Question for the Board: Revenue from Being in the BSC?

[NorthwestFresh]

Second tier players like state college :thumb:

Predictable from a guy who didn't even graduate from a college.

 

[Spanky]

Is that necessary?

 

[NavyBlue]

Serious question: What good is a large market when nobody's watching? We outdrew SJS by a significant margin last year...and every year. In fact, I think even the Cats are right about even with them in the 17k-18k range. Just because there's lots of PEOPLE doesn't mean any of them give a shit or will EVER give a shit. The BSC has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt in Sacramento (Sac & UCD), SLC (Weber), Portland (PSU), and Denver (UNC). We passed on NDSU and SDSU when we had the chance and went for the "large market" approach....a total flop by any measure.

Why would the MWC schools want to add Missoula, MT, to their TV deal? UM would never be a Boise State on a national scale, due to limited corporate sponsorship opportunities, and would likely be a middle-of-the-pack program, with a roster full of JC transfers and out-of-state players to be marginally competitive each season.

Chris Petersen was making $2.2m/year at Boise State. How in the world could UM pay that much for an elite coach? I've seen Gonzaga brought up by the always delusional EverettGriz as some sort of blueprint for Griz basketball, but Mark Few is making $1.2m in Spokane. UM's head coach makes less money per year than pretty much every assistant at a major program in both football and basketball. Are great coaches going to come to UM and stay there, or will UM become a training ground for young coaches who are always looking for the better job?

Look at CSU and Jim McElwain. CSU paid him $1.5m/year, and that was only good enough to keep him for three seasons, when he took a losing program from 4-8 to the Las Vegas Bowl, and then bolted for Florida and more money..

It would cost more money to pay coaches at UM than UM would receive in conference TV and CFB shares. I don't think most UM "move-up" fans understand the financial investment every year needed to even be competitive on a yearly basis in FBS football. Do you know how you pay the coaches competitive wages? You increase ticket prices astronomically, because there is no way in hell the Board of Regents is going to sign off on suddenly paying coaches FBS money. Hell, Wyoming is paying Bohl $750k/year, yet some think that a university with declining enrollment is suddenly going to start growing money on trees?

Be happy with where you're at in FCS, and I'm sure that in the next few years, a lower division of FBS football will be in the works. The MWC dreams are never going to happen if things stay the same as they are right now.

How in the f*** can Boise State win BCS bowls based on the size of their city/corporate sponsors? How can Nebraska be one of the most successful D-I teams in history based on that criteria? You're full of shit, you just don't know it.

Also, why specify the Missoula TV market, rather than the hundreds of thousands of Montanans that would actually watch our games (including fans of the opposing team, or just CFB fans in general)? Does Nebraska count only on the TV market in Lincoln?

Boise State can pay a decent coach enough money to first hire them, and then keep them around. Nebraska gets 90k in attendance, and has always played in a league that matters.

Are you gong to address how UM would pay even minimal salaries for a decent FBS coach? Who is going to pay for the massive increase in recruiting dollars? Driving around Montana, which has maybe 2 legitimate FBS players a year if lucky, isn't going to cut it anymore. The bulk of the team will either be second-tier players from CA, or academic risk/behavior risk first-risk guys that the big schools don't think is worth the trouble. You're then competing with Boise/Fresno/SDSU for those kids. Bigger schools, in bigger markets, with much better facilities and typically much closer to home.

Yes, UM WOULD have to come up with some money for things like coaching salaries and increased scholarships, there is now arument there. My point all along is if a school like say, Utah State with less season ticket holders, average attendance, booster club members, ect. can do it; the Griz COULD too if they got the right people in place and made it a priority. I have never said they necessarily SHOULD, (though I do WISH they were in the MWC) or that they WOULD do it. Quite frankly, it is clear that the powers that be at UM, haven not made being in FBS a priority and it is not in cards for the GRIZ. My point is that it COULD be done, that is all. And I use an example of a school that compares unfavorably to the Griz in several ways to make my point.

