TG trying to poach our recruits

[PlayerRep]

I found this article about Chris Peterson's poaching Boise St recruits last year. At the time of the article, he had taken 4 of them, and had just won another one over Boise St. Look at what this author said (no big deal) and what the poll said (no big deal). Again, I don't know the ethics. I've seen what some of you have said, but would rather have more definitive information.

http://www.obnug.com/boise-state-football-recruiting/2014/1/23/5338250/making-sense-of-our-chris-petersen-recruiting-feelings

yep, this happens all of the time. love the mentality of the thread however. if a coach leaves a school and tries to get kids he recruited to follow him he's classless without ethics. but if a coach comes to a new school, and tries to get kids who committed to other schools already (not the school he was at) then that is fair game. :?

here's what i know. verbals mean very little to coaches. if there is a player that they want and they fill a need, that coach will continue to try to land the kid until he signs on the dotted line.

and to go another step farther, if and when kane moves on he'll likely pursue kids he was recruiting, whether they committed to msu or another school or not. and i'll have no problem with it whatsoever.

but it's cat griz stuff. this is egriz. so i'd expect nothing less. i'll remain unimpressed unless he actually gets one of your verbals to join him here.

Actually I think it is fair game to go after ones, HE didn't have serious contact with while representing, being paid, by the other school.

Peterson went after the verbals he'd gotten when he was at Boise, including the Bozeman kid.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

When did TG ever cross ethics lines?

The strip club event.

The video at the strip club showed that he had never been at the strip club.

the wallet and gun were planted by those damn pesky lawyers

 

[Ursus1]

None. Our brand new Griz coach pulled that off. Daum had verballed to MSU, if you don't remeber. And we are being hypocritical to say TG is being any different.

Ty was flying around the nation on the Griz expense account recruiting kids for UM....Stitt wasn't on MSU's expense account recruiting for Griz. Yes, Stitt used his Mines contacts etc......BUT not in same NCAA level, let alone conference. Bottom line, comes to ethics....we know TG's. Not like first time he had issues crossing lines.

When did TG ever cross ethics lines?

TG may have crossed the ethics line with the strip club nonsense and his DUI but all IS fair in love, war and recruiting.......Plus, if he was asked to resign from UM, like some have suggested, he may feel that he was clear of any loyalty issues....unfortunately, it's the world we live in.

Agree. ..I can see him saying screw Stitt etc, but now has to sleep in the bed he made. I hope Stitt runs up the score.....no prisoners

 

[rocklobster]

When did TG ever cross ethics lines?

The strip club event.

DUI, then discovered driving on suspended license .....yes knew the law, and choose to break it eventhough part of his DUI punishment . not to mention the "Hangoverish" ,Drugged? Can't remember how a bunch of stuff ended up in my hotel excuse.

Yup, DUI and suspended license, but that's legal and not ethical. Where's the ethical stuff? The Boulder hangoverish stuff was dropped, shown to be a false charge and bad investigation by police, and zero evidence that he took anything from the car or was close to the car. Videos showed he took nothing into the hotel or his hotel room. I was told it was a set-up. In any event, nothing ethical or legal there. Keep trying.

I think what's being shown is that you either don't know what ethics or ethical means, or you're just a liar.

Damn, what do you charge an hour? I need a good lawyer. If I ask, I probably can't afford it.

 

[PlayerRep]

When did TG ever cross ethics lines?

The strip club event.

The video at the strip club showed that he had never been at the strip club.

the wallet and gun were planted by those damn pesky lawyers

Zero evidence that he took them, or that he was at the car (no evidence of break-in, no fingerprints inside or out, not on the video at the parking garage, not seen by the nearby attendant at the parking garage), and zero evidence that he brought anything into the hotel (had nothing when checking in, according to desk clerk, carrying nothing on any of the several videos at the hotel. 10 or so affidavits from his friends that he wasn't drunk when they last saw him, which was not too long before he checked into the hotel.

