Strong

[IdaGriz01]

... Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Well I wasn't going to play because we don't have enough information BUT what you suggest and what do know makes me think it was self defense. He chased the guy out, didn't see him came his senses and said to himself what the hell was I thinking, headed back to party and ran into the guy.

I was not going to play either, but here's a couple of things. Don't know about the MMA stuff (above), but the WSU track & field page says this guy competed in shot-put and hammer throw. So at 5'9" (rather short for a putter) you know he's got some serious muscles.

If that guy sucker-punches you -- and its seems like that did happen (less sure about the head-lock) -- you are not going to be level-headed in your response. Certainly not right away. Strong is a well-conditioned athlete himself, so he's not going to shy away from trying to "chase down" the guy.

Then, when he cools off but runs into the guy again (if that, indeed, is what happened), he still won't shy away. And if the guy looks ready for trouble (balled up fists?), well: "I owe him one already." Boom. But Strong has already felt this guy's strength, so when he tries to get up ... boom again. Sorry, but it makes perfect sense to me.

 

[PlayerRep]

This wyatt kid was in a bad car accident in 2014 when his buddy held his breath while driving through a tunnel and passed out. I hope he completely heals from this latest ordeal and has better fortunes going forward.

And they had a head-on crash, and 2 other cars were involved, and there were injuries. Think the driver was a track friend from a JUCO where they were in school.

 

[bhumble]

At this point all we know is something serious happened. He admitted to chasing the dude down and whooping his ass....

It doesnt matter if the kid deserved it....it doesnt matter what the court says..or who can prove what...

At this point all that matters is that Mr. Strong put himself in a stupid situation...and it has now cost him and his teammates....

Would I like to have him on the team still yes..absolutely

If I'm Stitt I'm kicking him off the team..and saying sorry kid but you did this yourself..best of luck.

Play stupid fvcking games..win stupid fvcking prizes.

I agree Strong has a problem, but he did not admit to those things. He certainly didn't admit to chasing the guy down. He said he calmed down and then saw that guy as he was going back to the party. He didn't say he whooped the guy. He admitted that he hit him twice.

Read the police report again. Pay attention to what Strong said.

 

[PlayerRep]

... Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Well I wasn't going to play because we don't have enough information BUT what you suggest and what do know makes me think it was self defense. He chased the guy out, didn't see him came his senses and said to himself what the hell was I thinking, headed back to party and ran into the guy.

I was not going to play either, but here's a couple of things. Don't know about the MMA stuff (above), but the WSU track & field page says this guy competed in shot-put and hammer throw. So at 5'9" (rather short for a putter) you know he's got some serious muscles.

If that guy sucker-punches you -- and its seems like that did happen (less sure about the head-lock) -- you are not going to be level-headed in your response. Certainly not right away. Strong is a well-conditioned athlete himself, so he's not going to shy away from trying to "chase down" the guy.

Then, when he cools off but runs into the guy again (if that, indeed, is what happened), he still won't shy away. And if the guy looks ready for trouble (balled up fists?), well: "I owe him one already." Boom. But Strong has already felt this guy's strength, so when he tries to get up ... boom again. Sorry, but it makes perfect sense to me.

Good analysis if the facts/witnesses support, or largely support, this scenario. There are youtube videos of the WSU guy throwing, as well as lifting. Looks like serious weight being lifted.

Adam Nelson won gold and silver in 3 Olympics in the shot put. 6', 255. Must have been a very strong guy. Played football for Dartmouth. Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Skyline sports reporting Strong not charged yet but will definitely not be traveling to Ogden. I think we all figured that may be the case. Even with no charges, probably the right move until this gets sorted out.

 

[SoldierGriz]

... Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Well I wasn't going to play because we don't have enough information BUT what you suggest and what do know makes me think it was self defense. He chased the guy out, didn't see him came his senses and said to himself what the hell was I thinking, headed back to party and ran into the guy.

I was not going to play either, but here's a couple of things. Don't know about the MMA stuff (above), but the WSU track & field page says this guy competed in shot-put and hammer throw. So at 5'9" (rather short for a putter) you know he's got some serious muscles.

