Recruiting QBs

[AZGrizFan]

I am not slamming our current coaches about QB recruiting. Delaney didn't recruit strong QBs either, and Jensen was the only Stitt recruit. So our failure in that area goes back to multiple staffs. And Jensen was not even good enough to start at Texas State. Looks like grades were an issue with VA, but I know for a fact that Barierre was offered by 5 Big Sky schools, and McCoy by 3. In the meantime, our QB recruits were Brown and Huot, who had no other FCS offers to my knowledge, including by MSU. Correct me if I am wrong.

"In the meantime"?

In the meantime between Barierre and now, we've recruited at least 10 or so QBs, so why focus on Brown and Huot? What about Britt? What happened with Delaney and Stitt is irrelevant, just like VA and Barierre's recruitment is irrelevant. Hauck and staff have brought in essentially 2 HS QBs that they've been trying to develop. One of those hasn't worked out, but I don't see the point in judging current and past successes with the huge advantage of hindsight. If you go back and read what people said about McCoy before we played them, people assumed he would be mediocre at best because he was awful last year. Why couldn't everyone see McCoy's brilliance last season when he was flailing around against us in Moscow? If Britt is the guy next season and the year after, and he also can't get the job done, or if we have to bring in yet another FBS Senior transfer, I think it'll be fair to question what it is we're doing.

I am fully onboard letting Britt get all the #2 reps going forward, because we know what we have in Brown, and it's not good enough, but this whole criticism based on QBs who haven't played in years just seems weird.

If you’re saying that Hauck has only brought in Brown and Huot and Britt, that would be incorrect. He recruited Wilson, who flamed out. He recruited Graves, who ended up changing positions. Rostad, who ended up changing positions. In fact, EVERY Montana-born QB except Brown has changed positions under Hauck. So, odds are, Huot will change positions at some point as well…and that’s not even bringing up all the transfers that have come and gone.

 

[uofmman1122]

"In the meantime"?

In the meantime between Barierre and now, we've recruited at least 10 or so QBs, so why focus on Brown and Huot? What about Britt? What happened with Delaney and Stitt is irrelevant, just like VA and Barierre's recruitment is irrelevant. Hauck and staff have brought in essentially 2 HS QBs that they've been trying to develop. One of those hasn't worked out, but I don't see the point in judging current and past successes with the huge advantage of hindsight. If you go back and read what people said about McCoy before we played them, people assumed he would be mediocre at best because he was awful last year. Why couldn't everyone see McCoy's brilliance last season when he was flailing around against us in Moscow? If Britt is the guy next season and the year after, and he also can't get the job done, or if we have to bring in yet another FBS Senior transfer, I think it'll be fair to question what it is we're doing.

I am fully onboard letting Britt get all the #2 reps going forward, because we know what we have in Brown, and it's not good enough, but this whole criticism based on QBs who haven't played in years just seems weird.

If you’re saying that Hauck has only brought in Brown and Huot and Britt, that would be incorrect. He recruited Wilson, who flamed out. He recruited Graves, who ended up changing positions. Rostad, who ended up changing positions. In fact, EVERY Montana-born QB except Brown has changed positions under Hauck. So, odds are, Huot will change positions at some point as well…and that’s not even bringing up all the transfers that have come and gone.

Brown is the only HS QB he’s recruited that has cracked the 2-deep. I’m not sure any of those other guys were ever in their plans to be the guy. I know they had Graves at QB for a year, but then moved off. Rostand never played QB here in any meaningful capacity. Did Wilson ever get into a game here? I honestly don’t remember.

I didn’t bring up the transfers because the whole point is finding young HS QBs. They’ve only really got a chance at developing one or two in their time here, which you can knock them for, sure. I still don’t think bringing up VA or Barierre has anything to do with anything, though.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

I am not slamming our current coaches about QB recruiting. Delaney didn't recruit strong QBs either, and Jensen was the only Stitt recruit. So our failure in that area goes back to multiple staffs. And Jensen was not even good enough to start at Texas State. Looks like grades were an issue with VA, but I know for a fact that Barierre was offered by 5 Big Sky schools, and McCoy by 3. In the meantime, our QB recruits were Brown and Huot, who had no other FCS offers to my knowledge, including by MSU. Correct me if I am wrong.

