[theobserver]

You are wrong there, first of all neither group of stats are very useful until later in the season, but at this point the conf only stats are better with only a couple of games than the full stats are. The reason is that some teams have played 2 FBS games, some have played 2 DII games and everywhere else the quality of non conference opponent is too varied to give any useful data for comparison purposes.

This early in the season you really should refrain from placing any weight on the stats and ranking, each game should really be considered in its own little bubble. If you are going to go to statistical ranking you should stick with those that provide the most common level of opponent which is the conference only stats.

Nope, you are dead wrong, as you normally are. 6/5 games of stats are becoming quite meaningful. Picking 2 games out of 6 is what is truly meaningful. You are just being silly.

Actually with all due respect, Chester is correct. The non-con games do not nearly provide the leveled playing field from which stats can be accurately compared. Some teams choose to play cupcake teams, while others choose to play FBS teams thus it is impossible to accurately look at the stats.

The ONLY way to observe proper stats is thru the conference games where the competition is leveled for the field... with all due respect, you are wrong AGAIN!!

But again, the only stat Mr. little brother needs to be concerned with is the won/loss column in conference play....

you and Chester are completely wrong. 6 games of stats, almost half a season, are far more meaningful than 2 conf games. You just want to use UM's one bad game, and eliminate several bad or weak games for MSU. Sorry, that's not meaningful. Neither of you apparently no anything about statistical analysis.

Of course you are right!! Spot on.. Bulls-eye buckaroo!!.... Is that what you wanted to hear??

"Statistical Analysis" is much more accurate when one team plays a cupcake schedule and the others actually challenge themselves with some competition.... you are without question the smartest man here....

.... but one question.... if your "stats" are so accurate and so impressive, why are the griz sitting in 6th place in the conference? :thumb:

Pad your stats all you wish but eventually reality has to set in.....

 

[Htowngriz]

Nope, you are dead wrong, as you normally are. 6/5 games of stats are becoming quite meaningful. Picking 2 games out of 6 is what is truly meaningful. You are just being silly.

Actually with all due respect, Chester is correct. The non-con games do not nearly provide the leveled playing field from which stats can be accurately compared. Some teams choose to play cupcake teams, while others choose to play FBS teams thus it is impossible to accurately look at the stats.

The ONLY way to observe proper stats is thru the conference games where the competition is leveled for the field... with all due respect, you are wrong AGAIN!!

But again, the only stat Mr. little brother needs to be concerned with is the won/loss column in conference play....

you and Chester are completely wrong. 6 games of stats, almost half a season, are far more meaningful than 2 conf games. You just want to use UM's one bad game, and eliminate several bad or weak games for MSU. Sorry, that's not meaningful. Neither of you apparently no anything about statistical analysis.

Of course you are right!! Spot on.. Bulls-eye buckaroo!!.... Is that what you wanted to hear??

"Statistical Analysis" is much more accurate when one team plays a cupcake schedule and the others actually challenge themselves with some competition.... you are without question the smartest man here....

.... but one question.... if your "stats" are so accurate and so impressive, why are the griz sitting in 6th place in the conference? :thumb:

Pad your stats all you wish but eventually reality has to set in.....

Because we shit the bed against a conference oppenent on the road, and MSU did it against a non-conference one on the road. Comprende?

And you're right, reality will eventually set in like it always does for the paper tiger cats in November and December.

 

[NLGrizFan]

Actually with all due respect, Chester is correct. The non-con games do not nearly provide the leveled playing field from which stats can be accurately compared. Some teams choose to play cupcake teams, while others choose to play FBS teams thus it is impossible to accurately look at the stats.

The ONLY way to observe proper stats is thru the conference games where the competition is leveled for the field... with all due respect, you are wrong AGAIN!!

But again, the only stat Mr. little brother needs to be concerned with is the won/loss column in conference play....

you and Chester are completely wrong. 6 games of stats, almost half a season, are far more meaningful than 2 conf games. You just want to use UM's one bad game, and eliminate several bad or weak games for MSU. Sorry, that's not meaningful. Neither of you apparently no anything about statistical analysis.