As far as out of state players goes, USU got BETTER when they started recruiting more local players and less out of state players. I am not convinced that UM couldn't compete in the MWC and still not rely heavily (not exclusively, but they don't do that now) on Montana recruits.

 

[NavyBlue]

Second tier players like state college :thumb:

Predictable from a guy who didn't even graduate from a college.

There is no need for insults and name calling, which you have been doing alot of. People who do that, I find are usually losing the argument.

You are a Cat fan, and you said losing to the Griz doesn't bother you (BS). Why do you even CARE? I thought before you said you didn't.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

A Utah State fan arguing with a Montana State fan about why they care about the University of Montana. :?:

 

[AZGrizFan]

As far as out of state players goes, USU got BETTER when they started recruiting more local players and less out of state players. I am not convinced that UM couldn't compete in the MWC and still not really heavily (not exclusively, but they don't do that now) on Montana recruits.

Agreed. The issue on the Griz isn't talent level (The number of players we send to the NFL proves that), it's depth. Something 22 extra schollies cures. In addition, take the best 5-8 Montana players off the 'scats and they'd be Griz as well, plus we'd have had a shot at guys like Matt Miller and other FBS players who had to go out of state.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Is that necessary?

You call MSU "state college" as an insult, yet I doubt you could have even been accepted to either UM or MSU. It's the worst type of fan. Someone with no allegiance to the school other than the sports' teams, yet who hates the rival for no apparent reason. If you're dogging MSU as being second-rate, what does that make you? I don't hate UM. I have plenty of relatives that went to school there, and we all get together for Cat/Griz parties if I'm not at the actual game.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Is that necessary?

You call MSU "state college" as an insult, yet I doubt you could have even been accepted to either UM or MSU. It's the worst type of fan. Someone with no allegiance to the school other than the sports' teams, yet who hates the rival for no apparent reason. If you're dogging MSU as being second-rate, what does that make you?

So you're saying that you are the "fan police"? Or maybe you are the "Miss Manners" of college football? Last time I checked a person can be a fan of a team without having any particular connection to the team -- or there sure shouldn't be a whole lot of fans for professional teams now should there? And as for hating the rival... do you think Spanky invented that? Pretty standard faire. If coming to a Griz fan website causes you to get all butt-hurt... then don't.

 

[UNDfan]

I believe, just my opinion, that if the Griz HAD moved to the WAC, they would have been invited to the MWC instead of San Jose State.

You still ignore the political realities of Montana State. The two are tied at the hip. MWC won't take two Montana schools. If Montana had one FBS and research institution like Wyoming, then it would be practical and politically possible, but that's not the case. As of now, NMSU is much closer to MWC membership than either Montana.

Where are you hearing that? Everything I have heard from the MWC Commisioner says they need to check into "Plan B", because they ar not getting into the MWC.

For a guy that says he does not to care Northwest, seems to have alot to say on this subject. :roll:
He still hasn't answered my points comparing to USU to UM....but how can he?

On the Csn board, NMSU came up as well as UTEP, by a UNM official. Probably just brought them up favorably because of politics, but NMSU has a yearly dance basketball team and at least is FBS certified, with at least 16 sports, unlike Montana. Whenever NMSU comes around, UTEP has a habit of vacating the premises. UNM has to play nice with them.

The order of MWC expansion preference:

1. Houston (won't get)
2. SMU (won't get)
3. Rice
4. UTEP
5. Tulsa
6. North Texas
7. UTSA
8. Wichita St
9. Texas St
10. NMSU

11. UCDavis
12. Montana & Mt St
13. Idaho

Things worked well when TCU joined the MWC.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Second tier players like state college :thumb:

Predictable from a guy who didn't even graduate from a college.

There is no need for insults and name calling, which you have been doing alot of. People who do that, I find are usually losing the argument.

You are a Cat fan, and you said losing to the Griz doesn't bother you (BS). Why do you even CARE? I thought before you said you didn't.

