This team could have the most pro-prospects...

[BWahlberg]

This thread is problematical, if not stupid. C'mon, BW, you've already been accused of sugar coating, and this proves it. Who are you? Mel Kiper, for god's sake? Granted, you have forgotten more about football than I'll ever know, but REALLY. So, you think these guys are of the caliber of carpenter, mariani, schillinger, biermann, etc. I'm not saying they aren't, but it's too early to tell, altho I have some picks from the ones you cite.

From all reports, Tru is the man. Opperud & Burton: Difficult to believe an NFL team wants an injury-prone OL like Opperrud, but if Horn did it, then what can I say? Altho Horn is on a Bears practice squad & you may only be talking about those who MAKE it to the NFL, not those who actually PLAY in NFL games. Fair enough. As to Burton, he may do well.

All I can say is you should compare Sabin to Verlanic, who did not get to the NFL for perhaps reasons other than his talent. Verlanic was a helluva center & the OL succeeded to the degree he did. Sabin better than Verlanic? Am impressed w/ the WRs, esp. Atkins w/ that TD catch, holding the ball to his helmet. That's talent no NFL scout can overlook. Moore is a cipher, far as I'm concerned. You've seen him, I haven't. Like I said, you do a lot of sugar-coating, here. Christ, why do you bring up Duncan? You said it best: He's a long shot. Why waste time on this?

I'm not going to waste any more time on responding to this ridiculous thread. All I see as definite NFL prospects are Tru, Atkins, and maybe McKnight, if he has a good year. He has to be at least as good as Carpenter, you know.

BW, we all love your feedback on Griz scrimmages, on games, on all your insights into Griz football, but this goes over the top. You have given your opinion re: likely NFL prospects on this 2011 team, but to say, "The most pro-prospects" is over the top.

I was hoping by saying repeatedly that this is a sugary best-case scenario people would get it, however there's always those few who don't get the hint.

D2 are you just upset that that a post-Hauck team could have the potential to produce more pro prospects? Even though most of these guys are Hauck recruits...

 

[GrizDDS]

I see Johnson with an outside chance of Middleton.

I don't think any of the O-line is on the radar. Guys like Horn, Quinn, and Dow were some of the most dominant linemen we've had in recent history and that was just good enough to get a training camp try out. I don't see any of our current o-line being up to that caliber, but then again, they've all got their senior seasons left to show what they can do. Just being 6'5'' 300+ doesn't mean anything these days.

 

[griz_this]

....totally agree with WALBERG....Tru, Oppy, Burton ,Moore....have legit chances, and this year will be telling for all. Thanks for your always positive spin, Brint.

 

[MrTitleist]

D2 you really are as dumb as you appear. You spend an entire post trying to discredit BW, but offer no rebuttal of why he's wrong. You offer nothing of substance to this thread, and I'm now completely convinced that you really don't know your head from your ass about football. Or burgers. Why don't you try to take the time to offer us up your own NFL prospects and why they should/shouldn't be considered. BWs post was nothing more than hypothetical, and one person's opinion, not set it stone. Try having a clue someday... or stick to the UNLV board, your choice.

 

[VictorG]

For discussion sake I think Burton is to slow (I like him but I still think he's to slow and should be at guard) and what has Moore done besides a few carries and special teams? I can't see anyone getting a shot in the NFL (I'm talking NFL not some lesser league) based on special team blocking or tackling. Moore may get a few carries again this year but he's not going to be a feature back in this offense.

We all are entitled to our own opinion.

I don't agree with you on Burton. I've seen him run really well.

And your argument that he is to slow and should be moved to guard doesn't make sense to me either, as guards need to be fast so they can explode upfield, either straight upfield to get on a linebacker in the box or they need to explode outside and then head upfield when they pull...both require speed and agility, so why would you move a slow OL to guard?

My comments came from watching him last year. He seemed to be a step or two slow with the edge rush. People were getting by him on the outside because of this. He might be fine with flat out foot speed as you note but IMO he was slow "in space". Maybe it was just slow reacting............

 

[VictorG]

D2 you really are as dumb as you appear. You spend an entire post trying to discredit BW, but offer no rebuttal of why he's wrong. You offer nothing of substance to this thread, and I'm now completely convinced that you really don't know your head from your ass about football. Or burgers. Why don't you try to take the time to offer us up your own NFL prospects and why they should/shouldn't be considered. BWs post was nothing more than hypothetical, and one person's opinion, not set it stone. Try having a clue someday... or stick to the UNLV board, your choice.

We sure are grumpy when we have call on the weekends aren't we.................. :twisted:

 

[Grizzoola]

I was hoping by saying repeatedly that this is a sugary best-case scenario people would get it, however there's always those few who don't get the hint. D2 are you just upset that that a post-Hauck team could have the potential to produce more pro prospects? Even though most of these guys are Hauck recruits...

Ok, I didn't get the hint that you are doing some speculating, here. It's just that IMO it's so far off the wall to be speculating about this at this time, when there's a whole season coming up. AFTER the season is over, it would be appropriate to raise this question, esp. given that with all these "pro prospects" on the 2010 team, the Griz didn't make the playoffs. Maybe all these guys will have good careers in the pros (altho I think the NFL is the standard). It is good to be singling out stars on the 2011 team. Lord knows, we need them. But, I think it's too early for talk about who's going to NFL camps next spring, since the big question IMO is whether or not the Griz will even be in the playoffs next year.

BTW, I've got an idea for a thread to be posted after spring camp is over, and it calls for some speculating. I'm not against speculating, predicting, etc., per se. We all love trying to read the future.

