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[PlayerRep]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda... Every team win or lose can point to plays that impacted the outcome. I watched the game as well and found numerous times where the Beagles could have done more damage but didn't due to bad calls, inopportune calls, dropped passes, dropped interceptions, missed tackles and such. The bottom line is they kicked our ass. It was only close because the Beagles put it on auto pilot the entire 4th quarter running the clock down. It was like a boa constrictor in that entire 4th Q. The outcome was already decided by the end of the 3rd Q, we just simply fought for our life but eventually ran out of time/oxygen. Being down 4 scores is next to impossible to overcome and EWU knew it and simply ground it out. Always next year vs. them, but hopefully we meet them in the play-offs though I fear we would simply be 1-4 over the last four years to them. They are the better program... right now.

If EWU's players and coaches decided to gone on autopilot, which they clearly didn't, they should be shot. No, EWU didn't kick UM's ass. In fact, EWU barely won the game.

 

[NLGrizFan]

BS. They stopped trying to score. Look at their run attempts in the 4th compared to the entire rest of game. They were running clock. Every pass attempt was short yardage. Not a single long pass attempt. They were only passing for first downs to run clock. Every play was run with Adams looking at the clock and only turning to run the play with 8 seconds to go. The EWU defense went to a prevent and offense to more run oriented. It was two different games. We lost the first 3 quarters and won the 4th.

That must be why they shut down when Montana was making a huge catch up they just gave up and figured they'd blow off the the entire 4th quarter with 20 unanswered points. Riiiggghhhttt... :roll: And they must've figured it was ok that the Griz were threatening to put another TD in but they knew that a penalty would occur and they'd be ok.... :roll:

 

[NLGrizFan]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda... Every team win or lose can point to plays that impacted the outcome. I watched the game as well and found numerous times where the Beagles could have done more damage but didn't due to bad calls, inopportune calls, dropped passes, dropped interceptions, missed tackles and such. The bottom line is they kicked our ass. It was only close because the Beagles put it on auto pilot the entire 4th quarter running the clock down. It was like a boa constrictor in that entire 4th Q. The outcome was already decided by the end of the 3rd Q, we just simply fought for our life but eventually ran out of time/oxygen. Being down 4 scores is next to impossible to overcome and EWU knew it and simply ground it out. Always next year vs. them, but hopefully we meet them in the play-offs though I fear we would simply be 1-4 over the last four years to them. They are the better program... right now.

If EWU's players and coaches decided to gone on autopilot, which they clearly didn't, they should be shot. No, EWU didn't kick UM's ass. In fact, EWU barely won the game.

That's what I saw...

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda... Every team win or lose can point to plays that impacted the outcome. I watched the game as well and found numerous times where the Beagles could have done more damage but didn't due to bad calls, inopportune calls, dropped passes, dropped interceptions, missed tackles and such. The bottom line is they kicked our ass. It was only close because the Beagles put it on auto pilot the entire 4th quarter running the clock down. It was like a boa constrictor in that entire 4th Q. The outcome was already decided by the end of the 3rd Q, we just simply fought for our life but eventually ran out of time/oxygen. Being down 4 scores is next to impossible to overcome and EWU knew it and simply ground it out. Always next year vs. them, but hopefully we meet them in the play-offs though I fear we would simply be 1-4 over the last four years to them. They are the better program... right now.

I can't say I agree with ya. When the Griz put another TD up that was called back, nothing on their D changed. I think the momentum was rolling for the Griz O and the D was doing what they could. The way VA was talking and the way the they were tryin to run up the score (42-17) but couldn't pull ahead any further. They *shoulda, coulda, woulda* won the game.... But a killer penalty happened. It don't matter tho cuz the Griz could likely see them again in the upcoming weeks.

This is a great argument but the bigger question that needs to be answered is "why have the Griz been beaten for the better part of 7 of the last 8 quarters at home? That is not a good sign IMO.

 

[GE1963]

Jay~ I don't want to re-watch for some reason...how about the illegal hands to face call? I assume that was correct as no complaining on here or maybe I just missed it. :shock:

This call occurred when Oiland got his thumb in the defender's facemask during normal pass blocking. Unlucky and unfortunate.

Forgive me for I have to post this.
PR you are reaching even further than ever. Please just give it up. You got beat by a better team. Deal with it and move on.