 

[Ursus1]

I found this article about Chris Peterson's poaching Boise St recruits last year. At the time of the article, he had taken 4 of them, and had just won another one over Boise St. Look at what this author said (no big deal) and what the poll said (no big deal). Again, I don't know the ethics. I've seen what some of you have said, but would rather have more definitive information.

http://www.obnug.com/boise-state-football-recruiting/2014/1/23/5338250/making-sense-of-our-chris-petersen-recruiting-feelings

yep, this happens all of the time. love the mentality of the thread however. if a coach leaves a school and tries to get kids he recruited to follow him he's classless without ethics. but if a coach comes to a new school, and tries to get kids who committed to other schools already (not the school he was at) then that is fair game. :?

here's what i know. verbals mean very little to coaches. if there is a player that they want and they fill a need, that coach will continue to try to land the kid until he signs on the dotted line.

and to go another step farther, if and when kane moves on he'll likely pursue kids he was recruiting, whether they committed to msu or another school or not. and i'll have no problem with it whatsoever.

but it's cat griz stuff. this is egriz. so i'd expect nothing less. i'll remain unimpressed unless he actually gets one of your verbals to join him here.

Actually I think it is fair game to go after ones, HE didn't have serious contact with while representing, being paid, by the other school.

Peterson went after the verbals he'd gotten when he was at Boise, including the Bozeman kid.

I think he is an ass too. Good coach? Yes.

 

[PlayerRep]

The strip club event.

DUI, then discovered driving on suspended license .....yes knew the law, and choose to break it eventhough part of his DUI punishment . not to mention the "Hangoverish" ,Drugged? Can't remember how a bunch of stuff ended up in my hotel excuse.

Yup, DUI and suspended license, but that's legal and not ethical. Where's the ethical stuff? The Boulder hangoverish stuff was dropped, shown to be a false charge and bad investigation by police, and zero evidence that he took anything from the car or was close to the car. Videos showed he took nothing into the hotel or his hotel room. I was told it was a set-up. In any event, nothing ethical or legal there. Keep trying.

I think what's being shown is that you either don't know what ethics or ethical means, or you're just a liar.

Damn, what do you charge an hour? I need a good lawyer. If I ask, I probably can't afford it.

$500 for smaller matters.

 

[rocklobster]

DUI, then discovered driving on suspended license .....yes knew the law, and choose to break it eventhough part of his DUI punishment . not to mention the "Hangoverish" ,Drugged? Can't remember how a bunch of stuff ended up in my hotel excuse.

Yup, DUI and suspended license, but that's legal and not ethical. Where's the ethical stuff? The Boulder hangoverish stuff was dropped, shown to be a false charge and bad investigation by police, and zero evidence that he took anything from the car or was close to the car. Videos showed he took nothing into the hotel or his hotel room. I was told it was a set-up. In any event, nothing ethical or legal there. Keep trying.

I think what's being shown is that you either don't know what ethics or ethical means, or you're just a liar.

Damn, what do you charge an hour? I need a good lawyer. If I ask, I probably can't afford it.

$500 for smaller matters.

Good to know sir! Your arguments are concise, to the point, and shoot everyone else's to sh%@!

 

[Ursus1]

The strip club event.

DUI, then discovered driving on suspended license .....yes knew the law, and choose to break it eventhough part of his DUI punishment . not to mention the "Hangoverish" ,Drugged? Can't remember how a bunch of stuff ended up in my hotel excuse.

Yup, DUI and suspended license, but that's legal and not ethical. Where's the ethical stuff?

I think what's being shown is that you either don't know what ethics or ethical means, or you're a liar .

Ethics...."moral principles that govern a person's behavior"????..........hmmmmmm choosing to drive under the influence putting people's lives at risk, choosing to ignore what a judge has decided to impose is not ethically related and only legal? Really? Guess you and I have different principles between right and wrong.

 

[ilovethecats]

I think he is an ass too. Good coach? Yes.

:lol:
i appreciate your consistency. it just happens all of the time so i find it funny people here are acting like this is the first time a coach left a team and tried to get kids he was recruiting to follow him.

i'd go a step farther and say i'd almost have a problem if they didn't do this with some kids. if he just went on his way and never spoke to the kids he was recruiting again. like everything he promised the kids was just blowing smoke. i'd think if you really believe in a kids talents, and really think he could be a star, you'd be an idiot not to talk to him. remember that in some cases, the kids care more about the coach than anything else...