 

[PlayerRep]

D2, would you mind clarifying when it is okay to speculate and when it is not? Is it based only on the time of year/season, or does it also depend on the subject matter? It would be helpful to have a clear set of rules, to avoid having speculative posts "out of season" as well as the resultant discussion of misplaced or mis-timed speculative posts.

 

[Grizzoola]

BWs post was nothing more than hypothetical, and one person's opinion, not set it stone. Try having a clue someday... or stick to the UNLV board, your choice.

Oh, geezuz! BW on this board is not just ANY person. That's why I responded to him. No, I cannot evaluate players like he & PaytonLives do. I take them at their word. I'm not disagreeing w/ BW re: WHO he thinks is NFL material. I just think it's inappropriate at this time, given last year's record, to devote an entire thread to pro prospects. And, by "pro," I mean "NFL."

The 2009 team had 9 players invited to NFL camps last year. If the 2011 team has 10, 12 players invited, all the better. But, IMO those 9 players were the most Griz prospects, in any one year, ever, in NFL camps. That's the standard that BW has to be referring to.

 

[Grizzoola]

D2, would you mind clarifying when it is okay to speculate and when it is not?

I hope I clarified this in my other posts.

 

[ordigger]

BWs post was nothing more than hypothetical, and one person's opinion, not set it stone. Try having a clue someday... or stick to the UNLV board, your choice.

Oh, geezuz! BW on this board is not just ANY person. That's why I responded to him. No, I cannot evaluate players like he & PaytonLives do. I take them at their word. I'm not disagreeing w/ BW re: WHO he thinks is NFL material. I just think it's inappropriate at this time, given last year's record, to devote an entire thread to pro prospects. And, by "pro," I mean "NFL."

The 2009 team had 9 players invited to NFL camps last year. If the 2011 team has 10, 12 players invited, all the better. But, IMO those 9 players were the most Griz prospects, in any one year, ever, in NFL camps. That's the standard that BW has to be referring to.

Please clarify for me why CFL players are not "pro" players? Heck, they actually even have a contract.

A definition.....

pro·fes·sion·al
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–adjective
1.
following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain:

Sort of like saying FCS football is not Division I

 

[PlayerRep]

The '09 team didn't have 9 players invited to NFL camps. Not even close.

 

[Grizzoola]

Please clarify for me why CFL players are not "pro" players? Heck, they actually even have a contract.
A definition.....

pro·fes·sion·al
   /prəˈfɛʃənl/ Show Spelled[pruh-fesh-uh-nl]
–adjective 1. following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain:

Thanks for looking it up. None of us know what BW meant by "pro prospects." He hasn't explained it. I've said how I define a pro football player: One who plays football in the NFL. If BW includes the CFL, AFL, etc., then I suppose his premise would be correct. But I like the tougher standard: the NFL. And, by that definition, I still contend that we must wait & see after next season who will wind up in NFL camps next spring. Right now, the question is way off the wall, by my standard.

 

[Silenoz]

I'm looking forward to Dan Moore at a pro day (or the combine) in 2012. As quick as he is, you'd think teams would have interest in him as a fullback.

 

[DuCharme]

The '09 team didn't have 9 players invited to NFL camps. Not even close.

Haha! Though he did say "last year". I think the '2009' was maybe a typo and he meant 2010.
But I still wouldnt know if he was right.

 

[Silenoz]

The '09 team didn't have 9 players invited to NFL camps. Not even close.

Haha! Though he did say "last year". I think the '2009' was maybe a typo and he meant 2010.
But I still wouldnt know if he was right.

Mariani, Schillinger, Horn, Pfahler, possibly one or two others

edit: I think Beaudin was invited, not sure if he went though

 

[DuCharme]

But, I think...

 

[BWahlberg]

Please clarify for me why CFL players are not "pro" players? Heck, they actually even have a contract.
A definition.....

pro·fes·sion·al
   /prəˈfɛʃənl/ Show Spelled[pruh-fesh-uh-nl]
–adjective 1. following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain:

Thanks for looking it up. None of us know what BW meant by "pro prospects." He hasn't explained it. I've said how I define a pro football player: One who plays football in the NFL. If BW includes the CFL, AFL, etc., then I suppose his premise would be correct. But I like the tougher standard: the NFL. And, by that definition, I still contend that we must wait & see after next season who will wind up in NFL camps next spring. Right now, the question is way off the wall, by my standard.

I intentionally said "pro" instead of NFL because I see some of these guys maybe getting UFL chances or CFL chances.

"Pro" - playing football for monetary gain beyond the college level.

 

[Grizzoola]

Well, here it is:

http://www.kpax.com/news/former-griz-players-prepare-for-nfl-minicamps/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

5 were in NFL minicamps, spring, 2010: Mariani, Schillinger, Beaudin, Pfahler, and Horn. It could be I was including Hilliard, Carpenter, & 2 others, who were not on the 2009 squad. Mea culpa. Anyway, if 6 or more players from the 2011 team go to NFL camps, that'll be fine w/ me. If someone can show me that MORE THAN 5 players from any Griz team prior to 2009 went to NFL camps, I'll buy him (or her?) a Mo Burger (any size) & beer. The offer is also open if MORE THAN 5 Griz from the 2011 team are in 2012 NFL minicamps. Sorry, offer is only to one person.

I still ask, BW, what do YOU mean by "pro prospects"? Make it simple: NFL only, or not NFL only. Several of us posters are unclear re: this. Also, why do you say, "most"? Where are you coming from in what could be an irresponsible post by you? What is your standard for "most"?

 

[Grizzoola]

But, I think...

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