 

[NLGrizFan]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda... Every team win or lose can point to plays that impacted the outcome. I watched the game as well and found numerous times where the Beagles could have done more damage but didn't due to bad calls, inopportune calls, dropped passes, dropped interceptions, missed tackles and such. The bottom line is they kicked our ass. It was only close because the Beagles put it on auto pilot the entire 4th quarter running the clock down. It was like a boa constrictor in that entire 4th Q. The outcome was already decided by the end of the 3rd Q, we just simply fought for our life but eventually ran out of time/oxygen. Being down 4 scores is next to impossible to overcome and EWU knew it and simply ground it out. Always next year vs. them, but hopefully we meet them in the play-offs though I fear we would simply be 1-4 over the last four years to them. They are the better program... right now.

I can't say I agree with ya. When the Griz put another TD up that was called back, nothing on their D changed. I think the momentum was rolling for the Griz O and the D was doing what they could. The way VA was talking and the way the they were tryin to run up the score (42-17) but couldn't pull ahead any further. They *shoulda, coulda, woulda* won the game.... But a killer penalty happened. It don't matter tho cuz the Griz could likely see them again in the upcoming weeks.

This is a great argument but the bigger question that needs to be answered is "why have the Griz been beaten for the better part of 7 of the last 8 quarters at home? That is not a good sign IMO.

Now I can agree with this. And excellent question. I have no answer but I'll throw my opinion out there. I'm bettin on lack of creativeness with the play calling. Especially when they run the same 3 plays back to back to back. Or stretch from sideline to sideline... I hope MD realizes that JJ can put games away before he graduates.

 

[PlayerRep]

Jay~ I don't want to re-watch for some reason...how about the illegal hands to face call? I assume that was correct as no complaining on here or maybe I just missed it. :shock:

This call occurred when Oiland got his thumb in the defender's facemask during normal pass blocking. Unlucky and unfortunate.

Forgive me for I have to post this.
PR you are reaching even further than ever. Please just give it up. You got beat by a better team. Deal with it and move on.

Huh? I posted how the penalty occurred. Learn to read.

 

[Griz Voice of Reason]

BS. They stopped trying to score. Look at their run attempts in the 4th compared to the entire rest of game. They were running clock. Every pass attempt was short yardage. Not a single long pass attempt. They were only passing for first downs to run clock. Every play was run with Adams looking at the clock and only turning to run the play with 8 seconds to go. The EWU defense went to a prevent and offense to more run oriented. It was two different games. We lost the first 3 quarters and won the 4th.

BS on you. EWU had 3 rushing attempts by a rb in the entire 4th quarter. This included the 4 real drives, as well as the 5th kneel down series. This was fewer than EWU's average rushing attempt in the first 3 quarters. If you think 3 rushing attempts in 5 drives is a run-oriented offense, then you don't have a clue.

You must be a politician, likely a democrat. You are cherry picking facts and using the qualifier of "running back". EWU passed 9 times in 4th Q and ran 9 times in 4th Q as compared to 40 pass attempts and 28 rush attempts for the entire game. So, as a strategy, they did run more which was the right strategy. As stated earlier, all passes were short routes. We were lucky we got our shit together to make it respectable. We have the potential but aren't there yet. EWU is better and has beaten us 3 of 4 yrs, won more games overall and gone further in playoffs. Stop being delusional and being a part of the woulda, shoulda, coulda crowd.

 

[PlayerRep]

BS. They stopped trying to score. Look at their run attempts in the 4th compared to the entire rest of game. They were running clock. Every pass attempt was short yardage. Not a single long pass attempt. They were only passing for first downs to run clock. Every play was run with Adams looking at the clock and only turning to run the play with 8 seconds to go. The EWU defense went to a prevent and offense to more run oriented. It was two different games. We lost the first 3 quarters and won the 4th.

BS on you. EWU had 3 rushing attempts by a rb in the entire 4th quarter. This included the 4 real drives, as well as the 5th kneel down series. This was fewer than EWU's average rushing attempt in the first 3 quarters. If you think 3 rushing attempts in 5 drives is a run-oriented offense, then you don't have a clue.