"In the meantime"?

In the meantime between Barierre and now, we've recruited at least 10 or so QBs, so why focus on Brown and Huot? What about Britt? What happened with Delaney and Stitt is irrelevant, just like VA and Barierre's recruitment is irrelevant. Hauck and staff have brought in essentially 2 HS QBs that they've been trying to develop. One of those hasn't worked out, but I don't see the point in judging current and past successes with the huge advantage of hindsight. If you go back and read what people said about McCoy before we played them, people assumed he would be mediocre at best because he was awful last year. Why couldn't everyone see McCoy's brilliance last season when he was flailing around against us in Moscow? If Britt is the guy next season and the year after, and he also can't get the job done, or if we have to bring in yet another FBS Senior transfer, I think it'll be fair to question what it is we're doing.

I am fully onboard letting Britt get all the #2 reps going forward, because we know what we have in Brown, and it's not good enough, but this whole criticism based on QBs who haven't played in years just seems weird.

What is weird about addressing the facts about a discussion regarding why were never able to recruit good high school QBs like other Big Sky teams, and must rely on one or two year rental drop-downs? This issue has been discussed quite a bit in other threads, and I just wanted to provide some facts about it from past recruiting efforts.

As for McCoy's play last season, I may remind you that he was a true freshman. How many true frosh QBs can you name who looked great playing? I guess Gevany must have grown up over the winter, huh, and now we will have to deal with him for three more seasons.

 

[AZGrizFan]

If you’re saying that Hauck has only brought in Brown and Huot and Britt, that would be incorrect. He recruited Wilson, who flamed out. He recruited Graves, who ended up changing positions. Rostad, who ended up changing positions. In fact, EVERY Montana-born QB except Brown has changed positions under Hauck. So, odds are, Huot will change positions at some point as well…and that’s not even bringing up all the transfers that have come and gone.

Brown is the only HS QB he’s recruited that has cracked the 2-deep. I’m not sure any of those other guys were ever in their plans to be the guy. I know they had Graves at QB for a year, but then moved off. Rostand never played QB here in any meaningful capacity. Did Wilson ever get into a game here? I honestly don’t remember.

I didn’t bring up the transfers because the whole point is finding young HS QBs. They’ve only really got a chance at developing one or two in their time here, which you can knock them for, sure. I still don’t think bringing up VA or Barierre has anything to do with anything, though.

True. Of ALL the HS QB's he's recruited here in the last 5 years, Brown is the only HS recruit to ever play meaningful minutes. Bobby loves him some transfers....and I'm sure HS QB's around the country see that and say "why would I want to go there and sit on the bench?" It's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they have zero interest (ability?) to develop younger players into what they desire in the QB slot. They'd rather take G5 castoffs (and don't get me wrong, I loved Sneed and I think LJ is a giant step forward)...but from a HS QB perspective, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy...the more you depend on transfers, the less HS QB's will consider coming here.

 

[uofmman1122]

"In the meantime"?

In the meantime between Barierre and now, we've recruited at least 10 or so QBs, so why focus on Brown and Huot? What about Britt? What happened with Delaney and Stitt is irrelevant, just like VA and Barierre's recruitment is irrelevant. Hauck and staff have brought in essentially 2 HS QBs that they've been trying to develop. One of those hasn't worked out, but I don't see the point in judging current and past successes with the huge advantage of hindsight. If you go back and read what people said about McCoy before we played them, people assumed he would be mediocre at best because he was awful last year. Why couldn't everyone see McCoy's brilliance last season when he was flailing around against us in Moscow? If Britt is the guy next season and the year after, and he also can't get the job done, or if we have to bring in yet another FBS Senior transfer, I think it'll be fair to question what it is we're doing.