Yes, I haven't been called any names here at all, have I? EverettGriz's entire MO is insulting people from other schools via personal insults. If pointing out that a fan didn't go to college at "their" school is an insult, that's on that fan, and not on the person pointing out that they aren't a graduate.

You're a Utah State fan. Why are you on this board? Why do you care? There is no chance of UM being in the MWC as things are structured right now, for a variety of reasons that I've brought up, yet the only responses I get have to do with me being an MSU grad, "second-tier," a "moron," etc. etc. Nobody will address adding sports, adding scholarships, adding to coaching salaries, greatly expanding the recruiting budget, raising ticket prices, and needing a body-bag road game each year in place of a home game.

 

[EverettGriz]

I believe, just my opinion, that if the Griz HAD moved to the WAC, they would have been invited to the MWC instead of San Jose State.

You still ignore the political realities of Montana State. The two are tied at the hip. MWC won't take two Montana schools. If Montana had one FBS and research institution like Wyoming, then it would be practical and politically possible, but that's not the case. As of now, NMSU is much closer to MWC membership than either Montana.

Where are you hearing that? Everything I have heard from the MWC Commisioner says they need to check into "Plan B", because they ar not getting into the MWC.

For a guy that says he does not to care Northwest, seems to have alot to say on this subject. :roll:
He still hasn't answered my points comparing to USU to UM....but how can he?

On the Csn board, NMSU came up as well as UTEP, by a UNM official. Probably just brought them up favorably because of politics, but NMSU has a yearly dance basketball team and at least is FBS certified, with at least 16 sports, unlike Montana. Whenever NMSU comes around, UTEP has a habit of vacating the premises. UNM has to play nice with them.

The order of MWC expansion preference:

1. Houston (won't get)
2. SMU (won't get)
3. Rice
4. UTEP
5. Tulsa
6. North Texas
7. UTSA
8. Wichita St
9. Texas St
10. NMSU

11. UCDavis
12. Montana & Mt St
13. Idaho

Things worked well when TCU joined the MWC.

You must drink.

 

[EverettGriz]

EverettGriz's entire MO is insulting people from other schools via personal insults.

Only when they're morons.


You're a moron.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

EverettGriz's entire MO is insulting people from other schools via personal insults.

Only when they're morons.


You're a moron.

I bring up valid points that not a single Griz fan will address regarding a potential move to the MWC. You stomp your feet and call people names. I can only assume that you're an idiot, after years of witnessing your act.

 

[UNDfan]

You still ignore the political realities of Montana State. The two are tied at the hip. MWC won't take two Montana schools. If Montana had one FBS and research institution like Wyoming, then it would be practical and politically possible, but that's not the case. As of now, NMSU is much closer to MWC membership than either Montana.

Where are you hearing that? Everything I have heard from the MWC Commisioner says they need to check into "Plan B", because they ar not getting into the MWC.

For a guy that says he does not to care Northwest, seems to have alot to say on this subject. :roll:
He still hasn't answered my points comparing to USU to UM....but how can he?

On the Csn board, NMSU came up as well as UTEP, by a UNM official. Probably just brought them up favorably because of politics, but NMSU has a yearly dance basketball team and at least is FBS certified, with at least 16 sports, unlike Montana. Whenever NMSU comes around, UTEP has a habit of vacating the premises. UNM has to play nice with them.

The order of MWC expansion preference:

1. Houston (won't get)
2. SMU (won't get)
3. Rice
4. UTEP
5. Tulsa
6. North Texas
7. UTSA
8. Wichita St
9. Texas St
10. NMSU

11. UCDavis
12. Montana & Mt St
13. Idaho

Things worked well when TCU joined the MWC.

You must drink.

After all this discussion about why the Griz aren't MWC material, but still holding out delusions, huh? Texas has excess Fb players that can ball in the MWC and eyeballs for TV. Montana no and no.