If that guy sucker-punches you -- and its seems like that did happen (less sure about the head-lock) -- you are not going to be level-headed in your response. Certainly not right away. Strong is a well-conditioned athlete himself, so he's not going to shy away from trying to "chase down" the guy.

Then, when he cools off but runs into the guy again (if that, indeed, is what happened), he still won't shy away. And if the guy looks ready for trouble (balled up fists?), well: "I owe him one already." Boom. But Strong has already felt this guy's strength, so when he tries to get up ... boom again. Sorry, but it makes perfect sense to me.

Like I said - it's ambiguous to me. I wouldn't want to put it in front of a jury...

 

[bigkid]

... Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Well I wasn't going to play because we don't have enough information BUT what you suggest and what do know makes me think it was self defense. He chased the guy out, didn't see him came his senses and said to himself what the hell was I thinking, headed back to party and ran into the guy.

I was not going to play either, but here's a couple of things. Don't know about the MMA stuff (above), but the WSU track & field page says this guy competed in shot-put and hammer throw. So at 5'9" (rather short for a putter) you know he's got some serious muscles.

If that guy sucker-punches you -- and its seems like that did happen (less sure about the head-lock) -- you are not going to be level-headed in your response. Certainly not right away. Strong is a well-conditioned athlete himself, so he's not going to shy away from trying to "chase down" the guy.

Then, when he cools off but runs into the guy again (if that, indeed, is what happened), he still won't shy away. And if the guy looks ready for trouble (balled up fists?), well: "I owe him one already." Boom. But Strong has already felt this guy's strength, so when he tries to get up ... boom again. Sorry, but it makes perfect sense to me.

I tend to agree with this. Unfortunately the severity of the injury is changing the character of the event. If I thought I was tough enough to stand my own and was sucker punched I’d definitely “discuss” matters.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

At this point all we know is something serious happened. He admitted to chasing the dude down and whooping his ass....

It doesnt matter if the kid deserved it....it doesnt matter what the court says..or who can prove what...

At this point all that matters is that Mr. Strong put himself in a stupid situation...and it has now cost him and his teammates....

Would I like to have him on the team still yes..absolutely

If I'm Stitt I'm kicking him off the team..and saying sorry kid but you did this yourself..best of luck.

Play stupid fvcking games..win stupid fvcking prizes.

I agree Strong has a problem, but he did not admit to those things. He certainly didn't admit to chasing the guy down. He said he calmed down and then saw that guy as he was going back to the party. He didn't say he whooped the guy. He admitted that he hit him twice.

I would honestly be pissed that he was even at a house party....

Almost every other house party I've ever been in while I was in college had a fight go down.

Its just the scenario...biggest part of the season ahead....just dont go man, wait a couple months till the season is done, than have your fun.

It could be anything...maybe cops show up and find drugs at the house...you didnt do them, not yours, but who knows how it will play out. Just DONT BE IN THAT SCENARIO RIGHT NOW!!!!

You are naive. Most college kids including players go to house parties every weekend. Especially players when they are supposed to stay out of the bars during season. I have been to a few thousand house parties, and probably seen only a half dozen fights.

Probably because you only hangout with your supper classy men of Cockmouth...I mean Dartmouth

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

What I am telling you, is by taking a look, you will have a pretty good idea who was with Strong.

I understand what your telling me... but I don't think... you know what your talking about...otherwise...you'd say their names...

Believe what you want, but the names have been mentioned in other posts. I am choosing not to post the names and will not post on it again.

Or you don't know and you're just posting assumptions and being an ass about it.

P.S. you're wrong

I have actually quit posting because I have heard other info. But thanks.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

This wyatt kid was in a bad car accident in 2014 when his buddy held his breath while driving through a tunnel and passed out. I hope he completely heals from this latest ordeal and has better fortunes going forward.

Im sorry but that has got to be the dumbest most ridiculous reason ive ever heard to get into a car crash lol.

 

[Merkleman]

Just want to touch on a few points.

1) anyone suggesting by looking at the roster you can ascertain who was there is false.

