Question for the Board: Revenue from Being in the BSC?

[NorthwestFresh]

Northwest is on the Griz board telling us how it is, yet he hasn't figured out why state college usually ends up losing when they play us. Does he think it may have something to do with the inferior talent on his team and the difficulty of recruiting student-athletes to attend school at Montana State College?

UM has a better football team most years than MSU. What that has to do with your silly "Montana State College" slam, when you couldn't even be admitted there, only you know, I guess. I think UM is a wonderful university, and many of my very good friends not only graduated from there, but also work there. Degrading MSU student-athletes as being "second-tier" from a guy who didn't even go to college seems stupid to me. MSU had 6 Hampshire Academic Honorees last season; UM had one, yet a non-college grad is calling MSU student-athletes "second-tier?"

 

[Spanky]

Well Northwest, I can't say that I like anything about your school.

 

[AZGrizFan]

1. Houston (won't get)
2. SMU (won't get)
3. Rice
4. UTEP
5. Tulsa
6. North Texas
7. UTSA
8. Wichita St
9. Texas St
10. NMSU

11. UCDavis
12. Montana & Mt St
13. Idaho

Things worked well when TCU joined the MWC.

More like

UTSA (was actually contacted about MWC membership already)
UTEP (was actually contacted about MWC membership already)
North Texas
Rice (if they invest like TCU did)
Texas State

Nobody else in FBS wants in the MWC or would get an invite
NMSU and Idaho have zero shot at an invite without huge changes

Texas schools won't go by themselves. UTEP, UTSA, Rice etc want three Texas teams before they would consider it.

Montana is way way down the list, which is the point. But some fans here seem to believe if Engstrom just asked, Montana would be in.

Do you have any proof UTSA and UTEP have been contacted about membership? And I know of not ONE SINGLE fan on this board who has stated your ridiculous claim in your last sentence. That's pure retardation right there.

 

[EverettGriz]

Don't bother trying to talk sensibly with undfan.

 

[UNDfan]

1. Houston (won't get)
2. SMU (won't get)
3. Rice
4. UTEP
5. Tulsa
6. North Texas
7. UTSA
8. Wichita St
9. Texas St
10. NMSU

11. UCDavis
12. Montana & Mt St
13. Idaho

Things worked well when TCU joined the MWC.

More like

UTSA (was actually contacted about MWC membership already)
UTEP (was actually contacted about MWC membership already)
North Texas
Rice (if they invest like TCU did)
Texas State

Nobody else in FBS wants in the MWC or would get an invite
NMSU and Idaho have zero shot at an invite without huge changes

Texas schools won't go by themselves. UTEP, UTSA, Rice etc want three Texas teams before they would consider it.

Montana is way way down the list, which is the point. But some fans here seem to believe if Engstrom just asked, Montana would be in.

Do you have any proof UTSA and UTEP have been contacted about membership? And I know of not ONE SINGLE fan on this board who has stated your ridiculous claim in your last sentence. That's pure retardation right there.

Billingspoke will provide proof, as he said it, not me. I said the Texas G5 schools are so far ahead of you that Engstrom won't even get a courtesy call.

The MWC has never offered an FCS school membership. The Big West has and the WAC offered Texas schools. You've got to start somewhere below the MWC.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Don't bother trying to talk sensibly with undfan.

You're a running joke. I notice you don't have any counterpoints to the reasons that UM will never be an ideal for the MWC, as it is currently structured.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Holy shit, it would be cool if the Yoke's produce manager would give it a rest. Focus on getting some ripe avocados into your store or something. We get it. You're a cat fan on a Griz board who doesn't like what Griz fans are saying. You don't have to say it 100 times, in exactly the same way, after saying you were done.

 

[EverettGriz]

Don't bother trying to talk sensibly with undfan.

You're a running joke. I notice you don't have any counterpoints to the reasons that UM will never be an ideal for the MWC, as it is currently structured.

