TG trying to poach our recruits

[garizzalies]

I heard from the grapevine, allegedly from a current assistant coach, that one of the reasons Traitorak was not welcomed back was because he "liked to play favorites." Apparently, if you were not a rah-rah guy like him, you did not get as much playtime.

I heard part of the problem was Stitt's Philosophy on Offense. Didn't want his defense to defend 75% of the game any more.

One would think a good DC would like the challenge, and wear it like a badge of honor. Doesn't surprise me, he is a pussy after all.
If either of these rumors are even remotely true, I say good-fricken-riddance.

 

[garizzalies]

...zero evidence that he took anything from the car or was close to the car. Videos showed he took nothing into the hotel or his hotel room. I was told it was a set-up...

Good lord.
There was evidence he took stuff from the car: the gun and wallet themselves are circumstantial evidence.
Let's take your hypothetical to its logical conclusion. If Traitorak's "hangover" episode was truly a "set-up", doesn't that mean someone would have had to break into his hotel room and plant the stuff there? If they checked the video footage, wouldn't they have seen that? What would be the possible motive to plant this stuff? Even assuming there is some kind of crazy motive, the person planting the evidence did not spring the trap, and would have had to rely on Traitorak turning himself in and not simply throwing the evidence away in the morning. What a joke.

 

[bandit218]

Why not try? I mean, Stitt released some big names. He's essentially said if you don't perform you're not welcome. TG could have used that as ammunition to come over. Does Stitt have the patience to grow individual players into a great team, or is he going to try the Jacksonville State transfer heavy route? Only time will tell but there is a small perception problem IMO.

I think he's building to contend "now" every year while he develops his recruits. That means drop downs, JC transfers and better and better freshmen to compete.

I get that. I was thinking that time will tell if it turns into something that happens every year. I hope it turns into a reload from within. Teams like Jacksonville State and Sam Houston for that matter seem like they're into trying to transfer in next years starters. It works better for guys to play 3-4 years together. Sam Houston is a perfect example of that. They had good players who just couldn't mesh all the time.

 

[billingsgriz]

I have to go with ursus and garrizzlies--Ty's little strip club incident, even though the charges were dropped, demonstrated a lack of ethics, maturity, and judgment, and a potential addiction problem.

I ran into one of Bobby Hauck's relatives a few weeks ago right after New Year's, and we had a good laugh about Bobby supposedly applying for The Shi##y Kitty job.

And then we talked about Ty, and he told me that Bobby had no choice but to fire him. Hauck had not even coached one game at UNLV in early 2010, and Gregorak, then 31 or 32 years old, goes out, gets "blackout" drunk, and doesn't have an explanation on how all of this stolen stuff ended up in his hotel room, gets charged with a felony, and puts a lot of pressure on Hauck and UNLV to cut him loose, which they did.

While I thought this incident was no big deal, I see it now in a different light. While I am glad the charges were dropped, getting "blackout" drunk, driving on a suspended license while drunk, having stolen goods in your hotel room are not exactly a ringing endorsement of your ability to be a good mentor and role model for your players, let alone your maturity and judgment. And again, Ty was in his early 30's when all of this happened, not a 22-23 year old graduate assistant.

Legi moved onward and upward to Hawaii of The Mountain West, as did former Cat OC Tim Cramsey to Nevada, yet Ty moves sideways to Bozeman.

I believe this strip club incident has had a big negative impact on Ty's career, and talking about Marck Richt going to Miami from Georgia, SEC (GA) to ACC (Miami), and Chris Peterson from Boise State to UDub, Mountain West to PAC 12, is not the same lateral move as Ty moved within The Big Sky to our arch, in-state rival.

I still think Ty is a great coach, but there is a reason that other former Cat and Griz coaches have moved up and Ty has not !!! Hopefully Choate does well and takes Ty with him if/when he moves up or this move could become a question for future AD's interviewing Ty: "Quite a few of your peers moved from Montana up to Mountain West, Pac 12 and other 1A schools in other conferences--Jonathan Smith, Mike Breske, Legi, Dave Doren. Why didn't you?"