 

[billings_poke]

1. Houston (won't get)
2. SMU (won't get)
3. Rice
4. UTEP
5. Tulsa
6. North Texas
7. UTSA
8. Wichita St
9. Texas St
10. NMSU

11. UCDavis
12. Montana & Mt St
13. Idaho

Things worked well when TCU joined the MWC.

More like

UTSA (was actually contacted about MWC membership already)
UTEP (was actually contacted about MWC membership already)
North Texas
Rice (if they invest like TCU did)
Texas State

Nobody else in FBS wants in the MWC or would get an invite
NMSU and Idaho have zero shot at an invite without huge changes

 

[UNDfan]

1. Houston (won't get)
2. SMU (won't get)
3. Rice
4. UTEP
5. Tulsa
6. North Texas
7. UTSA
8. Wichita St
9. Texas St
10. NMSU

11. UCDavis
12. Montana & Mt St
13. Idaho

Things worked well when TCU joined the MWC.

More like

UTSA (was actually contacted about MWC membership already)
UTEP (was actually contacted about MWC membership already)
North Texas
Rice (if they invest like TCU did)
Texas State

Nobody else in FBS wants in the MWC or would get an invite
NMSU and Idaho have zero shot at an invite without huge changes

Texas schools won't go by themselves. UTEP, UTSA, Rice etc want three Texas teams before they would consider it.

Montana is way way down the list, which is the point. But some fans here seem to believe if Engstrom just asked, Montana would be in.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Texas schools won't go by themselves. UTEP, UTSA, Rice etc want three Texas teams before they would consider it.

Montana is way way down the list, which is the point. But some fans here seem to believe if Engstrom just asked, Montana would be in.

Wait, you're saying the MWC would prefer the nearly 2 million eyeballs in the El Paso/Juarez metro area over the 120k in the Missoula metro area? No way! The Griz have plans for an indoor practice facility some day in the future!

 

[Spanky]

Northwest is on the Griz board telling us how it is, yet he hasn't figured out why state college usually ends up losing when they play us. Does he think it may have something to do with the inferior talent on his team and the difficulty of recruiting student-athletes to attend school at Montana State College?

 

[garizzalies]

It's the worst type of fan. Someone with no allegiance to the school other than the sports' teams, yet who hates the rival for no apparent reason.

Didn't we already cover this? YOU are the worst type of fan. When it's convenient for you to be a griz fan, you are, but when it does not support whatever the hell agenda you keep blabbing on about, you aren't.

FYI, despite your rants, nobody here seems to think UM is ready for a move-up tomorrow although some believe UM may be building toward that goal. Thus, your rants really look like sour grapes from a little brother being left behind. Otherwise, why the hell do you care so much about what your rival's pipe-dreams are? It would be like me spending days on BCN trying to convince them not to relocate the turd pond. Makes no sense.

 

[mtgrizrule]

As much as I like the subject of a possible move up, and/or what it takes to do so, these threads are going nowhere. Yet another move up thread derailed by a few. Christ Sakes, we know the drawbacks more than we know solutions and positives. I appreciate both sides of this, but why the need to continue to post the same negatives over and over (NWF)? WE egrizzers get where you are coming from , and have no idea why in the hell what the GRIZ do or don't do is a big deal to you?

I don't mind anyone posting either side of this, but can we please attempt to be civil and not rehash the same crap over and over in these threads?

Fact is some GRIZ fans feel it is possible to make a successful transition. In my case, my interest in a move (MWC or not) is my lack of faith in the powers to be of the Big Sky Conference. I have very little faith or confidence in them. Meanwhile being part of a newly formed BCS conference, or moving to an existing one gives myself and other fans, a little better peace of mind.

Fact is, the GRIZ are just making preparations at this point for whatever comes our way!!! I have faith the powers to be at Montana will make the best decision when that times comes, just as they did when the WAC was turned down.

The smart ass comments about what egrizzers are or are not claiming is tiresome and over the top any more. It is unnecessary. Can we please just let this play out, and if possible have a civil conversation about it? (I know this is egriz, that is a big thing to ask).