Strong

[Skookum-Jim]

Just want to touch on a few points.

1) anyone suggesting by looking at the roster you can ascertain who was there is false.

2) What we know about the incident

-The WSU student started the fight in the house. What we dont know is who the aggressor was when they met up again
-The witnesses mentioned in the report and the affidavit all at the very least were acquaintances of the WSU student. They were all able to identify him by name. And none of them were able to name Strong or his friends by. This would make anything they say at the least questionable and biased.
-The investigating Officer did a poor job. She should have at least taken the names and contact info for the people with Strong. In reality should have taken statements from them as well.


I have investigated countless cases and written countless affidavits of probable cause. Where i worked nothing would come of this. Its mutual combat. If they charge Strong they would have to Charge the WSU student for the assault at the party. There is more evidence supporting that then the back end of the incident. What Strong allegedly did doesn't take away what the WSU student did at the party.Either they both get charged or neither do. I suspect they would both choose the latter.

Taking all the information available I wouldnt charge either of them as they are both culpable. I would have advised both that I wouldnt be filing charges but if either of them wanted to they had a right to go to the courts and file a private criminal complaint but they would be doing it at their own peril.

This entire thing goes away. One game suspension and he is playing next week.

haha, in your wet dreams

Your probably right. I have no experience with this stuff and I most certainly wouldnt know if the discipline had already been handed down. lol

well, here is to hoping you're right.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I agree Strong has a problem, but he did not admit to those things. He certainly didn't admit to chasing the guy down. He said he calmed down and then saw that guy as he was going back to the party. He didn't say he whooped the guy. He admitted that he hit him twice.

I would honestly be pissed that he was even at a house party....

Almost every other house party I've ever been in while I was in college had a fight go down.

Its just the scenario...biggest part of the season ahead....just dont go man, wait a couple months till the season is done, than have your fun.

It could be anything...maybe cops show up and find drugs at the house...you didnt do them, not yours, but who knows how it will play out. Just DONT BE IN THAT SCENARIO RIGHT NOW!!!!

You are naive. Most college kids including players go to house parties every weekend. Especially players when they are supposed to stay out of the bars during season. I have been to a few thousand house parties, and probably seen only a half dozen fights.

Either you've never been to a house party in Butte, or all six you seen were in Butte because never in the history of man, has there never not been a fight in Butte, whether it be at a house party, a bar, in the street, or naked in the country.

Rules for non-Butte residents when headed to a bar in Butte:

1) First thing upon entering is buy everyone in the bar a drink. You will never buy another drink that night (except, see rule 2 below), will make a bar full of friends instantly and nobody will look to you for a fight:

2) Second, if you are a big guy, and you look around and see you are the biggest guy in the bar, somebody will try to pick a fight with you, so be ready to buy a second round of drinks which will buy you a pass, unless you want to fight;

3) If you ignore rule 2 and get your ass kicked, a) when knocked down stay down until someone picks you up, and b) accept drinks from the bad ass dude and the crowd and have fun because the guy that knocked you down will be your best buddy next time in town.

4) If you like the redheaded lassie in the corner, and the boys say give it a try, ask her if she can help you come up with something saucy to talk about in your next confession.

5) There's no advice to give if you win the fight because you won't, unless you just moved back to Butte, and you'll already know what to do.

 

[poorgriz]

Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Again, my view is that the self-defense analysis will be mostly based on what happened in the seconds before Strong's punch. The rest, like the skirmish in the house and chasing, will be used, but will be more background.

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

PR's typical exaggeration on 1000 brings to mind

1. He must not have been to many Butte house parties then...and trust me with his ego he would have been on the receiving end of a lot of ass kickings there as any Butte Rat will back up our tolerance level

And

2. Watch "Dinner with Schmucks" to see why he has been to 1000

Actually I was just saying I am still working on getting to 1,000. If you want to get technical ad see what he really typed, he's been to "A FEW THOUSAND" house parties so that means 3,000 at a minimum. I suppose at his age that's only one per week but still a pretty good showing.