I am fully onboard letting Britt get all the #2 reps going forward, because we know what we have in Brown, and it's not good enough, but this whole criticism based on QBs who haven't played in years just seems weird.

What is weird about addressing the facts about a discussion regarding why were never able to recruit good high school QBs like other Big Sky teams, and must rely on one or two year rental drop-downs? This issue has been discussed quite a bit in other threads, and I just wanted to provide some facts about it from past recruiting efforts.

As for McCoy's play last season, I may remind you that he was a true freshman. How many true frosh QBs can you name who looked great playing? I guess Gevany must have grown up over the winter, huh, and now we will have to deal with him for three more seasons.

Like I said, that's fine, but things from 2012 have nothing to do with things happening now.

Some perspective: over the last two seasons 40% of QBs that started games in the Big sky were drop downs or jc transfers and over 43% of all starts were made by transfers. PSU, NAU, EWU and Weber are the only schools that didn't turn to a transfer during that time.

This is an "issue" that's not just affecting us, but I don't think developing a hs QB at all costs is a magic bullet. HS QBs that come in and light the world on fire are rare, even in this conference.

That said, I still think we should give Britt more reps this season. I don't see Brown developing much more than he already has.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

We didn’t think Kupp had what it took either. So there’s that.

Yep. And Delaney passed on a guy named Josh Allen. Brent Vigen did not.

 

[Bok_Choi]

Brown is the only HS QB he’s recruited that has cracked the 2-deep. I’m not sure any of those other guys were ever in their plans to be the guy. I know they had Graves at QB for a year, but then moved off. Rostand never played QB here in any meaningful capacity. Did Wilson ever get into a game here? I honestly don’t remember.

I didn’t bring up the transfers because the whole point is finding young HS QBs. They’ve only really got a chance at developing one or two in their time here, which you can knock them for, sure. I still don’t think bringing up VA or Barierre has anything to do with anything, though.

True. Of ALL the HS QB's he's recruited here in the last 5 years, Brown is the only HS recruit to ever play meaningful minutes. Bobby loves him some transfers....and I'm sure HS QB's around the country see that and say "why would I want to go there and sit on the bench?" It's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they have zero interest (ability?) to develop younger players into what they desire in the QB slot. They'd rather take G5 castoffs (and don't get me wrong, I loved Sneed and I think LJ is a giant step forward)...but from a HS QB perspective, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy...the more you depend on transfers, the less HS QB's will consider coming here.

Boby loves him some QB he doesn't have to spend a lot of time developing. QB is hit-and-miss at best. Jensen looked like a potential world beater until he did what he would always do - transfer for less competition. How many recent Montana commits have jumped ship for P5 offers and how many of them are still with the original offer institution? Let me save you the trouble of looking. It's none of them. The QB whisperer at Bozeman dumped a kid who's tearing it up at Elon, but who could fault him for what he found and developed? Eck took a kid Petrino was in the process of ruining and turned him into one of the Big Sky's best in the space of a season.

Its about finding the right kids, developing them, and giving them legit opportunities to show what they can do. Doesn't matter what class they're in or if it's not what we normally do around here. Not sure Bobby has figured out any of those three situations as yet. But he can find a transfer. So there's that.

 

[uofmman1122]

Brown is the only HS QB he’s recruited that has cracked the 2-deep. I’m not sure any of those other guys were ever in their plans to be the guy. I know they had Graves at QB for a year, but then moved off. Rostand never played QB here in any meaningful capacity. Did Wilson ever get into a game here? I honestly don’t remember.

I didn’t bring up the transfers because the whole point is finding young HS QBs. They’ve only really got a chance at developing one or two in their time here, which you can knock them for, sure. I still don’t think bringing up VA or Barierre has anything to do with anything, though.

