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Two Game Suspension...

I feel that if this is proven to have been self defense all the way, Justin Strong should not be suspended at all! However, the code book states what has to happen and it is happening. You can't take those suspension games back once they are played. I just wish this all wouldn't have happened at all, but it did.
I disagree with the suspension at this time and the school code book is wrong to implement without full facts. Or maybe all the facts are out and we on EGriz are not informed?
 
Bottom line is we are without the services of Strong this weekend so adjustments will be made in our defensive scheme and we move forward. To bad this week was spent discussing this and not on what will be a very good football game.
 
I hope Strahm and Epperly take someones head off! Griz need to power up! Shaw and Simms need sacks! I hope Sandry is healed, we are going to need him. OK wrong thread but, we have a game to play!
 
I love the masculine mentality...

"HOW COULD HE HAVE NOT FOUGHT?! HE HAD TO PUNCH HIM AND THEN PUNCH HIM AGAIN WHEN HE WAS GETTING UP! WHAT OTHER CHOICE DID HE HAVE?!"
 
go4two said:
Ringneck said:
PlayerRep said:
Ringneck said:
If in the scenario you bring up the matter was resolved without the need for law enforcement or medical attention, then I agree - no suspension would be warranted. If in that same scenario, the matter became public knowledge through an arrest or some similar event, then that seems to tip the scales towards it being conduct that "brings embarrassment to the team, the Department of Athletics, or the campus community." And in that case, a suspension seems appropriate.

Yup. Fighting may be okay, but fighting and get caught is not. Ha.
Pretty much, yes.

If the guy hadn't had to go to the hospital, no one would have ever known about this fight, and Strong would be playing this Saturday. I don't blame Strong at all. As others have stated, we all would have done the same if we got sucker punched.

No not all of us would have. I for one would have been knocked on my a$$ and would have never been able to get up to set the record straight. Congratulations to Strong for withstanding the punch.
 
Ringneck said:
DriscollCat said:
Ringneck said:
i_the_sky said:
Amazing how fast Haslam and Stitt abandon one of their own when no charges have even been filed. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? No family here! Just talk! We need to make a couple changes immediately!!!

He is not a family member, and he's not "one of their own." He's not their child, he is a college student-athlete, who has the ability to exercise reason, use discretion and exhibit self-control. He is not innocent, he is guilty of of violating the student conduct code by fighting, by his own admission. He hasn't been abandoned by the team or the athletic department, he has been disciplined appropriately for his infraction.

I swear, i_the_sky, you're the most genuinely, sincerely, cluelessly irrational person I've encountered on this site, and that is saying a helluva lot.

Ringneck, you represent your fan base well. You should take pride in a high standard of athlete conduct. I am embarrassed when a Bobcat athlete engages in criminal behavior.

The rest of you guys should know that you while it is understandable to have rose colored glasses for your team, in light of the the evidence, including Strong's own testimony, you sound borderline dilusional to people from the outside.

Well, I appreciate that, DriscollCat. I guess I believe that being a part of a fan base is of minimal importance compared to being a person of integrity. By virtue of his association with the University, Justin Strong is bound to adhere to the student and student-athlete codes of conduct. It is apparent that he has failed to do so, on at least one count.

According to the handbooks, AD Haslem and Coach Stitt did the right thing by suspending him. They should be applauded, not chastised, for responding deliberately (but not hastily), decisively and appropriately. The last thing the football program or University needs is another bloody scandal wrapped around the mismanagement of a student-athlete's indiscretions.

It should not matter who the player is, what sport he/she plays, or how important he/she is to the team. As an institution - or as an individual - if you don't have your integrity, it doesn't matter what else you do have.

Not sure I understand what you mean by "integrity" in this situation. Not sure everyone would agree on what integrity is in college sports.

I think lots of schools/programs have a lot of things, even if they don't have integrity. For example, Miami may have lacked integrity, but they sure got a bunch of national championships. Does UNC have integrity (thinking of their basketball academic scandal)? They sure have a lot of championships and tradition.
 
Eriul said:
I love the masculine mentality...

"HOW COULD HE HAVE NOT FOUGHT?! HE HAD TO PUNCH HIM AND THEN PUNCH HIM AGAIN WHEN HE WAS GETTING UP! WHAT OTHER CHOICE DID HE HAVE?!"

What would the feminine mentality be?
 
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
I love the masculine mentality...

"HOW COULD HE HAVE NOT FOUGHT?! HE HAD TO PUNCH HIM AND THEN PUNCH HIM AGAIN WHEN HE WAS GETTING UP! WHAT OTHER CHOICE DID HE HAVE?!"