 

[AZDoc]

Why not try? I mean, Stitt released some big names. He's essentially said if you don't perform you're not welcome. TG could have used that as ammunition to come over. Does Stitt have the patience to grow individual players into a great team, or is he going to try the Jacksonville State transfer heavy route? Only time will tell but there is a small perception problem IMO.

I think he's building to contend "now" every year while he develops his recruits. That means drop downs, JC transfers and better and better freshmen to compete.

I get that. I was thinking that time will tell if it turns into something that happens every year. I hope it turns into a reload from within. Teams like Jacksonville State and Sam Houston for that matter seem like they're into trying to transfer in next years starters. It works better for guys to play 3-4 years together. Sam Houston is a perfect example of that. They had good players who just couldn't mesh all the time.

I agree with you 100%. I think if you look at the good programs, that's exactly what they do.

 

[Bear Axed]

I'm butthurt that we have so f'n many stupid fans and a mod (the one that probably does think Walter Payton is alive) that's f'n dumber than any if them. I hope very few fans from other teams read this thread. Hopefully they see that quite a few of us aren't as f'n stupid as the rest.

Duh,
You are a butthurt cat fan :thumb:

As you should be.......

carry on

 

[PlayerRep]

...zero evidence that he took anything from the car or was close to the car. Videos showed he took nothing into the hotel or his hotel room. I was told it was a set-up...

Good lord.
There was evidence he took stuff from the car: the gun and wallet themselves are circumstantial evidence.
Let's take your hypothetical to its logical conclusion. If Traitorak's "hangover" episode was truly a "set-up", doesn't that mean someone would have had to break into his hotel room and plant the stuff there? If they checked the video footage, wouldn't they have seen that? What would be the possible motive to plant this stuff? Even assuming there is some kind of crazy motive, the person planting the evidence did not spring the trap, and would have had to rely on Traitorak turning himself in and not simply throwing the evidence away in the morning. What a joke.

Nope, there is no evidence that he took the stuff from bouncer's car. No evidence of the car being broken into, no fingerprints, no evidence of him being at the parking garage, no evidence of him bringing the stuff into his room, no evidence of his drinking too much. I don't know the set up of any video cameras in the elevator or hallway; just know nothing showed him with any stuff. Hotels don't have cameras on the door to every room.

Given those facts, how do you think the stuff go into his room.

 

[garizzalies]

He took it.

 

[PlayerRep]

I have to go with ursus and garrizzlies--Ty's little strip club incident, even though the charges were dropped, demonstrated a lack of ethics, maturity, and judgment, and a potential addiction problem.

I ran into one of Bobby Hauck's relatives a few weeks ago right after New Year's, and we had a good laugh about Bobby supposedly applying for The Shi##y Kitty job.

And then we talked about Ty, and he told me that Bobby had no choice but to fire him. Hauck had not even coached one game at UNLV in early 2010, and Gregorak, then 31 or 32 years old, goes out, gets "blackout" drunk, and doesn't have an explanation on how all of this stolen stuff ended up in his hotel room, gets charged with a felony, and puts a lot of pressure on Hauck and UNLV to cut him loose, which they did.

While I thought this incident was no big deal, I see it now in a different light. While I am glad the charges were dropped, getting "blackout" drunk, driving on a suspended license while drunk, having stolen goods in your hotel room are not exactly a ringing endorsement of your ability to be a good mentor and role model for your players, let alone your maturity and judgment. And again, Ty was in his early 30's when all of this happened, not a 22-23 year old graduate assistant.

Legi moved onward and upward to Hawaii of The Mountain West, as did former Cat OC Tim Cramsey to Nevada, yet Ty moves sideways to Bozeman.

I believe this strip club incident has had a big negative impact on Ty's career, and talking about Marck Richt going to Miami from Georgia, SEC (GA) to ACC (Miami), and Chris Peterson from Boise State to UDub, Mountain West to PAC 12, is not the same lateral move as Ty moved within The Big Sky to our arch, in-state rival.