You must be a politician, likely a democrat. You are cherry picking facts and using the qualifier of "running back". EWU passed 9 times in 4th Q and ran 9 times in 4th Q as compared to 40 pass attempts and 28 rush attempts for the entire game. So, as a strategy, they did run more which was the right strategy. As stated earlier, all passes were short routes. We were lucky we got our shit together to make it respectable. We have the potential but aren't there yet. EWU is better and has beaten us 3 of 4 yrs, won more games overall and gone further in playoffs. Stop being delusional and being a part of the woulda, shoulda, coulda crowd.

In the 4th quarter, if there were 9 runs, 3 were by rb's, 3 were kneel-downs by the qb, and 3 were "runs" by the qb. I don't recall there being any intentional runs by the qb. They were likely scrambles. If anyone was recollection to the contrary, feel free to provide it. If you back out the 3 kneel-downs, EWU ran 6 times in the 4th. Thus, they ran 6 times in the 4th out of 25 for the game. 6 times is slightly less the 1/4 of 25. Sorry, no matter what you try to say on this one, you are wrong. Using your parlance, try sticking to the facts.

 

[Griz Voice of Reason]

Whether a scramble or not it is a rush. That is how it is officially recorded. For the uninformed, there are two stats tracked: pass yards and rush yards. They don't track "scramble" yards as they count as rush yards. Bottom line is that It isn't passing the ball on purpose. It is killing clock and not throwing ball as much. All this, in the end, doesn't matter. We lost and EWU has owned us 3 of last 4 yrs. Hopefully that changes soon.

 

[George Ferguson]

PR is right again. I have no doubt EWU went into sleep mode MENTALLY. I have no doubt they were one hundred percent sure the game was over at 42-17 and who the hell can blame them. But with the exception of the two running plays at 42-17 series and two running plays at 42-24 series, they didn't exactly go into super conservative mode. No, from after it was 42-24 they came out and starting throwing again, and you could tell they were interested in scoring again.

God, some Griz fans' agenda is so transparent it's funny. They can't even credit what was another great comeback attempt. Yes, it was bad the Griz got trounced for a good portion of the game and needed to come back, but it was a GREAT attempt at a comeback, and not to mention, IF Kjelby doesn't get flagged on Cam's touchdown it's 28-24 and THAT'S A DIFFERENT GAME and every Griz fan and EWU fan knows it.

Never-the-less, the Eags won, they are the better team, five points better, but still better. They deserved the win. I have no problem saying that. But if you think the way the Eags played the fourth quarter is the same as how Cal Poly played the last drive against the Griz, you weren't watching the game that closely. It wasn't even close to the same mentality.

 

[Griz Voice of Reason]

PR is right again. I have no doubt EWU went into sleep mode MENTALLY. I have no doubt they were one hundred percent sure the game was over at 42-17 and who the hell can blame them. But with the exception of the two running plays at 42-17 series and two running plays at 42-24 series, they didn't exactly go into super conservative mode. No, from after it was 42-24 they came out and starting throwing again, and you could tell they were interested in scoring again.

God, some Griz fans' agenda is so transparent it's funny. They can't even credit what was another great comeback attempt. Yes, it was bad the Griz got trounced for a good portion of the game and needed to come back, but it was a GREAT attempt at a comeback, and not to mention, IF Kjelby doesn't get flagged on Cam's touchdown it's 28-24 and THAT'S A DIFFERENT GAME and every Griz fan and EWU fan knows it.

Never-the-less, the Eags won, they are the better team, five points better, but still better. They deserved the win. I have no problem saying that. But if you think the way the Eags played the fourth quarter is the same as how Cal Poly played the last drive against the Griz, you weren't watching the game that closely. It wasn't even close to the same mentality.

Good points. I agree that EWU down shifted early and then tried to shift back up. It was a good comeback and something for the boys to build upon.

 

[PlayerRep]

Whether a scramble or not it is a rush. That is how it is officially recorded. For the uninformed, there are two stats tracked: pass yards and rush yards. They don't track "scramble" yards as they count as rush yards. Bottom line is that It isn't passing the ball on purpose. It is killing clock and not throwing ball as much. All this, in the end, doesn't matter. We lost and EWU has owned us 3 of last 4 yrs. Hopefully that changes soon.

A scramble shows up as a rush in the stats, but a scramble shows that the called play was a pass--not a rush--and that the offense was not shutting down or going conservative.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR is right again. I have no doubt EWU went into sleep mode MENTALLY. I have no doubt they were one hundred percent sure the game was over at 42-17 and who the hell can blame them. But with the exception of the two running plays at 42-17 series and two running plays at 42-24 series, they didn't exactly go into super conservative mode. No, from after it was 42-24 they came out and starting throwing again, and you could tell they were interested in scoring again.