What would the feminine mentality be?

Feel free to reference basically any case where a woman gets sexually assaulted, domestically assaulted, etc.

Gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say most don't instantly react violently

not saying it's correct. I just find it humorous that the instant conflict resolution plan among men is to fight.
 
Eriul said:
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
I love the masculine mentality...

"HOW COULD HE HAVE NOT FOUGHT?! HE HAD TO PUNCH HIM AND THEN PUNCH HIM AGAIN WHEN HE WAS GETTING UP! WHAT OTHER CHOICE DID HE HAVE?!"

What would the feminine mentality be?

Feel free to reference basically any case where a woman gets sexually assaulted, domestically assaulted, etc.

Gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say most don't instantly react violently

not saying it's correct. I just find it humorous that the instant conflict resolution plan among men is to fight.

You've heard of "fight or flight" I presume?
 
AZGrizFan said:
Eriul said:
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
I love the masculine mentality...

"HOW COULD HE HAVE NOT FOUGHT?! HE HAD TO PUNCH HIM AND THEN PUNCH HIM AGAIN WHEN HE WAS GETTING UP! WHAT OTHER CHOICE DID HE HAVE?!"

What would the feminine mentality be?

Feel free to reference basically any case where a woman gets sexually assaulted, domestically assaulted, etc.

Gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say most don't instantly react violently

not saying it's correct. I just find it humorous that the instant conflict resolution plan among men is to fight.

You've heard of "fight or flight" I presume?


I have. I don't believe life to be binary tho
 
Ever here that song by Kenny Rogers, Coward of the county? Turn the other cheek...and some times you have to fight when your a man? Choose the part of the song that fits for each situation. Some times fighting to prove your a man is the wrong choice and some times turning the other cheek is the wrong choice...so WTF?
 
Eriul said:
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
I love the masculine mentality...

"HOW COULD HE HAVE NOT FOUGHT?! HE HAD TO PUNCH HIM AND THEN PUNCH HIM AGAIN WHEN HE WAS GETTING UP! WHAT OTHER CHOICE DID HE HAVE?!"

What would the feminine mentality be?

Feel free to reference basically any case where a woman gets sexually assaulted, domestically assaulted, etc.

Gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say most don't instantly react violently

not saying it's correct. I just find it humorous that the instant conflict resolution plan among men is to fight.

I understand your initial point and observation, but don't think the comparison to a woman being assaulted sexually or domestically is quite applicable.

I don't think all men react this way, just real men. Ha.

My former Army Ranger and rugby-playing son taught his little sister how to defend herself, and punch (in a manner adapted from close combat situations). She dropped a drunk guy at a bar a few years ago, after he was harassing her and her friends and grabbed her friends butt. One punch. She's new a big city lawyer, and still playing rugby.
 
PlayerRep said:
Ringneck said:
DriscollCat said:
Ringneck said:
He is not a family member, and he's not "one of their own." He's not their child, he is a college student-athlete, who has the ability to exercise reason, use discretion and exhibit self-control. He is not innocent, he is guilty of of violating the student conduct code by fighting, by his own admission. He hasn't been abandoned by the team or the athletic department, he has been disciplined appropriately for his infraction.

I swear, i_the_sky, you're the most genuinely, sincerely, cluelessly irrational person I've encountered on this site, and that is saying a helluva lot.

Ringneck, you represent your fan base well. You should take pride in a high standard of athlete conduct. I am embarrassed when a Bobcat athlete engages in criminal behavior.

The rest of you guys should know that you while it is understandable to have rose colored glasses for your team, in light of the the evidence, including Strong's own testimony, you sound borderline dilusional to people from the outside.

Well, I appreciate that, DriscollCat. I guess I believe that being a part of a fan base is of minimal importance compared to being a person of integrity. By virtue of his association with the University, Justin Strong is bound to adhere to the student and student-athlete codes of conduct. It is apparent that he has failed to do so, on at least one count.

According to the handbooks, AD Haslem and Coach Stitt did the right thing by suspending him. They should be applauded, not chastised, for responding deliberately (but not hastily), decisively and appropriately. The last thing the football program or University needs is another bloody scandal wrapped around the mismanagement of a student-athlete's indiscretions.

It should not matter who the player is, what sport he/she plays, or how important he/she is to the team. As an institution - or as an individual - if you don't have your integrity, it doesn't matter what else you do have.

Not sure I understand what you mean by "integrity" in this situation. Not sure everyone would agree on what integrity is in college sports.

I think lots of schools/programs have a lot of things, even if they don't have integrity. For example, Miami may have lacked integrity, but they sure got a bunch of national championships. Does UNC have integrity (thinking of their basketball academic scandal)? They sure have a lot of championships and tradition.