I still think Ty is a great coach, but there is a reason that other former Cat and Griz coaches have moved up and Ty has not !!! Hopefully Choate does well and takes Ty with him if/when he moves up or this move could become a question for future AD's interviewing Ty: "Quite a few of your peers moved from Montana up to Mountain West, Pac 12 and other 1A schools in other conferences--Jonathan Smith, Mike Breske, Legi, Dave Doren. Why didn't you?"

I agree with you that incident hurt his career, at least for awhile. However, the tape showed that he was never at or in the strip club. Why did the bouncer say that Gregorak had been at the strip club? There is no evidence that he drank too much; in fact, there is evidence that he didn't. The UNLV AD fired Gregorak, and had been told to do so by president. A top Las Vegas sports reporter told me that. There was no evidence that the good were stolen, so they weren't stolen goods. See the below blurbs from the linked article. TG had his chance to move to FBS, but declined. Can you not get any facts correct?

1. This was the only evidence the police had. "Police Detective E.F. Euler requested a warrant for Mr. Gregorak's arrest based only upon the statement of Mr. Benedetto [the bouncer] and a brief conversation with Mr. Gregorak where he maintained that he must have been drugged and had no knowledge of how the items got into the hotel room he rented the previous night."

2. Read all of this closely. "Defense investigation established that the parking garage attendant, stationed just feet from Mr. Benedetto's car, did not observe anyone breaking into the car; hotel staff did not observe a gun or any of the other items on Mr. Gregorak that evening; the dozen friends of Mr. Gregorak all provided statements to defense investigators that they also did not see the items and that Mr. Gregorak was not intoxicated during the time he was with them. Four fingerprints were lifted from the car. Two were insufficient quality for comparison, one was not Mr. Gregorak's, and the fourth was not of sufficient quality to include or exclude Mr. Gregorak. Boulder Police did not attempt to obtain fingerprints from any of the recovered items."

3. UNLV then over-reacted. "Before charges were filed, before any facts were known, and before given an opportunity to defend himself, UNLV reacted and failed to support Mr. Gregorak. It is ironic that UNLV could not extend a short amount of time for due process when they charge their law students thousands to learn this simple legal right. Before ever attending a court appearance, Mr. Gregorak was informed that UNLV would not renew his contract."

http://www.westword.com/news/ty-gregorak-former-cu-buff-wrongly-accused-of-theft-no-longer-shmuck-of-the-week-5891741

 

[horribilisfan8184]

How does Ty know he didn't take the items when he doesn't know what happened to him that night?

"I am grateful that this whole ordeal is finally over," Gregorak said in a statement released through his lawyer. "Perhaps someday I will learn what happened to me that night, but as of now, I still do not know. My story has always been consistent and has never changed. This has been a nightmare for me and my family."

 

[PlayerRep]

How does Ty know he didn't take the items when he doesn't know what happened to him that night?

"I am grateful that this whole ordeal is finally over," Gregorak said in a statement released through his lawyer. "Perhaps someday I will learn what happened to me that night, but as of now, I still do not know. My story has always been consistent and has never changed. This has been a nightmare for me and my family."

Because there was no evidence of the car being broken into, no fingerprints of his inside or outside the bar, no evidence that he or anyone was even near the car (the parking attendant was within feet of the car), no evidence of him carrying anything into the hotel.

How do you think a supposedly very drunk (or drugged) giant guy breaks into a car with no evidence of a break-in, leaves no finger prints, is not seen or heard by the nearby parking attendant, is not caught on video at the parking garage, and takes the stuff into the hotel and his room (despite not carrying a bag or anything else)?

Why do you think the bouncer mis-identified TG as being at the strip club?

Do you believe the bouncer when he says his car was broken into and the stuff was taken? Do you find it odd that all of this stuff was stolen, but the bouncer didn't bother to contact police until the next day (I think after it was given back to him)? If your car was broken into, and your wallet, gun, and other stuff taken, would you not contact police right away--or at least ask the parking attendant if he saw anyone break into his car?

Can you say set-up?

 

[horribilisfan8184]

How does Ty know he didn't take the items when he doesn't know what happened to him that night?

"I am grateful that this whole ordeal is finally over," Gregorak said in a statement released through his lawyer. "Perhaps someday I will learn what happened to me that night, but as of now, I still do not know. My story has always been consistent and has never changed. This has been a nightmare for me and my family."