2) What we know about the incident

-The WSU student started the fight in the house. What we dont know is who the aggressor was when they met up again
-The witnesses mentioned in the report and the affidavit all at the very least were acquaintances of the WSU student. They were all able to identify him by name. And none of them were able to name Strong or his friends by. This would make anything they say at the least questionable and biased.
-The investigating Officer did a poor job. She should have at least taken the names and contact info for the people with Strong. In reality should have taken statements from them as well.


I have investigated countless cases and written countless affidavits of probable cause. Where i worked nothing would come of this. Its mutual combat. If they charge Strong they would have to Charge the WSU student for the assault at the party. There is more evidence supporting that then the back end of the incident. What Strong allegedly did doesn't take away what the WSU student did at the party.Either they both get charged or neither do. I suspect they would both choose the latter.

Taking all the information available I wouldnt charge either of them as they are both culpable. I would have advised both that I wouldnt be filing charges but if either of them wanted to they had a right to go to the courts and file a private criminal complaint but they would be doing it at their own peril.

This entire thing goes away. One game suspension and he is playing next week.

 

[ordigger]

At this point all we know is something serious happened. He admitted to chasing the dude down and whooping his ass....

It doesnt matter if the kid deserved it....it doesnt matter what the court says..or who can prove what...

At this point all that matters is that Mr. Strong put himself in a stupid situation...and it has now cost him and his teammates....

Would I like to have him on the team still yes..absolutely

If I'm Stitt I'm kicking him off the team..and saying sorry kid but you did this yourself..best of luck.

Play stupid fvcking games..win stupid fvcking prizes.

I agree Strong has a problem, but he did not admit to those things. He certainly didn't admit to chasing the guy down. He said he calmed down and then saw that guy as he was going back to the party. He didn't say he whooped the guy. He admitted that he hit him twice.

I would honestly be pissed that he was even at a house party....

Almost every other house party I've ever been in while I was in college had a fight go down.

Its just the scenario...biggest part of the season ahead....just dont go man, wait a couple months till the season is done, than have your fun.

It could be anything...maybe cops show up and find drugs at the house...you didnt do them, not yours, but who knows how it will play out. Just DONT BE IN THAT SCENARIO RIGHT NOW!!!!

You are naive. Most college kids including players go to house parties every weekend. Especially players when they are supposed to stay out of the bars during season. I have been to a few thousand house parties, and probably seen only a half dozen fights.

Either you've never been to a house party in Butte, or all six you seen were in Butte because never in the history of man, has there never not been a fight in Butte, whether it be at a house party, a bar, in the street, or naked in the country.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I agree Strong has a problem, but he did not admit to those things. He certainly didn't admit to chasing the guy down. He said he calmed down and then saw that guy as he was going back to the party. He didn't say he whooped the guy. He admitted that he hit him twice.

I would honestly be pissed that he was even at a house party....

Almost every other house party I've ever been in while I was in college had a fight go down.

Its just the scenario...biggest part of the season ahead....just dont go man, wait a couple months till the season is done, than have your fun.

It could be anything...maybe cops show up and find drugs at the house...you didnt do them, not yours, but who knows how it will play out. Just DONT BE IN THAT SCENARIO RIGHT NOW!!!!

You are naive. Most college kids including players go to house parties every weekend. Especially players when they are supposed to stay out of the bars during season. I have been to a few thousand house parties, and probably seen only a half dozen fights.

Either you've never been to a house party in Butte, or all six you seen were in Butte because never in the history of man, has there never not been a fight in Butte, whether it be at a house party, a bar, in the street, or naked in the country.

:lol:

 

[Skookum-Jim]

Just want to touch on a few points.

1) anyone suggesting by looking at the roster you can ascertain who was there is false.

2) What we know about the incident

-The WSU student started the fight in the house. What we dont know is who the aggressor was when they met up again
-The witnesses mentioned in the report and the affidavit all at the very least were acquaintances of the WSU student. They were all able to identify him by name. And none of them were able to name Strong or his friends by. This would make anything they say at the least questionable and biased.
-The investigating Officer did a poor job. She should have at least taken the names and contact info for the people with Strong. In reality should have taken statements from them as well.