PR, do you really not understand what integrity is, or are you just being argumentative? I honestly can't tell.

Look, people, integrity isn't situational. It doesn't come in varying degrees or shades depending on who you are or the circumstances you face. You can't sorta have integrity, or have it sometimes, or have it in one area of life but not in another. You either have integrity or you don't. It's developed through consistent ethical behavior that aligns with your values and guiding principles.

I'm suggesting that in regards to this incident, U of M athletics, Kent Haslem, Bob Stitt, and the football program are all exhibiting integrity because even though this particular situation might tempt some people to fudge on their principles for the sake of competition or stakeholder approval, they have chosen to do the right (though perhaps unpopular) thing.

In regards to Miami's and North Carolina's achievements in spite of their lack of integrity: We speak of those programs or institutions as though they were impersonal objects, but each unethical decision was made by a person or a group of people who now have to live with the consequences of those decisions. Winning at all costs ruins people's reputations, careers, and lives. The end does not justify the means. People are gaining the world but losing their souls. They're fools.
 
reinell30 said:
I feel that if this is proven to have been self defense all the way, Justin Strong should not be suspended at all! However, the code book states what has to happen and it is happening. You can't take those suspension games back once they are played. I just wish this all wouldn't have happened at all, but it did.
I disagree with the suspension at this time and the school code book is wrong to implement without full facts. Or maybe all the facts are out and we on EGriz are not informed?

I agree with this in general. Hard to suspend someone for not being charged, or if really was self defense. As was said earlier or a different thread, the fight itself was the reason for the 2 games I think. Pretty sure if there are real charges filed, he's done regardless if he ends up "guilty of anything". I mean, JJ was kicked out of school for something found to be false by a jury. Just how this rolls. I wish that the suspension could be 2 games, but if no charges filed, reduced to 1 based on facts. I'm not sure a fight itself, when not intoxicated, is 2 game worthy.
 
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
I love the masculine mentality...

"HOW COULD HE HAVE NOT FOUGHT?! HE HAD TO PUNCH HIM AND THEN PUNCH HIM AGAIN WHEN HE WAS GETTING UP! WHAT OTHER CHOICE DID HE HAVE?!"

What would the feminine mentality be?

Feel free to reference basically any case where a woman gets sexually assaulted, domestically assaulted, etc.

Gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say most don't instantly react violently

not saying it's correct. I just find it humorous that the instant conflict resolution plan among men is to fight.

I understand your initial point and observation, but don't think the comparison to a woman being assaulted sexually or domestically is quite applicable.

I don't think all men react this way, just real men. Ha.

My former Army Ranger and rugby-playing son taught his little sister how to defend herself, and punch (in a manner adapted from close combat situations). She dropped a drunk guy at a bar a few years ago, after he was harassing her and her friends and grabbed her friends butt. One punch. She's new a big city lawyer, and still playing rugby.


I could not disagree more
 
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
I love the masculine mentality...

"HOW COULD HE HAVE NOT FOUGHT?! HE HAD TO PUNCH HIM AND THEN PUNCH HIM AGAIN WHEN HE WAS GETTING UP! WHAT OTHER CHOICE DID HE HAVE?!"

What would the feminine mentality be?

Feel free to reference basically any case where a woman gets sexually assaulted, domestically assaulted, etc.

Gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say most don't instantly react violently

not saying it's correct. I just find it humorous that the instant conflict resolution plan among men is to fight.

I understand your initial point and observation, but don't think the comparison to a woman being assaulted sexually or domestically is quite applicable.

I don't think all men react this way, just real men. Ha.

My former Army Ranger and rugby-playing son taught his little sister how to defend herself, and punch (in a manner adapted from close combat situations). She dropped a drunk guy at a bar a few years ago, after he was harassing her and her friends and grabbed her friends butt. One punch. She's new a big city lawyer, and still playing rugby.

How does she like Butte?
 
Eriul said:
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
I love the masculine mentality...

"HOW COULD HE HAVE NOT FOUGHT?! HE HAD TO PUNCH HIM AND THEN PUNCH HIM AGAIN WHEN HE WAS GETTING UP! WHAT OTHER CHOICE DID HE HAVE?!"

What would the feminine mentality be?

Feel free to reference basically any case where a woman gets sexually assaulted, domestically assaulted, etc.

Gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say most don't instantly react violently

not saying it's correct. I just find it humorous that the instant conflict resolution plan among men is to fight.

This is extremely sexist and I'm also offended that you assumed his gender.
 
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