True. Of ALL the HS QB's he's recruited here in the last 5 years, Brown is the only HS recruit to ever play meaningful minutes. Bobby loves him some transfers....and I'm sure HS QB's around the country see that and say "why would I want to go there and sit on the bench?" It's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they have zero interest (ability?) to develop younger players into what they desire in the QB slot. They'd rather take G5 castoffs (and don't get me wrong, I loved Sneed and I think LJ is a giant step forward)...but from a HS QB perspective, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy...the more you depend on transfers, the less HS QB's will consider coming here.

Two things:

1) As I showed above, it's not just a Montana problem. It's the nature of FCS football that HS QBs are much more than likely going to have to compete with a FBS transfer no matter where they go.

2) I agree that this staff uses transfers as a crutch a lot of the time, but I don't think it's nothing to any HS QB really doing his homework that this staff has stuck with Kris Brown despite everyone and their dog calling for his benching (sometimes removal from the team entirely) for over a year now. Yes, I feel like they've given him more than enough chances to show what he can do, but it seems weird a lot of people are crying "we never give our HS QBs a chance" juxtaposed with that situation.

But again, all that said, IMO please put in Britt. :lol:

 

[mthoopsfan]

True. Of ALL the HS QB's he's recruited here in the last 5 years, Brown is the only HS recruit to ever play meaningful minutes. Bobby loves him some transfers....and I'm sure HS QB's around the country see that and say "why would I want to go there and sit on the bench?" It's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they have zero interest (ability?) to develop younger players into what they desire in the QB slot. They'd rather take G5 castoffs (and don't get me wrong, I loved Sneed and I think LJ is a giant step forward)...but from a HS QB perspective, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy...the more you depend on transfers, the less HS QB's will consider coming here.

Two things:

1) As I showed above, it's not just a Montana problem. It's the nature of FCS football that HS QBs are much more than likely going to have to compete with a FBS transfer no matter where they go.

2) I agree that this staff uses transfers as a crutch a lot of the time, but I don't think it's nothing to any HS QB really doing his homework that this staff has stuck with Kris Brown despite everyone and their dog calling for his benching (sometimes removal from the team entirely) for over a year now. Yes, I feel like they've given him more than enough chances to show what he can do, but it seems weird a lot of people are crying "we never give our HS QBs a chance" juxtaposed with that situation.

But again, all that said, IMO please put in Britt. :lol:

Good post. I particularly liked no. 2. While I would be joking a bit, I was thinking maybe UM should just get all its qb's from the portal. But I guess we wouldn't have all of the great athletes to move to other positions. When I went to college, my school brought in about 110 players each year, including 25-40 QB's. Most went to other positions if they kept playing. Great athletes. I had been a running back and linebacker in high school. In the first day of pads, the coaches told everyone who wanted to be a running back to go to a particular line. Players were pitched the ball, and told to run between cones where there was a tackler. After one run, the coaches sent us to practice either with the offense or defense. I was told to go to defense. Jeez, I didn't even get tackled.

 

[Bear Spray]

Choate built the foundation for success at MSU - stout D, athletic O linemen, and coaches who can actually coach & recruit. He was always knocked for qb recruitment. His teams couldn't throw the ball but they made up for it in the run game. Vigen's a qb guy. He hasn't recruited one dimensional passing qb's - they wouldn't fit with the team he inherited. His guys can throw the ball enough to keep the D guessing. Add in the drop back & scramble for 60 yard plays & you have to ask if at this level you really need to be recruiting the pocket passer? Egrizzers have mocked the Cats qb's & passing game for years. Interesting how things change.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Two things:

1) As I showed above, it's not just a Montana problem. It's the nature of FCS football that HS QBs are much more than likely going to have to compete with a FBS transfer no matter where they go.

2) I agree that this staff uses transfers as a crutch a lot of the time, but I don't think it's nothing to any HS QB really doing his homework that this staff has stuck with Kris Brown despite everyone and their dog calling for his benching (sometimes removal from the team entirely) for over a year now. Yes, I feel like they've given him more than enough chances to show what he can do, but it seems weird a lot of people are crying "we never give our HS QBs a chance" juxtaposed with that situation.

