Two Game Suspension...

[grizcycling]

Amazing how fast Haslam and Stitt abandon one of their own when no charges have even been filed. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? No family here! Just talk! We need to make a couple changes immediately!!!

He is not a family member, and he's not "one of their own." He's not their child, he is a college student-athlete, who has the ability to exercise reason, use discretion and exhibit self-control. He is not innocent, he is guilty of of violating the student conduct code by fighting, by his own admission. He hasn't been abandoned by the team or the athletic department, he has been disciplined appropriately for his infraction.

I swear, i_the_sky, you're the most genuinely, sincerely, cluelessly irrational person I've encountered on this site, and that is saying a helluva lot.

Ringneck, you represent your fan base well. You should take pride in a high standard of athlete conduct. I am embarrassed when a Bobcat athlete engages in criminal behavior.

The rest of you guys should know that you while it is understandable to have rose colored glasses for your team, in light of the the evidence, including Strong's own testimony, you sound borderline dilusional to people from the outside.

Well, I appreciate that, DriscollCat. I guess I believe that being a part of a fan base is of minimal importance compared to being a person of integrity. By virtue of his association with the University, Justin Strong is bound to adhere to the student and student-athlete codes of conduct. It is apparent that he has failed to do so, on at least one count.

According to the handbooks, AD Haslem and Coach Stitt did the right thing by suspending him. They should be applauded, not chastised, for responding deliberately (but not hastily), decisively and appropriately. The last thing the football program or University needs is another bloody scandal wrapped around the mismanagement of a student-athlete's indiscretions.

It should not matter who the player is, what sport he/she plays, or how important he/she is to the team. As an institution - or as an individual - if you don't have your integrity, it doesn't matter what else you do have.

Hey Ringneck,
Would you please run for political office? We need people who have integrity and clear-minded honesty

 

[EverettGriz]

There are many, many of us on here who have integrity. Sadly, we're just shouted down by the few who do not.

 

[Fushiznitz]

This is extremely sexist and I'm also offended that you assumed his gender.

Gender-neutral pronouns, please. I am feeling triggered, and have no safe space nearby.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

This is extremely sexist and I'm also offended that you assumed his gender.

Gender-neutral pronouns, please. I am feeling triggered, and have no safe space nearby.

My bad. I'm offended that they assumed their gender, especially when they said they don't believe life is binary. It's truly despicable to see this kind of sexist behavior out of them.

 

[PlayerRep]

Ringneck, you represent your fan base well. You should take pride in a high standard of athlete conduct. I am embarrassed when a Bobcat athlete engages in criminal behavior.

The rest of you guys should know that you while it is understandable to have rose colored glasses for your team, in light of the the evidence, including Strong's own testimony, you sound borderline dilusional to people from the outside.

Well, I appreciate that, DriscollCat. I guess I believe that being a part of a fan base is of minimal importance compared to being a person of integrity. By virtue of his association with the University, Justin Strong is bound to adhere to the student and student-athlete codes of conduct. It is apparent that he has failed to do so, on at least one count.

According to the handbooks, AD Haslem and Coach Stitt did the right thing by suspending him. They should be applauded, not chastised, for responding deliberately (but not hastily), decisively and appropriately. The last thing the football program or University needs is another bloody scandal wrapped around the mismanagement of a student-athlete's indiscretions.

It should not matter who the player is, what sport he/she plays, or how important he/she is to the team. As an institution - or as an individual - if you don't have your integrity, it doesn't matter what else you do have.

Not sure I understand what you mean by "integrity" in this situation. Not sure everyone would agree on what integrity is in college sports.

I think lots of schools/programs have a lot of things, even if they don't have integrity. For example, Miami may have lacked integrity, but they sure got a bunch of national championships. Does UNC have integrity (thinking of their basketball academic scandal)? They sure have a lot of championships and tradition.

PR, do you really not understand what integrity is, or are you just being argumentative? I honestly can't tell.

Look, people, integrity isn't situational. It doesn't come in varying degrees or shades depending on who you are or the circumstances you face. You can't sorta have integrity, or have it sometimes, or have it in one area of life but not in another. You either have integrity or you don't. It's developed through consistent ethical behavior that aligns with your values and guiding principles.

I'm suggesting that in regards to this incident, U of M athletics, Kent Haslem, Bob Stitt, and the football program are all exhibiting integrity because even though this particular situation might tempt some people to fudge on their principles for the sake of competition or stakeholder approval, they have chosen to do the right (though perhaps unpopular) thing.