 

[Fat Bruno]

Not good...

While there are differences in testimony in here...seems like pretty good chance Strong and others chased the "victim" out of the house and down the street. Self Defense?

This whole thing sucks.

Yes, if the guy stopped, turned back at them, put up his fists, acted threatening, and was a big guy.

What a pathetic crock ... IF that’s what happened. A guy who is being chased by multiple people and who then turns around to defend himself and who is then attacked by a guy who is CHASING him is not the victim of assault!!!? Is there anything you won’t make an excuse for?

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

 

[PlayerRep]

At this point all we know is something serious happened. He admitted to chasing the dude down and whooping his ass....

It doesnt matter if the kid deserved it....it doesnt matter what the court says..or who can prove what...

At this point all that matters is that Mr. Strong put himself in a stupid situation...and it has now cost him and his teammates....

Would I like to have him on the team still yes..absolutely

If I'm Stitt I'm kicking him off the team..and saying sorry kid but you did this yourself..best of luck.

Play stupid fvcking games..win stupid fvcking prizes.

I agree Strong has a problem, but he did not admit to those things. He certainly didn't admit to chasing the guy down. He said he calmed down and then saw that guy as he was going back to the party. He didn't say he whooped the guy. He admitted that he hit him twice.

Read the police report again. Pay attention to what Strong said.

I have. Now, why are you unable to articulate or quote anything? My guess is that because you have no point to make.

 

[SACCAT66]

Yes, if the guy stopped, turned back at them, put up his fists, acted threatening, and was a big guy.

What a pathetic crock ... IF that’s what happened. A guy who is being chased by multiple people and who then turns around to defend himself and who is then attacked by a guy who is CHASING him is not the victim of assault!!!? Is there anything you won’t make an excuse for?

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

Fat Bruno is right on this...Strong's basic story is that he hit the guy while he was trying to get up. That makes it not self defense...I have watch enough Locked up to know that much.

 

[PlayerRep]

Lets hope not. Depending on the prosecutor, that kind of a grey area is something they may not feel they should sort out but rather leave it to a jury...... So then come the charges.

Hopefully they will decide it was a fight and that a horrible accident occurred

Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Again, my view is that the self-defense analysis will be mostly based on what happened in the seconds before Strong's punch. The rest, like the skirmish in the house and chasing, will be used, but will be more background.

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

I went to 10 house parties on one weekend earlier this month, in Tennessee. 100's of people at several of them. Lots of college students, and adults. No fights. We have scores of them at our house every year, especially in the summer.

 

[cclarkblues]

Again, my view is that the self-defense analysis will be mostly based on what happened in the seconds before Strong's punch. The rest, like the skirmish in the house and chasing, will be used, but will be more background.

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

PR is the Wilt Chamberlain of house parties. We should be so lucky.

PR's typical exaggeration on 1000 brings to mind

1. He must not have been to many Butte house parties then...and trust me with his ego he would have been on the receiving end of a lot of ass kickings there as any Butte Rat will back up our tolerance level

And

2. Watch "Dinner with Schmucks" to see why he has been to 1000

Actually I was just saying I am still working on getting to 1,000. If you want to get technical ad see what he really typed, he's been to "A FEW THOUSAND" house parties so that means 3,000 at a minimum. I suppose at his age that's only one per week but still a pretty good showing.

 

[cclarkblues]

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

PR is the Wilt Chamberlain of house parties. We should be so lucky.

PR's typical exaggeration on 1000 brings to mind

1. He must not have been to many Butte house parties then...and trust me with his ego he would have been on the receiving end of a lot of ass kickings there as any Butte Rat will back up our tolerance level

And

2. Watch "Dinner with Schmucks" to see why he has been to 1000

Actually I was just saying I am still working on getting to 1,000. If you want to get technical ad see what he really typed, he's been to "A FEW THOUSAND" house parties so that means 3,000 at a minimum. I suppose at his age that's only one per week but still a pretty good showing.