 

[rocklobster]

You guys should meet somewhere and fight! I'd pay a nominal fee to watch a slap fight!

 

[Ursus1]

By the way PR, love arguing with you (nothing personal taken or given) My dad is a retired attorney ( UM ) my sister in law is one (U of Idaho) father in law one time attorney/dist judge (UM) and my bother is one (UC-Berkley), so I am very fond of the arguing....and get great free legal advice to boot.

 

[Grizguyjj]

:shit: How I feel about most threads on egriz.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Also trying to get Tyrone Lewis-Kidd (msu Offered 3 days ago).

Who has had a offer from Montana for about 3 months.

And Tanner Hawthorne...

So if a kid has an offer from UM, no other school can offer him?

Here's a scenario to put it in perspective....

Kane Iaone leaves cats to coach at Griz. He starts calling Bobcat recruits who have already verbaled and tries to get them to switch over to the Griz instead. Bob cat fans would have a meltdown over this. So save yourself from trying to minimize the situation

No anyone can offer him... but if you move to another school (ANY OTHER SCHOOL) it is believed my most if not all coaches, that you leave the previous recruits alone. Trust me, when word gets out to other coaches TG will be looked at poorly and it will make it harder for him to find another job.

And so the cats can understand, it would not matter if he went to Southern Utah, Idaho state or Alabama the same is true.

IE Its not a Griz Cat thing.

This happens literally every time a coach goes to a different school.

Mark Richt tried to get players to follow him to Miami (and might get some).

Peterson got players to follow him from Boise to UW.

Hauck did the same if I remember right.

Do I like it? No. But to act like this doesn't happen everywhere is making you look pretty insecure. Stop worrying. We're the better program, we'll get better players.

 

[catsack]

So if a kid has an offer from UM, no other school can offer him?

Here's a scenario to put it in perspective....

Kane Iaone leaves cats to coach at Griz. He starts calling Bobcat recruits who have already verbaled and tries to get them to switch over to the Griz instead. Bob cat fans would have a meltdown over this. So save yourself from trying to minimize the situation

No anyone can offer him... but if you move to another school (ANY OTHER SCHOOL) it is believed my most if not all coaches, that you leave the previous recruits alone. Trust me, when word gets out to other coaches TG will be looked at poorly and it will make it harder for him to find another job.

And so the cats can understand, it would not matter if he went to Southern Utah, Idaho state or Alabama the same is true.

IE Its not a Griz Cat thing.

Agreed. But again Kane Ioane was recruiting Gavin all of last season, not just after his commitment to the Griz.

Kane can't talk about who he's recruiting !!

 

[VimSince03]

Here's a scenario to put it in perspective....

Kane Iaone leaves cats to coach at Griz. He starts calling Bobcat recruits who have already verbaled and tries to get them to switch over to the Griz instead. Bob cat fans would have a meltdown over this. So save yourself from trying to minimize the situation

No anyone can offer him... but if you move to another school (ANY OTHER SCHOOL) it is believed my most if not all coaches, that you leave the previous recruits alone. Trust me, when word gets out to other coaches TG will be looked at poorly and it will make it harder for him to find another job.

And so the cats can understand, it would not matter if he went to Southern Utah, Idaho state or Alabama the same is true.

IE Its not a Griz Cat thing.

Agreed. But again Kane Ioane was recruiting Gavin all of last season, not just after his commitment to the Griz.

Kane can't talk about who he's recruiting !!

Here's a scenario to put it in perspective....

Kane Iaone leaves cats to coach at Griz. He starts calling Bobcat recruits who have already verbaled and tries to get them to switch over to the Griz instead. Bob cat fans would have a meltdown over this. So save yourself from trying to minimize the situation

No anyone can offer him... but if you move to another school (ANY OTHER SCHOOL) it is believed my most if not all coaches, that you leave the previous recruits alone. Trust me, when word gets out to other coaches TG will be looked at poorly and it will make it harder for him to find another job.

And so the cats can understand, it would not matter if he went to Southern Utah, Idaho state or Alabama the same is true.

IE Its not a Griz Cat thing.

Agreed. But again Kane Ioane was recruiting Gavin all of last season, not just after his commitment to the Griz.