But again, all that said, IMO please put in Britt. :lol:

Good post. I particularly liked no. 2. While I would be joking a bit, I was thinking maybe UM should just get all its qb's from the portal. But I guess we wouldn't have all of the great athletes to move to other positions. When I went to college, my school brought in about 110 players each year, including 25-40 QB's. Most went to other positions if they kept playing. Great athletes. I had been a running back and linebacker in high school. In the first day of pads, the coaches told everyone who wanted to be a running back to go to a particular line. Players were pitched the ball, and told to run between cones where there was a tackler. After one run, the coaches sent us to practice either with the offense or defense. I was told to go to defense. Jeez, I didn't even get tackled.

I have zero issue with recruiting QB’s to move to other positions. About 95% of the time that happens we know about it at signing day as to what position they’re being recruited for (and many play a defensive position as well and yes, are the best athletes on the team many times). It just seems bizarre to me that of ALL the HS QB’s he’s recruited in the last 5 years AS QB’s, the ONLY one to see significant playing time has been Brown. Every other one has either quit the team, moved positions, or currently rides the bench.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Good post. I particularly liked no. 2. While I would be joking a bit, I was thinking maybe UM should just get all its qb's from the portal. But I guess we wouldn't have all of the great athletes to move to other positions. When I went to college, my school brought in about 110 players each year, including 25-40 QB's. Most went to other positions if they kept playing. Great athletes. I had been a running back and linebacker in high school. In the first day of pads, the coaches told everyone who wanted to be a running back to go to a particular line. Players were pitched the ball, and told to run between cones where there was a tackler. After one run, the coaches sent us to practice either with the offense or defense. I was told to go to defense. Jeez, I didn't even get tackled.

I have zero issue with recruiting QB’s to move to other positions. About 95% of the time that happens we know about it at signing day as to what position they’re being recruited for (and many play a defensive position as well and yes, are the best athletes on the team many times). It just seems bizarre to me that of ALL the HS QB’s he’s recruited in the last 5 years AS QB’s, the ONLY one to see significant playing time has been Brown. Every other one has either quit the team, moved positions, or currently rides the bench.

If you actually go back and look it isn't as surprising. From the get go, Hauck has gone with transfers at the position from day one and the only recruited high school kids were Graves, Brown, Rostad, Britt, and Hout. And even with this, I heard from the get go that they didn't think QB was the best position for Graves and Rostad.

 

[kemajic]

Vigen's a qb guy. He hasn't recruited one dimensional passing qb's - they wouldn't fit with the team he inherited. His guys can throw the ball enough to keep the D guessing.

So who gets the credit for McKay?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Good post. I particularly liked no. 2. While I would be joking a bit, I was thinking maybe UM should just get all its qb's from the portal. But I guess we wouldn't have all of the great athletes to move to other positions. When I went to college, my school brought in about 110 players each year, including 25-40 QB's. Most went to other positions if they kept playing. Great athletes. I had been a running back and linebacker in high school. In the first day of pads, the coaches told everyone who wanted to be a running back to go to a particular line. Players were pitched the ball, and told to run between cones where there was a tackler. After one run, the coaches sent us to practice either with the offense or defense. I was told to go to defense. Jeez, I didn't even get tackled.

I have zero issue with recruiting QB’s to move to other positions. About 95% of the time that happens we know about it at signing day as to what position they’re being recruited for (and many play a defensive position as well and yes, are the best athletes on the team many times). It just seems bizarre to me that of ALL the HS QB’s he’s recruited in the last 5 years AS QB’s, the ONLY one to see significant playing time has been Brown. Every other one has either quit the team, moved positions, or currently rides the bench.

What qb's quit the team? I don't know.

Hauck has had 4 seasons. His first recruiting year was short, after he was hired. Brown has been the backup for the past 2 years. Humphrey was around in 2018, Sneed's first year. I assume Humphrey was the backup then, but don't recall. Sneed and Humphrey were around in 2019 too.

Where do you think there was room for another MT qb to get playing time?