God, some Griz fans' agenda is so transparent it's funny. They can't even credit what was another great comeback attempt. Yes, it was bad the Griz got trounced for a good portion of the game and needed to come back, but it was a GREAT attempt at a comeback, and not to mention, IF Kjelby doesn't get flagged on Cam's touchdown it's 28-24 and THAT'S A DIFFERENT GAME and every Griz fan and EWU fan knows it.

Never-the-less, the Eags won, they are the better team, five points better, but still better. They deserved the win. I have no problem saying that. But if you think the way the Eags played the fourth quarter is the same as how Cal Poly played the last drive against the Griz, you weren't watching the game that closely. It wasn't even close to the same mentality.

Good post. Note that there was only 1 run by a rb in the 42-24 series. I don't recall the play, so don't know if the qb was doing a running play or a scramble.

 

[NLGrizFan]

PR is right again. I have no doubt EWU went into sleep mode MENTALLY. I have no doubt they were one hundred percent sure the game was over at 42-17 and who the hell can blame them. But with the exception of the two running plays at 42-17 series and two running plays at 42-24 series, they didn't exactly go into super conservative mode. No, from after it was 42-24 they came out and starting throwing again, and you could tell they were interested in scoring again.

God, some Griz fans' agenda is so transparent it's funny. They can't even credit what was another great comeback attempt. Yes, it was bad the Griz got trounced for a good portion of the game and needed to come back, but it was a GREAT attempt at a comeback, and not to mention, IF Kjelby doesn't get flagged on Cam's touchdown it's 28-24 and THAT'S A DIFFERENT GAME and every Griz fan and EWU fan knows it.

Never-the-less, the Eags won, they are the better team, five points better, but still better. They deserved the win. I have no problem saying that. But if you think the way the Eags played the fourth quarter is the same as how Cal Poly played the last drive against the Griz, you weren't watching the game that closely. It wasn't even close to the same mentality.

Totally agree. I think they thought they were gonna either coast into a win (why they thought that in Wa-Griz is kinda baffling) or they just couldn't pick the pace back up again. They didn't even seem to try to fire back after the "would-be" TD. Either that or they were just gettin trumped and couldn't get rolling again. I think after the pick they backed off the deep ball in fear that turn overs would kill them. But it was actually the Griz shooting themselves in the foot that won the game for them.

 

[JayLarson]

Or maybe or defense stepped up and made some plays, which they did! I have a feeling the game would have gone differently if Goodwin was playing, because in the first half, minus long bomb TD and the TD down the middle, every pass was thrown in the general direction of Dennard. In the second half they threw at other guys and got picked off twice, but lets just ignore that too and say they didnt beat us by more because they shut it down. EWU did not shut it down, the Griz made another great comeback, that is all!!!!

 

[marceagfan5]

PR is right again. I have no doubt EWU went into sleep mode MENTALLY. I have no doubt they were one hundred percent sure the game was over at 42-17 and who the hell can blame them. But with the exception of the two running plays at 42-17 series and two running plays at 42-24 series, they didn't exactly go into super conservative mode. No, from after it was 42-24 they came out and starting throwing again, and you could tell they were interested in scoring again.

God, some Griz fans' agenda is so transparent it's funny. They can't even credit what was another great comeback attempt. Yes, it was bad the Griz got trounced for a good portion of the game and needed to come back, but it was a GREAT attempt at a comeback, and not to mention, IF Kjelby doesn't get flagged on Cam's touchdown it's 28-24 and THAT'S A DIFFERENT GAME and every Griz fan and EWU fan knows it.

Never-the-less, the Eags won, they are the better team, five points better, but still better. They deserved the win. I have no problem saying that. But if you think the way the Eags played the fourth quarter is the same as how Cal Poly played the last drive against the Griz, you weren't watching the game that closely. It wasn't even close to the same mentality.

Good post. Note that there was only 1 run by a rb in the 42-24 series. I don't recall the play, so don't know if the qb was doing a running play or a scramble.

The Griz definitely had a great comeback but if you don't think the Eags shut it down in the 4th you are kidding yourself. EWU thought they would coast to a win, started running the ball, the Griz made a game of it and EWU tried to pick it back up and couldn't.