In regards to Miami's and North Carolina's achievements in spite of their lack of integrity: We speak of those programs or institutions as though they were impersonal objects, but each unethical decision was made by a person or a group of people who now have to live with the consequences of those decisions. Winning at all costs ruins people's reputations, careers, and lives. The end does not justify the means. People are gaining the world but losing their souls. They're fools.

Of course, I know what integrity is. But, I asked what you meant by "integrity in this situation" is. Did you really not understand that I was asking about something more than just plain integrity? Did you really think that asking a question is being argumentative is?

Are you saying that if the department doesn't suspend Strong for 2 games now, that it lacks integrity? I still don't understand why you seem to know what integrity is in this situation. You can't possibly have all of the relevant facts. Personally, while I am perfectly fine with what UM has announced it is doing, I would probably have been fine with other actions too. You seem to think that "principles" would have been sacrificed if UM had taken a lesser action. I don't.

If UM had suspended Strong for only 1 game, would the program still have integrity, in your view? If UM had announced that it would make its decision after gathering more information and seeing what the Pullman authorities were going to do, would the program not have integrity, in your view?

I agree with much of your last paragraph, but you had said that athletic programs don't have anything is they don't have integrity, and I was trying point out that lots of programs that may not have integrity, or complete integrity, do in fact have lots of big and important things.

Just discussing finer points, and trying to figure out what you were saying.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

Pretty soon you guys are going to be arguing over what the meaning of the word"is" is. :lol: :roll:

 

[MTGRZ]

Didn't we have a LB suspended a game or two for fighting a few years ago? Gamboa?

Didn't he get cited by the cops for the incident, and it made the paper?

http://missoulian.com/news/local/griz-lb-gamboa-suspended-for-season-opener-after-arrest/article_3b0d9da1-e6bb-56a1-a0f8-c0fe0eb8cf69.html

 

[Ringneck]

Hey Ringneck,
Would you please run for political office? We need people who have integrity and clear-minded honesty

I have served in local government and I enjoyed it very much. Most people holding office are good people with good intentions. But it's the shysters and scoundrels who give everyone a bad name.

 

[ordigger]

Pretty soon you guys are going to be arguing over what the meaning of the word"is" is. :lol: :roll:

Si

I am confused.

 

[Ringneck]

Well, I appreciate that, DriscollCat. I guess I believe that being a part of a fan base is of minimal importance compared to being a person of integrity. By virtue of his association with the University, Justin Strong is bound to adhere to the student and student-athlete codes of conduct. It is apparent that he has failed to do so, on at least one count.

According to the handbooks, AD Haslem and Coach Stitt did the right thing by suspending him. They should be applauded, not chastised, for responding deliberately (but not hastily), decisively and appropriately. The last thing the football program or University needs is another bloody scandal wrapped around the mismanagement of a student-athlete's indiscretions.

It should not matter who the player is, what sport he/she plays, or how important he/she is to the team. As an institution - or as an individual - if you don't have your integrity, it doesn't matter what else you do have.

Not sure I understand what you mean by "integrity" in this situation. Not sure everyone would agree on what integrity is in college sports.

I think lots of schools/programs have a lot of things, even if they don't have integrity. For example, Miami may have lacked integrity, but they sure got a bunch of national championships. Does UNC have integrity (thinking of their basketball academic scandal)? They sure have a lot of championships and tradition.

PR, do you really not understand what integrity is, or are you just being argumentative? I honestly can't tell.

Look, people, integrity isn't situational. It doesn't come in varying degrees or shades depending on who you are or the circumstances you face. You can't sorta have integrity, or have it sometimes, or have it in one area of life but not in another. You either have integrity or you don't. It's developed through consistent ethical behavior that aligns with your values and guiding principles.

I'm suggesting that in regards to this incident, U of M athletics, Kent Haslem, Bob Stitt, and the football program are all exhibiting integrity because even though this particular situation might tempt some people to fudge on their principles for the sake of competition or stakeholder approval, they have chosen to do the right (though perhaps unpopular) thing.

In regards to Miami's and North Carolina's achievements in spite of their lack of integrity: We speak of those programs or institutions as though they were impersonal objects, but each unethical decision was made by a person or a group of people who now have to live with the consequences of those decisions. Winning at all costs ruins people's reputations, careers, and lives. The end does not justify the means. People are gaining the world but losing their souls. They're fools.

Of course, I know what integrity is. But, I asked what you meant by "integrity in this situation" is. Did you really not understand that I was asking about something more than just plain integrity? Did you really think that asking a question is being argumentative is?