Edited - PR is the Wilt Chamberlain of house parties. We should be so lucky.

 

[PlayerRep]

Just want to touch on a few points.

1) anyone suggesting by looking at the roster you can ascertain who was there is false.

2) What we know about the incident

-The WSU student started the fight in the house. What we dont know is who the aggressor was when they met up again
-The witnesses mentioned in the report and the affidavit all at the very least were acquaintances of the WSU student. They were all able to identify him by name. And none of them were able to name Strong or his friends by. This would make anything they say at the least questionable and biased.
-The investigating Officer did a poor job. She should have at least taken the names and contact info for the people with Strong. In reality should have taken statements from them as well.


I have investigated countless cases and written countless affidavits of probable cause. Where i worked nothing would come of this. Its mutual combat. If they charge Strong they would have to Charge the WSU student for the assault at the party. There is more evidence supporting that then the back end of the incident. What Strong allegedly did doesn't take away what the WSU student did at the party.Either they both get charged or neither do. I suspect they would both choose the latter.

Taking all the information available I wouldnt charge either of them as they are both culpable. I would have advised both that I wouldnt be filing charges but if either of them wanted to they had a right to go to the courts and file a private criminal complaint but they would be doing it at their own peril.

This entire thing goes away. One game suspension and he is playing next week.

haha, in your wet dreams

Your probably right. I have no experience with this stuff and I most certainly wouldnt know if the discipline had already been handed down. lol

It's common on egriz that people who have never done an investigation or written an affidavit, know more about the subject than people who have done it or do it for a living. These same people say that their wives and mothers can call the Griz plays, or at least under RP could, before the snap.

 

[grzz]

Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Again, my view is that the self-defense analysis will be mostly based on what happened in the seconds before Strong's punch. The rest, like the skirmish in the house and chasing, will be used, but will be more background.

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

I went to 10 house parties on one weekend earlier this month, in Tennessee. 100's of people at several of them. Lots of college students, and adults. No fights. We have scores of them at our house every year, especially in the summer.

Thanks for the invite, man.

 

[PlayerRep]

Yes, if the guy stopped, turned back at them, put up his fists, acted threatening, and was a big guy.

What a pathetic crock ... IF that’s what happened. A guy who is being chased by multiple people and who then turns around to defend himself and who is then attacked by a guy who is CHASING him is not the victim of assault!!!? Is there anything you won’t make an excuse for?

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

I haven't made any excuses. If the guy turns around, puts up his fists, is big/muscular, and has already hit you/friends in the house--or calls you an N-er, says threatening things, throws a punch or pulls a weapon--then it's perfectly fine to defends oneself. Just depends on the actual facts. Running after someone is not the end of the story.

I have never lost case in court, just for the record.

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, my view is that the self-defense analysis will be mostly based on what happened in the seconds before Strong's punch. The rest, like the skirmish in the house and chasing, will be used, but will be more background.

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

PR's typical exaggeration on 1000 brings to mind

1. He must not have been to many Butte house parties then...and trust me with his ego he would have been on the receiving end of a lot of ass kickings there as any Butte Rat will back up our tolerance level

And

2. Watch "Dinner with Schmucks" to see why he has been to 1000

Actually I was just saying I am still working on getting to 1,000. If you want to get technical ad see what he really typed, he's been to "A FEW THOUSAND" house parties so that means 3,000 at a minimum. I suppose at his age that's only one per week but still a pretty good showing.

Who limits oneself to one party a weekend?

 

[PlayerRep]

What a pathetic crock ... IF that’s what happened. A guy who is being chased by multiple people and who then turns around to defend himself and who is then attacked by a guy who is CHASING him is not the victim of assault!!!? Is there anything you won’t make an excuse for?

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

Fat Bruno is right on this...Strong's basic story is that he hit the guy while he was trying to get up. That makes it not self defense...I have watch enough Locked up to know that much.