 

[AZGrizFan]

I have zero issue with recruiting QB’s to move to other positions. About 95% of the time that happens we know about it at signing day as to what position they’re being recruited for (and many play a defensive position as well and yes, are the best athletes on the team many times). It just seems bizarre to me that of ALL the HS QB’s he’s recruited in the last 5 years AS QB’s, the ONLY one to see significant playing time has been Brown. Every other one has either quit the team, moved positions, or currently rides the bench.

If you actually go back and look it isn't as surprising. From the get go, Hauck has gone with transfers at the position from day one and the only recruited high school kids were Graves, Brown, Rostad, Britt, and Hout. And even with this, I heard from the get go that they didn't think QB was the best position for Graves and Rostad.

Kills me that a Gatorade POY can’t come in and be a better QB than Brown….but I’ll defer….

 

[AZGrizFan]

I have zero issue with recruiting QB’s to move to other positions. About 95% of the time that happens we know about it at signing day as to what position they’re being recruited for (and many play a defensive position as well and yes, are the best athletes on the team many times). It just seems bizarre to me that of ALL the HS QB’s he’s recruited in the last 5 years AS QB’s, the ONLY one to see significant playing time has been Brown. Every other one has either quit the team, moved positions, or currently rides the bench.

What qb's quit the team? I don't know.

Hauck has had 4 seasons. His first recruiting year was short, after he was hired. Brown has been the backup for the past 2 years. Humphrey was around in 2018, Sneed's first year. I assume Humphrey was the backup then, but don't recall. Sneed and Humphrey were around in 2019 too.

Where do you think there was room for another MT qb to get playing time?

Tanner Wilson was only there for a year (maybe two, don’t recall), but he was recruited as a QB. A number of transfers have also come and gone.

Where do I think there was room for another QB to get playing time? How about the last two weeks? :lol:

 

[mthoopsfan]

What qb's quit the team? I don't know.

Hauck has had 4 seasons. His first recruiting year was short, after he was hired. Brown has been the backup for the past 2 years. Humphrey was around in 2018, Sneed's first year. I assume Humphrey was the backup then, but don't recall. Sneed and Humphrey were around in 2019 too.

Where do you think there was room for another MT qb to get playing time?

Tanner Wilson was only there for a year (maybe two, don’t recall), but he was recruited as a QB. A number of transfers have also come and gone.

Where do I think there was room for another QB to get playing time? How about the last two weeks? :lol:

Yes, I forgot about the transfers departing. Which MT qb would you have played the last 2 weeks instead of Brown?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Tanner Wilson was only there for a year (maybe two, don’t recall), but he was recruited as a QB. A number of transfers have also come and gone.

Where do I think there was room for another QB to get playing time? How about the last two weeks? :lol:

Yes, I forgot about the transfers departing. Which MT qb would you have played the last 2 weeks instead of Brown?

Not specifically a MT QB, but a HS recruit. There’s only one other MT QB currently in the room, and he’s a true Freshman…pretty sure he’s not getting the ball. :lol:

 

[Bear Spray]

Vigen's a qb guy. He hasn't recruited one dimensional passing qb's - they wouldn't fit with the team he inherited. His guys can throw the ball enough to keep the D guessing.

So who gets the credit for McKay?

Coach V. McKay went 9 wins/2 losses and lead the country in passing efficiency for a part of the season. When McKay left V started the kid from Butte, same kid who turned down Bobby. It’s not easy recruiting quality, mentally tough kids and competition for qb’s is fierce. V has a good resume for qb’s though. Hope it continues.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

If you actually go back and look it isn't as surprising. From the get go, Hauck has gone with transfers at the position from day one and the only recruited high school kids were Graves, Brown, Rostad, Britt, and Hout. And even with this, I heard from the get go that they didn't think QB was the best position for Graves and Rostad.

Kills me that a Gatorade POY can’t come in and be a better QB than Brown….but I’ll defer….

Yeah, crazy that Heisman Trophy winner Geno Torretta couldn't beat out a single NFL QB...but I 'll defer.