Are you saying that if the department doesn't suspend Strong for 2 games now, that it lacks integrity? I still don't understand why you seem to know what integrity is in this situation. You can't possibly have all of the relevant facts. Personally, while I am perfectly fine with what UM has announced it is doing, I would probably have been fine with other actions too. You seem to think that "principles" would have been sacrificed if UM had taken a lesser action. I don't.

If UM had suspended Strong for only 1 game, would the program still have integrity, in your view? If UM had announced that it would make its decision after gathering more information and seeing what the Pullman authorities were going to do, would the program not have integrity, in your view?

I agree with much of your last paragraph, but you had said that athletic programs don't have anything is they don't have integrity, and I was trying point out that lots of programs that may not have integrity, or complete integrity, do in fact have lots of big and important things.

Just discussing finer points, and trying to figure out what you were saying.

This discussion could go on forever, which doesn't appeal to me. So I'll make one final response and then move on.

First of all, I'm not suggesting that you lack integrity. I will be honest and admit that I am suggesting that fans who desire the coach, AD, or other University officials to turn a blind eye or give preferential treatment to Justin Strong in this case probably do lack integrity.

My claim that the relevant University personnel acted with integrity has nothing to do with the length of the suspension given. Nor am I making the claim based on my knowledge of the legal facts of the situation.

I am saying that they acted with integrity because their response to the situation is consistent with their team, departmental, and institutional values. No, a lesser suspension wouldn't necessarily negate their integrity. No, a longer suspension wouldn't necessarily reinforce their integrity. No, additionally revealed facts wouldn't change my opinion of this. Based on the information they had, in light of their principles, and in keeping with the expectations and repercussions set forth in the student-athlete handbook, they did the right thing. And for that, I applaud them.

Go Griz.

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

Weber State senior quarterback Stefan Cantwell on Strong's suspension and the influence on the game plan

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SkylineSportsMT/status/923774531524747264[/tweet]

 

[AZGrizFan]

What would the feminine mentality be?

Feel free to reference basically any case where a woman gets sexually assaulted, domestically assaulted, etc.

Gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say most don't instantly react violently

not saying it's correct. I just find it humorous that the instant conflict resolution plan among men is to fight.

You've heard of "fight or flight" I presume?

I have. I don't believe life to be binary tho

Well thousands of psychologists would disagree with you.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well, I appreciate that, DriscollCat. I guess I believe that being a part of a fan base is of minimal importance compared to being a person of integrity. By virtue of his association with the University, Justin Strong is bound to adhere to the student and student-athlete codes of conduct. It is apparent that he has failed to do so, on at least one count.

According to the handbooks, AD Haslem and Coach Stitt did the right thing by suspending him. They should be applauded, not chastised, for responding deliberately (but not hastily), decisively and appropriately. The last thing the football program or University needs is another bloody scandal wrapped around the mismanagement of a student-athlete's indiscretions.

It should not matter who the player is, what sport he/she plays, or how important he/she is to the team. As an institution - or as an individual - if you don't have your integrity, it doesn't matter what else you do have.

Not sure I understand what you mean by "integrity" in this situation. Not sure everyone would agree on what integrity is in college sports.

I think lots of schools/programs have a lot of things, even if they don't have integrity. For example, Miami may have lacked integrity, but they sure got a bunch of national championships. Does UNC have integrity (thinking of their basketball academic scandal)? They sure have a lot of championships and tradition.

PR, do you really not understand what integrity is, or are you just being argumentative? I honestly can't tell.

Look, people, integrity isn't situational. It doesn't come in varying degrees or shades depending on who you are or the circumstances you face. You can't sorta have integrity, or have it sometimes, or have it in one area of life but not in another. You either have integrity or you don't. It's developed through consistent ethical behavior that aligns with your values and guiding principles.

I'm suggesting that in regards to this incident, U of M athletics, Kent Haslem, Bob Stitt, and the football program are all exhibiting integrity because even though this particular situation might tempt some people to fudge on their principles for the sake of competition or stakeholder approval, they have chosen to do the right (though perhaps unpopular) thing.

In regards to Miami's and North Carolina's achievements in spite of their lack of integrity: We speak of those programs or institutions as though they were impersonal objects, but each unethical decision was made by a person or a group of people who now have to live with the consequences of those decisions. Winning at all costs ruins people's reputations, careers, and lives. The end does not justify the means. People are gaining the world but losing their souls. They're fools.