You want stats, until the 4th quarter, Eastern never started a series with back to back running plays. In the 4th quarter, Eastern's first two series both started with running plays on first and second down, both led to 3 and outs. Hell, it was 2nd and 23 and Eastern ran a running play, do you think they do that in the first 3 quarters? No. Eastern stopped being aggressive and it hurt them. No doubt I think this is a runaway if Eastern keeps the pressure on to start the 4th rather than go into clock management mode but credit the Griz for staying in the game and making a comeback.

Also Eastern's starting safety and backup safety both left the game before the 4th qtr, leaving a true freshman to try to cover when the Griz went spread, and credit to the Griz, you lit the secondary up in the 4th.

Good luck from here on out...

 

[BIGskyFan33]

PR is right again. I have no doubt EWU went into sleep mode MENTALLY. I have no doubt they were one hundred percent sure the game was over at 42-17 and who the hell can blame them. But with the exception of the two running plays at 42-17 series and two running plays at 42-24 series, they didn't exactly go into super conservative mode. No, from after it was 42-24 they came out and starting throwing again, and you could tell they were interested in scoring again.

God, some Griz fans' agenda is so transparent it's funny. They can't even credit what was another great comeback attempt. Yes, it was bad the Griz got trounced for a good portion of the game and needed to come back, but it was a GREAT attempt at a comeback, and not to mention, IF Kjelby doesn't get flagged on Cam's touchdown it's 28-24 and THAT'S A DIFFERENT GAME and every Griz fan and EWU fan knows it.

Never-the-less, the Eags won, they are the better team, five points better, but still better. They deserved the win. I have no problem saying that. But if you think the way the Eags played the fourth quarter is the same as how Cal Poly played the last drive against the Griz, you weren't watching the game that closely. It wasn't even close to the same mentality.

Good post. Note that there was only 1 run by a rb in the 42-24 series. I don't recall the play, so don't know if the qb was doing a running play or a scramble.

The Griz definitely had a great comeback but if you don't think the Eags shut it down in the 4th you are kidding yourself. EWU thought they would coast to a win, started running the ball, the Griz made a game of it and EWU tried to pick it back up and couldn't.

You want stats, until the 4th quarter, Eastern never started a series with back to back running plays. In the 4th quarter, Eastern's first two series both started with running plays on first and second down, both led to 3 and outs. Hell, it was 2nd and 23 and Eastern ran a running play, do you think they do that in the first 3 quarters? No. Eastern stopped being aggressive and it hurt them. No doubt I think this is a runaway if Eastern keeps the pressure on to start the 4th rather than go into clock management mode but credit the Griz for staying in the game and making a comeback.

Also Eastern's starting safety and backup safety both left the game before the 4th qtr, leaving a true freshman to try to cover when the Griz went spread, and credit to the Griz, you lit the secondary up in the 4th.

Good luck from here on out...

:clap: :thumb: great reply marc, these guys get a bit delusional sometimes and need some redirection..

 

[George Ferguson]

Yeah, cuz Eastern fans are never delusional. Fine, I'll acknowledge the Griz were benefeciaries of VA taking it easy on them when you guys acknowledge the Eagles only won last year cause Griz' third-string QB Trent McKinney did the EXACT SAME THING. RIGHT? It really wasn't a dramatic Eastern comeback that showed fight and heart, RIGHT? It was really the Griz being too conservative in the fourth quarter and failing to catch an onside kick which bounced right into Matt Hermanson's hands. RIGHT?

 

[marceagfan5]

Yeah, cuz Eastern fans are never delusional. Fine, I'll acknowledge the Griz were benefeciaries of VA taking it easy on them when you guys acknowledge the Eagles only won last year cause Griz' third-string QB Trent McKinney did the EXACT SAME THING. RIGHT? It really wasn't a dramatic Eastern comeback that showed fight and heart, RIGHT? It was really the Griz being too conservative in the fourth quarter and failing to catch an onside kick which bounced right into Matt Hermanson's hands. RIGHT?

Haha, I will acknowledge EWU was the beneficiary of some lucky plays last year but its a whole different story to start the 4th down 6 rather than 25...

The game is behind us and the Griz have a battle on Saturday. I do think the Griz are better than they showed sat, hopefully you open up the play book more!