I don't give counterpoints to non-points. It's this little program I support called, "Don't belittle the fucking morons with your advanced intellect". Its admittedly a rather small gesture, but I do what I can when it comes to the fucking morons like you.

 

[Spanky]

This guy, Northwest should stay on the state college board with the other losers.

 

[NavyBlue]

Second tier players like state college :thumb:

Predictable from a guy who didn't even graduate from a college.

There is no need for insults and name calling, which you have been doing alot of. People who do that, I find are usually losing the argument.

You are a Cat fan, and you said losing to the Griz doesn't bother you (BS). Why do you even CARE? I thought before you said you didn't.

Yes, I haven't been called any names here at all, have I? EverettGriz's entire MO is insulting people from other schools via personal insults. If pointing out that a fan didn't go to college at "their" school is an insult, that's on that fan, and not on the person pointing out that they aren't a graduate.

You're a Utah State fan. Why are you on this board? Why do you care? There is no chance of UM being in the MWC as things are structured right now, for a variety of reasons that I've brought up, yet the only responses I get have to do with me being an MSU grad, "second-tier," a "moron," etc. etc. Nobody will address adding sports, adding scholarships, adding to coaching salaries, greatly expanding the recruiting budget, raising ticket prices, and needing a body-bag road game each year in place of a home game.

Yes, I am a Utah State alum and fan, and I got my graduate degree from an Indiana university. I have been following the Griz since Larry Donovan was the Head Coach. I grew up in western Montana, and I am a fourth generation Montanan. Most of my family still lives in Montana. I almost went to UM or MSU (beginning to be real glad that I didn't go to MSU), I applied to and was accepted to both. I had lived out of state (Utah) for a couple years after getting out of the military so I would have had to pay out of state tution that is why I went to USU. I got in-state tuition. I hope that is a good enough reason for me to follow the Griz. Not being an alum of either school I also used to pull for the Cats when not playing the Griz. That is starting to change of some interactions with some of thier fan base.

I have always said there would be challenges to the Griz moving up. Player Rep has outlined that challenges quite well. I don't think the Griz will ever move up. My point all along is that it COULD be done and I use my school for an example that compares unfavorably to the Griz in several ways. Yes, I know it would be a challenge and the Griz don't have an invitation to join the MWC, I get that just saying it COULD be done if the right people were in place and made it a priority. Just like USU starting to be decent at football after 30 years of futility. There were people like you, Northwest that said it COULD NOT be done at USU and then they would list of many disadvantages that USU had for thier reasons why USU would never again be good at football. They were proven wrong. With the right people and a VISION the Griz COULD do it, has been my only point. I don't think they will. Yes, I WISH they WOULD, I would love to see my two favorite teams in the same conference again. I also agree with those that say UM looks more like a typical MWC school than a typical BSC school.

And when you call those that disagree with you "stupid", that is an insult. And giving Spanky such a hard time for not going to college is not right. You have no clue what his situation is, maybe he couldn't go or didn't NEED to with the choice he made for a career. Some of the smartest people I know are not college educated and some of the bigges douchbags I know have college eduations.

 

[NavyBlue]

Don't bother trying to talk sensibly with undfan.

You're a running joke. I notice you don't have any counterpoints to the reasons that UM will never be an ideal for the MWC, as it is currently structured.

Another insult.

 

[NavyBlue]

Predictable from a guy who didn't even graduate from a college.

There is no need for insults and name calling, which you have been doing alot of. People who do that, I find are usually losing the argument.

You are a Cat fan, and you said losing to the Griz doesn't bother you (BS). Why do you even CARE? I thought before you said you didn't.

Yes, I haven't been called any names here at all, have I? EverettGriz's entire MO is insulting people from other schools via personal insults. If pointing out that a fan didn't go to college at "their" school is an insult, that's on that fan, and not on the person pointing out that they aren't a graduate.