Of course, I know what integrity is. But, I asked what you meant by "integrity in this situation" is. Did you really not understand that I was asking about something more than just plain integrity? Did you really think that asking a question is being argumentative is?

Are you saying that if the department doesn't suspend Strong for 2 games now, that it lacks integrity? I still don't understand why you seem to know what integrity is in this situation. You can't possibly have all of the relevant facts. Personally, while I am perfectly fine with what UM has announced it is doing, I would probably have been fine with other actions too. You seem to think that "principles" would have been sacrificed if UM had taken a lesser action. I don't.

If UM had suspended Strong for only 1 game, would the program still have integrity, in your view? If UM had announced that it would make its decision after gathering more information and seeing what the Pullman authorities were going to do, would the program not have integrity, in your view?

I agree with much of your last paragraph, but you had said that athletic programs don't have anything is they don't have integrity, and I was trying point out that lots of programs that may not have integrity, or complete integrity, do in fact have lots of big and important things.

Just discussing finer points, and trying to figure out what you were saying.

Hey butt nuggets...if I wanted to reread Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance again, i would. Enough with the "integrity" discussion....

 

[PlayerRep]

Not sure I understand what you mean by "integrity" in this situation. Not sure everyone would agree on what integrity is in college sports.

I think lots of schools/programs have a lot of things, even if they don't have integrity. For example, Miami may have lacked integrity, but they sure got a bunch of national championships. Does UNC have integrity (thinking of their basketball academic scandal)? They sure have a lot of championships and tradition.

PR, do you really not understand what integrity is, or are you just being argumentative? I honestly can't tell.

Look, people, integrity isn't situational. It doesn't come in varying degrees or shades depending on who you are or the circumstances you face. You can't sorta have integrity, or have it sometimes, or have it in one area of life but not in another. You either have integrity or you don't. It's developed through consistent ethical behavior that aligns with your values and guiding principles.

I'm suggesting that in regards to this incident, U of M athletics, Kent Haslem, Bob Stitt, and the football program are all exhibiting integrity because even though this particular situation might tempt some people to fudge on their principles for the sake of competition or stakeholder approval, they have chosen to do the right (though perhaps unpopular) thing.

In regards to Miami's and North Carolina's achievements in spite of their lack of integrity: We speak of those programs or institutions as though they were impersonal objects, but each unethical decision was made by a person or a group of people who now have to live with the consequences of those decisions. Winning at all costs ruins people's reputations, careers, and lives. The end does not justify the means. People are gaining the world but losing their souls. They're fools.

Of course, I know what integrity is. But, I asked what you meant by "integrity in this situation" is. Did you really not understand that I was asking about something more than just plain integrity? Did you really think that asking a question is being argumentative is?

Are you saying that if the department doesn't suspend Strong for 2 games now, that it lacks integrity? I still don't understand why you seem to know what integrity is in this situation. You can't possibly have all of the relevant facts. Personally, while I am perfectly fine with what UM has announced it is doing, I would probably have been fine with other actions too. You seem to think that "principles" would have been sacrificed if UM had taken a lesser action. I don't.

If UM had suspended Strong for only 1 game, would the program still have integrity, in your view? If UM had announced that it would make its decision after gathering more information and seeing what the Pullman authorities were going to do, would the program not have integrity, in your view?

I agree with much of your last paragraph, but you had said that athletic programs don't have anything is they don't have integrity, and I was trying point out that lots of programs that may not have integrity, or complete integrity, do in fact have lots of big and important things.

Just discussing finer points, and trying to figure out what you were saying.

This discussion could go on forever, which doesn't appeal to me. So I'll make one final response and then move on.

First of all, I'm not suggesting that you lack integrity. I will be honest and admit that I am suggesting that fans who desire the coach, AD, or other University officials to turn a blind eye or give preferential treatment to Justin Strong in this case probably do lack integrity.

My claim that the relevant University personnel acted with integrity has nothing to do with the length of the suspension given. Nor am I making the claim based on my knowledge of the legal facts of the situation.

I am saying that they acted with integrity because their response to the situation is consistent with their team, departmental, and institutional values. No, a lesser suspension wouldn't necessarily negate their integrity. No, a longer suspension wouldn't necessarily reinforce their integrity. No, additionally revealed facts wouldn't change my opinion of this. Based on the information they had, in light of their principles, and in keeping with the expectations and repercussions set forth in the student-athlete handbook, they did the right thing. And for that, I applaud them.

Go Griz.

Thanks.I am good with that.