Of course you are right!! Spot on.. Bulls-eye buckaroo!!.... Is that what you wanted to hear??

"Statistical Analysis" is much more accurate when one team plays a cupcake schedule and the others actually challenge themselves with some competition.... you are without question the smartest man here....

.... but one question.... if your "stats" are so accurate and so impressive, why are the griz sitting in 6th place in the conference? :thumb:

Pad your stats all you wish but eventually reality has to set in.....

Because we shit the bed against a conference oppenent on the road, and MSU did it against a non-conference one on the road. Comprende?

And you're right, reality will eventually set in like it always does for the paper tiger cats in November and December.

:lol: :thumb:

 

[Mousegriz]

I once or twice (maybe 5 or 10 times) posted on Bobcat Nation......a couple messages about "ranked #1 but then not making the semis in the playoffs" comments. I was banned almost instantly. Why don't we send "observer" down the road to play on the EWU board?

 

[PlayerRep]

Because 2 games isn't enough for a valid statistical analysis. Not meaningful yet. After 5 or 6 games, then meaningful. Also, wins/losses are not what I consider stats. Very important, but not stats, in my parlance. Again, 2 games of conference play/stats are not meaningful. It's not true that they provide valid comparison.

Nope, you are dead wrong, as you normally are. 6/5 games of stats are becoming quite meaningful. Picking 2 games out of 6 is what is truly meaningful. You are just being silly.

Actually with all due respect, Chester is correct. The non-con games do not nearly provide the leveled playing field from which stats can be accurately compared. Some teams choose to play cupcake teams, while others choose to play FBS teams thus it is impossible to accurately look at the stats.

The ONLY way to observe proper stats is thru the conference games where the competition is leveled for the field... with all due respect, you are wrong AGAIN!!

But again, the only stat Mr. little brother needs to be concerned with is the won/loss column in conference play....

you and Chester are completely wrong. 6 games of stats, almost half a season, are far more meaningful than 2 conf games. You just want to use UM's one bad game, and eliminate several bad or weak games for MSU. Sorry, that's not meaningful. Neither of you apparently no anything about statistical analysis.

Of course you are right!! Spot on.. Bulls-eye buckaroo!!.... Is that what you wanted to hear??

"Statistical Analysis" is much more accurate when one team plays a cupcake schedule and the others actually challenge themselves with some competition.... you are without question the smartest man here....

.... but one question.... if your "stats" are so accurate and so impressive, why are the griz sitting in 6th place in the conference? :thumb:

Pad your stats all you wish but eventually reality has to set in.....

Two games isn't statistical meaningful or otherwise meaningful. Check back at about game 5. Cats haven't played much of a schedule either, if you don't think PSU, ND, App St and NAU are any good. PSU is probably better than SMU. I doubt that SMU could have come within a TD of Cal. Also, I don't view wins/losses as stats. They are very important, but what I consider stats per see.

 

[Walkon79]

I think you need to do some more research. He is fine!! Again thank the cats for saving face for all of montana.

From the ESPN game summary:

McGhee was injured early in the fourth quarter and didn't return. He finished 7 of 18 for just 72 yards and an interception. It was his first interception of the season. He ran for 36 yards on eight carries.

So you believe everything you read on face value? You probably still think the griz have a solid D based on what you read after the opsu game.

Well, I'll believe what I read in ESPN over the drivel you post.

How bout your own Colter Nuanez

"Montana State held a 29-point lead, but DeNarius McGhee would not stop pestering Rob Ash.

With a little more than 12 minutes to play in No. 8 Montana State’s 36-7 win over No. 15 Northern Arizona, Montana State’s star quarterback got planted by an NAU pass rusher. McGhee, who missed three weeks and two starts with a separated right (throwing) shoulder, jogged gingerly to the sidelines. A few plays later, he was begging Ash to let him return to the game.

“He’s fine,” Montana State’s seventh-year head coach said during the post-game press conference. “He came off, he wanted to go back in. He was driving me crazy wanting to go back in. I said, ‘No, Jake (Bleskin) will be fine, he can hand the ball off, DeNarius.”