Kane can't talk about who he's recruiting !!

Kane hasn't said a word. Source information.

 

[PlayerRep]

Yup, DUI and suspended license, but that's legal and not ethical. Where's the ethical stuff? The Boulder hangoverish stuff was dropped, shown to be a false charge and bad investigation by police, and zero evidence that he took anything from the car or was close to the car. Videos showed he took nothing into the hotel or his hotel room. I was told it was a set-up. In any event, nothing ethical or legal there. Keep trying.

I think what's being shown is that you either don't know what ethics or ethical means, or you're just a liar.

Damn, what do you charge an hour? I need a good lawyer. If I ask, I probably can't afford it.

$500 for smaller matters.

Good to know sir! Your arguments are concise, to the point, and shoot everyone else's to sh%@!

No charge for you, RL.

 

[PlayerRep]

DUI, then discovered driving on suspended license .....yes knew the law, and choose to break it eventhough part of his DUI punishment . not to mention the "Hangoverish" ,Drugged? Can't remember how a bunch of stuff ended up in my hotel excuse.

Yup, DUI and suspended license, but that's legal and not ethical. Where's the ethical stuff?

I think what's being shown is that you either don't know what ethics or ethical means, or you're a liar .

Ethics...."moral principles that govern a person's behavior"????..........hmmmmmm choosing to drive under the influence putting people's lives at risk, choosing to ignore what a judge has decided to impose is not ethically related and only legal? Really? Guess you and I have different principles between right and wrong.

If you think all DUI's are "unethical", then, yes, you are right that you and I don't agree on what is ethical or don't agree on the definition of ethics. "Putting people's lives at risk" is your definition? So speeding, driving when you're very tired, talking a cell phone, etc. are unethical to you? With your expanded definition, then virtually all lies would be unethical. I assume that you, like most everyone else in the world, tell lies, so I guess you are unethical. Are you going to tell us you never told a lie? I think you've been telling lies about TG too, so I guess that makes you unethical. There are various shades of grey between right and wrong, as well as in morality and ethics. Personally, I don't think driving at .085, DUI territory, is unethical or immoral. Are you going to tell us that you never cheated on a girlfriend, never fudged anything on your taxes, never took a pencil from work?

 

[wsucatfan]

This seems pretty standard for recruits. I'm not a BYU fan but with their staff following Mendenhall to Virginia they have not only tried to change recruits minds but also offering BYU players, one being the QB Hill, and a linebacker. I'm sure that the new BYU coach is calling the OSU recruits too. Recruiting is a cutthroat high stakes game.

 

[Ursus1]

Yup, DUI and suspended license, but that's legal and not ethical. Where's the ethical stuff?

I think what's being shown is that you either don't know what ethics or ethical means, or you're a liar .

Ethics...."moral principles that govern a person's behavior"????..........hmmmmmm choosing to drive under the influence putting people's lives at risk, choosing to ignore what a judge has decided to impose is not ethically related and only legal? Really? Guess you and I have different principles between right and wrong.

If you think all DUI's are "unethical", then, yes, you are right that you and I don't agree on what is ethical or don't agree on the definition of ethics. "Putting people's lives at risk" is your definition? So speeding, driving when you're very tired, talking a cell phone, etc. are unethical to you? With your expanded definition, then virtually all lies would be unethical. I assume that you, like most everyone else in the world, tell lies, so I guess you are unethical. Are you going to tell us you never told a lie? I think you've been telling lies about TG too, so I guess that makes you unethical. There are various shades of grey between right and wrong, as well as in morality and ethics. Personally, I don't think driving at .085, DUI territory, is unethical or immoral. Are you going to tell us that you never cheated on a girlfriend, never fudged anything on your taxes, never took a pencil from work?

Sadly (actually proudly) never cheated on any girl (raised not to)...have I done "unethical" things yes, but I DO NOT drive under the influence even .000001. I am a strong supporter of things like Mariah's challenge in Butte...seen first hand the devastation it can cause. Never had my licence revoked, but it I had I surely wouldn't have driven (as ordered by the court). If you were told not to do something by a judge and did itanyway, I assume the bar association and comission on practice would take issue.....