Because there was no evidence of the car being broken into, no fingerprints of his inside or outside the bar, no evidence that he or anyone was even near the car (the parking attendant was within feet of the car), no evidence of him carrying anything into the hotel.

How do you think a supposedly very drunk (or drugged) giant guy breaks into a car with no evidence of a break-in, leaves no finger prints, is not seen or heard by the nearby parking attendant, is not caught on video at the parking garage, and takes the stuff into the hotel and his room (despite not carrying a bag or anything else)?

Why do you think the bouncer mis-identified TG as being at the strip club?

Do you believe the bouncer when he says his car was broken into and the stuff was taken? Do you find it odd that all of this stuff was stolen, but the bouncer didn't bother to contact police until the next day (I think after it was given back to him)? If your car was broken into, and your wallet, gun, and other stuff taken, would you not contact police right away--or at least ask the parking attendant if he saw anyone break into his car?

Can you say set-up?

It's all very peculiar indeed.

 

[PlayerRep]

How does Ty know he didn't take the items when he doesn't know what happened to him that night?

"I am grateful that this whole ordeal is finally over," Gregorak said in a statement released through his lawyer. "Perhaps someday I will learn what happened to me that night, but as of now, I still do not know. My story has always been consistent and has never changed. This has been a nightmare for me and my family."

Because there was no evidence of the car being broken into, no fingerprints of his inside or outside the bar, no evidence that he or anyone was even near the car (the parking attendant was within feet of the car), no evidence of him carrying anything into the hotel.

How do you think a supposedly very drunk (or drugged) giant guy breaks into a car with no evidence of a break-in, leaves no finger prints, is not seen or heard by the nearby parking attendant, is not caught on video at the parking garage, and takes the stuff into the hotel and his room (despite not carrying a bag or anything else)?

Why do you think the bouncer mis-identified TG as being at the strip club?

Do you believe the bouncer when he says his car was broken into and the stuff was taken? Do you find it odd that all of this stuff was stolen, but the bouncer didn't bother to contact police until the next day (I think after it was given back to him)? If your car was broken into, and your wallet, gun, and other stuff taken, would you not contact police right away--or at least ask the parking attendant if he saw anyone break into his car?

Can you say set-up?

It's all very peculiar indeed.

I agree. When I was following this closely, I eventually concluded that the set-up scenario was actually much more plausible than the bouncer's story to police--given the very strong actual evidence that things didn't occur in a way that supported what the bouncer said. For example, how does a very drunk TG even locate the car of the bouncer (whom he didn't know), let alone break into the car leaving no evidence of entry and not being seen?

 

[billingsgriz]

PR, you maybe entirely correct--Ty may not have done anything illegal, but there was/probably still is a lot of concern about Ty and his life style and possible alcoholism. He placed himself in a very bad situation even if he did nothing wrong other than drink entirely too much. USC fired Steve Sarkisian earlier this year when he appeared to be drunk and/or stoned at a press conference and apparently refused to go into treatment.

Ty was arrested in March 2009 in Minn. for DUI, plead guilty in July, and paid a fine. His Montana driver's license was revoked.

As UNLV AD Jim Livengood stated at the time in a Las Vegas Review Journal article dated May 11, 2010, " Assistant Football Coach Urged to Resign After Arrest,"

"I have no knowledge if this is true, but it wouldn't shock me if all charges were dropped. But that can't be the point in this. I feel horrible because Ty is a good young man and a good young coach, but we have a responsibility to the integrity of the program and perception of our program."

Livengood went on to state that if Ty didn't resign, his contract would not be renewed when it expired in June of 2010.

Now if you think Livengood was just a stick in the mud, these same concerns followed Ty when he applied for and was a finalist to succeed Bob Green at Mont. Tech that December.

" If you think you've got a guy with baggage, in the last year and a half, it's more like luggage," Gregorak said. When you google my name, you're going to see some things."

When a Tech parent expressed concern about what kind of role model Gregorak would be, "I hope three years from now, you won't question whether or not to send your kids to me, Gregorak said.