You're a Utah State fan. Why are you on this board? Why do you care? There is no chance of UM being in the MWC as things are structured right now, for a variety of reasons that I've brought up, yet the only responses I get have to do with me being an MSU grad, "second-tier," a "moron," etc. etc. Nobody will address adding sports, adding scholarships, adding to coaching salaries, greatly expanding the recruiting budget, raising ticket prices, and needing a body-bag road game each year in place of a home game.

Yes, I am a Utah State alum and fan, and I got my graduate degree from an Indiana university. I have been following the Griz since Larry Donovan was the Head Coach. I grew up in western Montana, and I am a fourth generation Montanan. Most of my family still lives in Montana. I almost went to UM or MSU (beginning to be real glad that I didn't go to MSU), I applied to and was accepted to both. I had lived out of state (Utah) for a couple years after getting out of the military so I would have had to pay out of state tution that is why I went to USU. I got in-state tuition. I hope that is a good enough reason for me to follow the Griz. Not being an alum of either school I also used to pull for the Cats when not playing the Griz. That is starting to change of some interactions with some of thier fan base.

I have always said there would be challenges to the Griz moving up. Player Rep has outlined that challenges quite well. I don't think the Griz will ever move up. My point all along is that it COULD be done and I use my school for an example that compares unfavorably to the Griz in several ways. Yes, I know it would be a challenge and the Griz don't have an invitation to join the MWC, I get that just saying it COULD be done if the right people were in place and made it a priority. Just like USU starting to be decent at football after 30 years of futility. There were people like you, Northwest that said it COULD NOT be done at USU and then they would list of many disadvantages that USU had for thier reasons why USU would never again be good at football. They were proven wrong. With the right people and a VISION the Griz COULD do it, has been my only point. I don't think they will. Yes, I WISH they WOULD, I would love to see my two favorite teams in the same conference again. I also agree with those that say UM looks more like a typical MWC school than a typical BSC school.

And when you call those that disagree with you "stupid", that is an insult. And giving Spanky such a hard time for not going to college is not right. You have no clue what his situation is, maybe he couldn't go or didn't NEED to with the choice he made for a career. Some of the smartest people I know are not college educated and some of the bigges douchbags I know have college eduations.

And by the way I don't go to USU's rival schools (BYU and Utah) message boards, ever.

 

[NavyBlue]

Don't bother trying to talk sensibly with undfan.

You're a running joke. I notice you don't have any counterpoints to the reasons that UM will never be an ideal for the MWC, as it is currently structured.

You haven't offered any counter points to my saying that UM has higher attendance, season tickent holders, and booster club members, than USU and yet they are in the MWC and it absolutely COULD NOT be done at UM according to you.

Oh, yeah you said you were moving on....GOOD! :clap:

 

[get'em_griz]

As much as I like the subject of a possible move up, and/or what it takes to do so, these threads are going nowhere. Yet another move up thread derailed by a few. Christ Sakes, we know the drawbacks more than we know solutions and positives. I appreciate both sides of this, but why the need to continue to post the same negatives over and over (NWF)? WE egrizzers get where you are coming from , and have no idea why in the hell what the GRIZ do or don't do is a big deal to you?

I don't mind anyone posting either side of this, but can we please attempt to be civil and not rehash the same crap over and over in these threads?

Fact is some GRIZ fans feel it is possible to make a successful transition. In my case, my interest in a move (MWC or not) is my lack of faith in the powers to be of the Big Sky Conference. I have very little faith or confidence in them. Meanwhile being part of a newly formed BCS conference, or moving to an existing one gives myself and other fans, a little better peace of mind.

Fact is, the GRIZ are just making preparations at this point for whatever comes our way!!! I have faith the powers to be at Montana will make the best decision when that times comes, just as they did when the WAC was turned down.

The smart ass comments about what egrizzers are or are not claiming is tiresome and over the top any more. It is unnecessary. Can we please just let this play out, and if possible have a civil conversation about it? (I know this is egriz, that is a big thing to ask).

This is eGriz.