 

[PlayerRep]

Not sure I understand what you mean by "integrity" in this situation. Not sure everyone would agree on what integrity is in college sports.

I think lots of schools/programs have a lot of things, even if they don't have integrity. For example, Miami may have lacked integrity, but they sure got a bunch of national championships. Does UNC have integrity (thinking of their basketball academic scandal)? They sure have a lot of championships and tradition.

PR, do you really not understand what integrity is, or are you just being argumentative? I honestly can't tell.

Look, people, integrity isn't situational. It doesn't come in varying degrees or shades depending on who you are or the circumstances you face. You can't sorta have integrity, or have it sometimes, or have it in one area of life but not in another. You either have integrity or you don't. It's developed through consistent ethical behavior that aligns with your values and guiding principles.

I'm suggesting that in regards to this incident, U of M athletics, Kent Haslem, Bob Stitt, and the football program are all exhibiting integrity because even though this particular situation might tempt some people to fudge on their principles for the sake of competition or stakeholder approval, they have chosen to do the right (though perhaps unpopular) thing.

In regards to Miami's and North Carolina's achievements in spite of their lack of integrity: We speak of those programs or institutions as though they were impersonal objects, but each unethical decision was made by a person or a group of people who now have to live with the consequences of those decisions. Winning at all costs ruins people's reputations, careers, and lives. The end does not justify the means. People are gaining the world but losing their souls. They're fools.

Of course, I know what integrity is. But, I asked what you meant by "integrity in this situation" is. Did you really not understand that I was asking about something more than just plain integrity? Did you really think that asking a question is being argumentative is?

Are you saying that if the department doesn't suspend Strong for 2 games now, that it lacks integrity? I still don't understand why you seem to know what integrity is in this situation. You can't possibly have all of the relevant facts. Personally, while I am perfectly fine with what UM has announced it is doing, I would probably have been fine with other actions too. You seem to think that "principles" would have been sacrificed if UM had taken a lesser action. I don't.

If UM had suspended Strong for only 1 game, would the program still have integrity, in your view? If UM had announced that it would make its decision after gathering more information and seeing what the Pullman authorities were going to do, would the program not have integrity, in your view?

I agree with much of your last paragraph, but you had said that athletic programs don't have anything is they don't have integrity, and I was trying point out that lots of programs that may not have integrity, or complete integrity, do in fact have lots of big and important things.

Just discussing finer points, and trying to figure out what you were saying.

Hey butt nuggets...if I wanted to reread Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance again, i would. Enough with the "integrity" discussion....

I loved the book. Ended in Bozeman with the DeWeese family. Gretchen DeWeese was in my high school class. Have no idea if there was any connection. Just in process of getting good books for Cole Bergquist. He asked for books that I loved. Liars Poker, Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, Zen. Haven't decided on 4th one. Maybe One Flew Over Cuckoo's Next, Bell Jar, Diary of a Part Time Indian, Godfather. Give me some ideas. Was going to get him 4 or 5. Cole apparently reads a lot.

 

[Ursa Major]

PR, do you really not understand what integrity is, or are you just being argumentative? I honestly can't tell.

Look, people, integrity isn't situational. It doesn't come in varying degrees or shades depending on who you are or the circumstances you face. You can't sorta have integrity, or have it sometimes, or have it in one area of life but not in another. You either have integrity or you don't. It's developed through consistent ethical behavior that aligns with your values and guiding principles.

I'm suggesting that in regards to this incident, U of M athletics, Kent Haslem, Bob Stitt, and the football program are all exhibiting integrity because even though this particular situation might tempt some people to fudge on their principles for the sake of competition or stakeholder approval, they have chosen to do the right (though perhaps unpopular) thing.

In regards to Miami's and North Carolina's achievements in spite of their lack of integrity: We speak of those programs or institutions as though they were impersonal objects, but each unethical decision was made by a person or a group of people who now have to live with the consequences of those decisions. Winning at all costs ruins people's reputations, careers, and lives. The end does not justify the means. People are gaining the world but losing their souls. They're fools.

Of course, I know what integrity is. But, I asked what you meant by "integrity in this situation" is. Did you really not understand that I was asking about something more than just plain integrity? Did you really think that asking a question is being argumentative is?

Are you saying that if the department doesn't suspend Strong for 2 games now, that it lacks integrity? I still don't understand why you seem to know what integrity is in this situation. You can't possibly have all of the relevant facts. Personally, while I am perfectly fine with what UM has announced it is doing, I would probably have been fine with other actions too. You seem to think that "principles" would have been sacrificed if UM had taken a lesser action. I don't.