"Gregorak States His Case, " Bill Foley, The Montana Standard, Dec. 16, 2010

Tech hired South Dakota DC Chuck Morrell instead of Ty.

Hopefully, now that it is 5-6 years later, Ty is doing well, is sober, and if an alcoholic, in the lifelong process of recovery.

I think he is a great coach, and it appears the overwhelming majority of his current/former players agree, including Brock Coyle and Jordan Tripp. So I wish the best of luck to him !!!

But it does irritate me when he whined about still being in Missoula 12 years after he first became a GRIZ assistant and how he longed to coach in The Pac-12 and NFL. Legi is now at Hawaii, Cramsey is at Nevada, Dave Doren is the head coach at North Carolina State of The ACC, and Ty is in Bozeman. If he doesn't like his life story up to this point and the progression of his career, he should take it up with the author: himself !!!

 

[grizcountry420]

 

[UMGriz75]

Do you believe the bouncer when he says his car was broken into and the stuff was taken? Do you find it odd that all of this stuff was stolen, but the bouncer didn't bother to contact police until the next day (I think after it was given back to him)? If your car was broken into, and your wallet, gun, and other stuff taken, would you not contact police right away--or at least ask the parking attendant if he saw anyone break into his car?

The whole story was odd at the time. The guy didn't call the police until after Gregorak came to his house and said "here's some stuff of yours I found in my hotel room, I don't know how it got there." THEN, when he got Ty's car license, he called the police.

If somebody took the time and trouble to return your stuff, would you really call the police?

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, you maybe entirely correct--Ty may not have done anything illegal, but there was/probably still is a lot of concern about Ty and his life style and possible alcoholism. He placed himself in a very bad situation even if he did nothing wrong other than drink entirely too much. USC fired Steve Sarkisian earlier this year when he appeared to be drunk and/or stoned at a press conference and apparently refused to go into treatment.

Ty was arrested in March 2009 in Minn. for DUI, plead guilty in July, and paid a fine. His Montana driver's license was revoked.

As UNLV AD Jim Livengood stated at the time in a Las Vegas Review Journal article dated May 11, 2010, " Assistant Football Coach Urged to Resign After Arrest,"

"I have no knowledge if this is true, but it wouldn't shock me if all charges were dropped. But that can't be the point in this. I feel horrible because Ty is a good young man and a good young coach, but we have a responsibility to the integrity of the program and perception of our program."

Livengood went on to state that if Ty didn't resign, his contract would not be renewed when it expired in June of 2010.

Now if you think Livengood was just a stick in the mud, these same concerns followed Ty when he applied for and was a finalist to succeed Bob Green at Mont. Tech that December.

" If you think you've got a guy with baggage, in the last year and a half, it's more like luggage," Gregorak said. When you google my name, you're going to see some things."

When a Tech parent expressed concern about what kind of role model Gregorak would be, "I hope three years from now, you won't question whether or not to send your kids to me, Gregorak said.

"Gregorak States His Case, " Bill Foley, The Montana Standard, Dec. 16, 2010

Tech hired South Dakota DC Chuck Morrell instead of Ty.

Hopefully, now that it is 5-6 years later, Ty is doing well, is sober, and if an alcoholic, in the lifelong process of recovery.

I think he is a great coach, and it appears the overwhelming majority of his current/former players agree, including Brock Coyle and Jordan Tripp. So I wish the best of luck to him !!!

But it does irritate me when he whined about still being in Missoula 12 years after he first became a GRIZ assistant and how he longed to coach in The Pac-12 and NFL. Legi is now at Hawaii, Cramsey is at Nevada, Dave Doren is the head coach at North Carolina State of The ACC, and Ty is in Bozeman. If he doesn't like his life story up to this point and the progression of his career, he should take it up with the author: himself !!!

As for TG's drinking too much in Boulder that night. see the following. He wasn't. The DUI was unfortunate. He's not an alcoholic, and like most of us, drinks less than when he was younger. "A dozen friends of Mr. Gregorak all provided statements ... that Mr. Gregorak was not intoxicated during the time he was with them."

As for the AD's quote, again, the UNLV president made him fire him. I was told that the AD later provided an recommendation for TG for the Tech job.