As I have now said about 5 times, the second punch is not a good fact. But it's not dispositive. How far up was the guy up? What was he saying, if anything? Was he threatening? Did he say something like I'm going kill you? There are lots of possibilities. We will probably see what Strong's friends say eventually. What if the guy is an MMA fighter? What if he has a huge history of fights? What if he's had other assault charges? Not saying any of this is true, but who knows? None of us were there.

Some of you want to focus on one thing, and then declare game over. Sorry, it doesn't work that way in the law. And, for criminal cases that go to the jury (which I doubt this will), it only takes one juror to refuse to say guilty, and then there's no conviction.

 

[reinell30]

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

PR's typical exaggeration on 1000 brings to mind

1. He must not have been to many Butte house parties then...and trust me with his ego he would have been on the receiving end of a lot of ass kickings there as any Butte Rat will back up our tolerance level

And

2. Watch "Dinner with Schmucks" to see why he has been to 1000

Actually I was just saying I am still working on getting to 1,000. If you want to get technical ad see what he really typed, he's been to "A FEW THOUSAND" house parties so that means 3,000 at a minimum. I suppose at his age that's only one per week but still a pretty good showing.

Who limits oneself to one party a weekend?

At this age I am lucky to make one a month!

 

[Griz#64]

Look Guys: This is a bump in the road. Hell our number 1 QB goes down and guess What? Here comes a talented Freshman. I, as an ex coach understand "Bad News on late night calls from the Jail house. These coaches get paid to prepare for that fact that Nothing should surprise them if they have spent any time in the collegiate Ranks. Laser in on Weber. Less discussion the better. Upbeat practices, great film sessions, and Coach up the back-ups. Go Grizz

 

[hilinegrizfan]

What a pathetic crock ... IF that’s what happened. A guy who is being chased by multiple people and who then turns around to defend himself and who is then attacked by a guy who is CHASING him is not the victim of assault!!!? Is there anything you won’t make an excuse for?

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

Fat Bruno is right on this...Strong's basic story is that he hit the guy while he was trying to get up. That makes it not self defense...I have watch enough Locked up to know that much.

unless... he was getting up to continue to fight strong...

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Lets hope not. Depending on the prosecutor, that kind of a grey area is something they may not feel they should sort out but rather leave it to a jury...... So then come the charges.

Hopefully they will decide it was a fight and that a horrible accident occurred

Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Again, my view is that the self-defense analysis will be mostly based on what happened in the seconds before Strong's punch. The rest, like the skirmish in the house and chasing, will be used, but will be more background.

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

You have NO IDEA the accomplishments PR has accomplished throughout his life....

it really is facinating....

By my running calculation of all of the things PR has claimed he has seen and accomplished he is coming up on his 275th birthday beginning of November.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

What a pathetic crock ... IF that’s what happened. A guy who is being chased by multiple people and who then turns around to defend himself and who is then attacked by a guy who is CHASING him is not the victim of assault!!!? Is there anything you won’t make an excuse for?

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

I haven't made any excuses. If the guy turns around, puts up his fists, is big/muscular, and has already hit you/friends in the house--or calls you an N-er, says threatening things, throws a punch or pulls a weapon--then it's perfectly fine to defends oneself. Just depends on the actual facts. Running after someone is not the end of the story.

I have never lost case in court, just for the record.

Lol the one time he did come close to losing he had to tell da Vinci to "hold on for 5 minutes" while he finished the court case....after he won( obviously) he was a little irritated that the case took so long, and that is where da Vinci found the inspiration for Mona Lisa's facial expression.

It is actually know as the PlayaPortrait in the underground art worlds of eastern Europe.

Just in case nobody knew that.

 

[Mavman]

Look Guys: This is a bump in the road. Hell our number 1 QB goes down and guess What? Here comes a talented Freshman. I, as an ex coach understand "Bad News on late night calls from the Jail house. These coaches get paid to prepare for that fact that Nothing should surprise them if they have spent any time in the collegiate Ranks. Laser in on Weber. Less discussion the better. Upbeat practices, great film sessions, and Coach up the back-ups. Go Grizz

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