If UM had suspended Strong for only 1 game, would the program still have integrity, in your view? If UM had announced that it would make its decision after gathering more information and seeing what the Pullman authorities were going to do, would the program not have integrity, in your view?

I agree with much of your last paragraph, but you had said that athletic programs don't have anything is they don't have integrity, and I was trying point out that lots of programs that may not have integrity, or complete integrity, do in fact have lots of big and important things.

Just discussing finer points, and trying to figure out what you were saying.

Hey butt nuggets...if I wanted to reread Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance again, i would. Enough with the "integrity" discussion....

I loved the book. Ended in Bozeman with the DeWeese family. Gretchen DeWeese was in my high school class. Have no idea if there was any connection. Just in process of getting good books for Cole Bergquist. He asked for books that I loved. Liars Poker, Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, Zen. Haven't decided on 4th one. Maybe One Flew Over Cuckoo's Next, Bell Jar, Diary of a Part Time Indian, Godfather. Give me some ideas. Was going to get him 4 or 5. Cole apparently reads a lot.

 

[Ursus1]

Just don't give him Krakauer's book where you are quoted being WRONG defending a now convicted rapist.

 

[CFallsGriz]

Hypothetically, if he doesn’t get charged with a crime because it was determined he was defending himself, if he wasn’t drinking, he committed no other crimes that we know of, what is he being suspended for?

I don't think "it was determined" more like he claimed self defense. Not sure how hitting a guy while he is trying to get up could be self defense.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/oct/23/university-of-montana-football-player-accused-of-a/

While I have no idea what actually transpired I could certainly imagine circumstances where striking a person while they are trying to get up would be part of a self defense tactic. Immobilize and contain the threat.

Although it's hard to establish what went down from a brief newspaper article I think it's unfair to assume that striking someone trying to get up could not be an act of self defense.

I would agree with most of that, but not after you turn on the jets and go after the guy w two buddies. We'll see what they find on that.


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[EverettGriz]

Of course, I know what integrity is. But, I asked what you meant by "integrity in this situation" is. Did you really not understand that I was asking about something more than just plain integrity? Did you really think that asking a question is being argumentative is?

Are you saying that if the department doesn't suspend Strong for 2 games now, that it lacks integrity? I still don't understand why you seem to know what integrity is in this situation. You can't possibly have all of the relevant facts. Personally, while I am perfectly fine with what UM has announced it is doing, I would probably have been fine with other actions too. You seem to think that "principles" would have been sacrificed if UM had taken a lesser action. I don't.

If UM had suspended Strong for only 1 game, would the program still have integrity, in your view? If UM had announced that it would make its decision after gathering more information and seeing what the Pullman authorities were going to do, would the program not have integrity, in your view?

I agree with much of your last paragraph, but you had said that athletic programs don't have anything is they don't have integrity, and I was trying point out that lots of programs that may not have integrity, or complete integrity, do in fact have lots of big and important things.

Just discussing finer points, and trying to figure out what you were saying.

Hey butt nuggets...if I wanted to reread Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance again, i would. Enough with the "integrity" discussion....

I loved the book. Ended in Bozeman with the DeWeese family. Gretchen DeWeese was in my high school class. Have no idea if there was any connection. Just in process of getting good books for Cole Bergquist. He asked for books that I loved. Liars Poker, Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, Zen. Haven't decided on 4th one. Maybe One Flew Over Cuckoo's Next, Bell Jar, Diary of a Part Time Indian, Godfather. Give me some ideas. Was going to get him 4 or 5. Cole apparently reads a lot.

:lol: :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap: :lol: :lol:


Going to be very difficult to top this as a POTY, gentlemen.

 

[bgbigdog]

Hey butt nuggets...if I wanted to reread Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance again, i would. Enough with the "integrity" discussion....

I loved the book. Ended in Bozeman with the DeWeese family. Gretchen DeWeese was in my high school class. Have no idea if there was any connection. Just in process of getting good books for Cole Bergquist. He asked for books that I loved. Liars Poker, Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, Zen. Haven't decided on 4th one. Maybe One Flew Over Cuckoo's Next, Bell Jar, Diary of a Part Time Indian, Godfather. Give me some ideas. Was going to get him 4 or 5. Cole apparently reads a lot.

:lol: :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap: :lol: :lol:


Going to be very difficult to top this as a POTY, gentlemen.

POTM - post of the millennium - & so nicely played Ursa. Now get back out there & hurry that fermentation along.