Players absolutely love TG, including Tripp, Coyle, Colt. It was Tech's loss and UM's gain that Tech didn't hire him.

Again, TG had the opportunity to be the DC of Hawaii (which would have doubled his salary) after he took the MSU job, and decided to stay at MSU. I don't know the reason or reasons, but your saying that TG didn't have other opportunities and is stuck at MSU is just plain not true.

 

[brewskis]

So we lock threads with ~10 comments that are actually related to FCS football.....then we let shit like this hit 7 pages?

Aces gents....aces.

:stfu:

 

[Copper Griz]

Good God people. Seriously, why are Griz fans fixated with little brother and what happens in that town to the east with a bunch of wealthy out of state folks who could care less about the local football program. Seriously - let it go. The program is a dumpster fire. They picked up a good coach who was shown the door. So what and good for him. He should have taken the offer to go to Hawaii.

 

[grizatwork]

PR, you maybe entirely correct--Ty may not have done anything illegal, but there was/probably still is a lot of concern about Ty and his life style and possible alcoholism. He placed himself in a very bad situation even if he did nothing wrong other than drink entirely too much. USC fired Steve Sarkisian earlier this year when he appeared to be drunk and/or stoned at a press conference and apparently refused to go into treatment.

Ty was arrested in March 2009 in Minn. for DUI, plead guilty in July, and paid a fine. His Montana driver's license was revoked.

As UNLV AD Jim Livengood stated at the time in a Las Vegas Review Journal article dated May 11, 2010, " Assistant Football Coach Urged to Resign After Arrest,"

"I have no knowledge if this is true, but it wouldn't shock me if all charges were dropped. But that can't be the point in this. I feel horrible because Ty is a good young man and a good young coach, but we have a responsibility to the integrity of the program and perception of our program."

Livengood went on to state that if Ty didn't resign, his contract would not be renewed when it expired in June of 2010.

Now if you think Livengood was just a stick in the mud, these same concerns followed Ty when he applied for and was a finalist to succeed Bob Green at Mont. Tech that December.

" If you think you've got a guy with baggage, in the last year and a half, it's more like luggage," Gregorak said. When you google my name, you're going to see some things."

When a Tech parent expressed concern about what kind of role model Gregorak would be, "I hope three years from now, you won't question whether or not to send your kids to me, Gregorak said.

"Gregorak States His Case, " Bill Foley, The Montana Standard, Dec. 16, 2010

Tech hired South Dakota DC Chuck Morrell instead of Ty.

Hopefully, now that it is 5-6 years later, Ty is doing well, is sober, and if an alcoholic, in the lifelong process of recovery.

I think he is a great coach, and it appears the overwhelming majority of his current/former players agree, including Brock Coyle and Jordan Tripp. So I wish the best of luck to him !!!

But it does irritate me when he whined about still being in Missoula 12 years after he first became a GRIZ assistant and how he longed to coach in The Pac-12 and NFL. Legi is now at Hawaii, Cramsey is at Nevada, Dave Doren is the head coach at North Carolina State of The ACC, and Ty is in Bozeman. If he doesn't like his life story up to this point and the progression of his career, he should take it up with the author: himself !!!

As for TG's drinking too much in Boulder that night. see the following. He wasn't. The DUI was unfortunate. He's not an alcoholic, and like most of us, drinks less than when he was younger. "A dozen friends of Mr. Gregorak all provided statements ... that Mr. Gregorak was not intoxicated during the time he was with them."

As for the AD's quote, again, the UNLV president made him fire him. I was told that the AD later provided an recommendation for TG for the Tech job.

Players absolutely love TG, including Tripp, Coyle, Colt. It was Tech's loss and UM's gain that Tech didn't hire him.

Again, TG had the opportunity to be the DC of Hawaii (which would have doubled his salary) after he took the MSU job, and decided to stay at MSU. I don't know the reason or reasons, but your saying that TG didn't have other opportunities and is stuck at MSU is just plain not true.

PR,
Not that I am doubting you, but this is the first I have heard of TG having the opportunity to go to Hawaii as DC. Is there any mention of this in any media outlets?