I have investigated countless cases and written countless affidavits of probable cause. Where i worked nothing would come of this. Its mutual combat. If they charge Strong they would have to Charge the WSU student for the assault at the party. There is more evidence supporting that then the back end of the incident. What Strong allegedly did doesn't take away what the WSU student did at the party.Either they both get charged or neither do. I suspect they would both choose the latter.

Taking all the information available I wouldnt charge either of them as they are both culpable. I would have advised both that I wouldnt be filing charges but if either of them wanted to they had a right to go to the courts and file a private criminal complaint but they would be doing it at their own peril.

This entire thing goes away. One game suspension and he is playing next week.

haha, in your wet dreams

 

[poorgriz]

........But, my question is if Mr Meyring is as big and aggressive as he appears, would it appear in the heat of the moment from Strong's perspective that he was trying to get up to continue the fight, and in that light, still be considered at least from Justin's point of view self defense?

Lets hope not. Depending on the prosecutor, that kind of a grey area is something they may not feel they should sort out but rather leave it to a jury...... So then come the charges.

Hopefully they will decide it was a fight and that a horrible accident occurred

Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Again, my view is that the self-defense analysis will be mostly based on what happened in the seconds before Strong's punch. The rest, like the skirmish in the house and chasing, will be used, but will be more background.

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

 

[Skookum-Jim]

Lets hope not. Depending on the prosecutor, that kind of a grey area is something they may not feel they should sort out but rather leave it to a jury...... So then come the charges.

Hopefully they will decide it was a fight and that a horrible accident occurred

Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Again, my view is that the self-defense analysis will be mostly based on what happened in the seconds before Strong's punch. The rest, like the skirmish in the house and chasing, will be used, but will be more background.

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

he's definitely a happenin' dude.

 

[Merkleman]

Just want to touch on a few points.

1) anyone suggesting by looking at the roster you can ascertain who was there is false.

2) What we know about the incident

-The WSU student started the fight in the house. What we dont know is who the aggressor was when they met up again
-The witnesses mentioned in the report and the affidavit all at the very least were acquaintances of the WSU student. They were all able to identify him by name. And none of them were able to name Strong or his friends by. This would make anything they say at the least questionable and biased.
-The investigating Officer did a poor job. She should have at least taken the names and contact info for the people with Strong. In reality should have taken statements from them as well.


I have investigated countless cases and written countless affidavits of probable cause. Where i worked nothing would come of this. Its mutual combat. If they charge Strong they would have to Charge the WSU student for the assault at the party. There is more evidence supporting that then the back end of the incident. What Strong allegedly did doesn't take away what the WSU student did at the party.Either they both get charged or neither do. I suspect they would both choose the latter.

Taking all the information available I wouldnt charge either of them as they are both culpable. I would have advised both that I wouldnt be filing charges but if either of them wanted to they had a right to go to the courts and file a private criminal complaint but they would be doing it at their own peril.

This entire thing goes away. One game suspension and he is playing next week.

haha, in your wet dreams

Your probably right. I have no experience with this stuff and I most certainly wouldnt know if the discipline had already been handed down. lol

 

[ranco]

If tea and crumpets with distinguished guests (ie: spouse) counts as a house party, then 1,000 may be in line.

 

[Ursus1]

Lets hope not. Depending on the prosecutor, that kind of a grey area is something they may not feel they should sort out but rather leave it to a jury...... So then come the charges.

Hopefully they will decide it was a fight and that a horrible accident occurred

Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Again, my view is that the self-defense analysis will be mostly based on what happened in the seconds before Strong's punch. The rest, like the skirmish in the house and chasing, will be used, but will be more background.

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

PR's typical exaggeration on 1000 brings to mind

1. He must not have been to many Butte house parties then...and trust me with his ego he would have been on the receiving end of a lot of ass kickings there as any Butte Rat will back up our tolerance level

And

2. Watch "Dinner with Schmucks" to see why he has been to 1000

 

[AZGrizFan]

So is Strong ON or OFF the team at this point? Still no word? I thought they were releasing a statement, or having a press conference, or something?