:lol: :wink:

Totally agree, though. Great post, mtgrizrule. :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

More like

UTSA (was actually contacted about MWC membership already)
UTEP (was actually contacted about MWC membership already)
North Texas
Rice (if they invest like TCU did)
Texas State

Nobody else in FBS wants in the MWC or would get an invite
NMSU and Idaho have zero shot at an invite without huge changes

Texas schools won't go by themselves. UTEP, UTSA, Rice etc want three Texas teams before they would consider it.

Montana is way way down the list, which is the point. But some fans here seem to believe if Engstrom just asked, Montana would be in.

Do you have any proof UTSA and UTEP have been contacted about membership? And I know of not ONE SINGLE fan on this board who has stated your ridiculous claim in your last sentence. That's pure retardation right there.

Billingspoke will provide proof, as he said it, not me. I said the Texas G5 schools are so far ahead of you that Engstrom won't even get a courtesy call.

The MWC has never offered an FCS school membership. The Big West has and the WAC offered Texas schools. You've got to start somewhere below the MWC.

I note you didn't address the ridiculous statement veracity. :roll: :roll:

 

[Canyoncat]

I think it is inevitable that both MSU and UM will have to “move up”. I think we are going to see the same type of thing that happened back in 1978 when the I-AA division was created. Schools that cannot compete monetarily with the schools in the Big 5 will have to form a new division and the upper 1/3 of the current FCS programs will probably move into this “new” division so they can still be considered division 1 and compete in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. The more successful schools in the lower 5 will move into the Big 5 creating room for the more successful FCS programs to go into this new football division. In my opinion I think it is obvious that both MSU and UM are positioning themselves for this eventual change so they can go into this new division. Yes we are a little behind you on somethings, but not as far as some would think. When this change happens is anyone’s guess, but I think it will have to happen. Most of the Big Sky Schools should be able to move into this new division minus Northern Colorado, Southern Utah and Portland State (who will probably just drop football after this year). I am not even sure if EWU could move if they don’t get the Gateway project built. MSU needs to keep building on the success we have enjoyed the last 10 years or so (yes, need to make some deeper runs in the playoffs and beat the griz on a more consistent basis). What will have to be worked out is scholarship levels, TV Revenue and if there will be some sort of playoff system or regional bowl system plus 100 more things that I am not aware of or thinking about. It will happen, it has to happen.

 

[UNDfan]

Texas schools won't go by themselves. UTEP, UTSA, Rice etc want three Texas teams before they would consider it.

Montana is way way down the list, which is the point. But some fans here seem to believe if Engstrom just asked, Montana would be in.

Do you have any proof UTSA and UTEP have been contacted about membership? And I know of not ONE SINGLE fan on this board who has stated your ridiculous claim in your last sentence. That's pure retardation right there.

Billingspoke will provide proof, as he said it, not me. I said the Texas G5 schools are so far ahead of you that Engstrom won't even get a courtesy call.

The MWC has never offered an FCS school membership. The Big West has and the WAC offered Texas schools. You've got to start somewhere below the MWC.

I note you didn't address the ridiculous statement veracity. :roll: :roll:

Example of how clueless some egriz posters are. Just ask Haslam if the Griz have a decent shot at the MWC why don't ya.

MWC schools like the idea of going into Texas because 1) Their TV contracts would increase because of Texas eyeballs, 2) Texas schools have money to spend on football, 3) Texas in the MWC would provide a recruiting Bonanza for MWC skill positions. All three of these pts are opposite, major negatives for Montana. Got it?

A conference will not consider Montana a recruiting bonanza unless it was based in the Yukon territories.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think it is inevitable that both MSU and UM will have to “move up”. I think we are going to see the same type of thing that happened back in 1978 when the I-AA division was created. Schools that cannot compete monetarily with the schools in the Big 5 will have to form a new division and the upper 1/3 of the current FCS programs will probably move into this “new” division so they can still be considered division 1 and compete in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. The more successful schools in the lower 5 will move into the Big 5 creating room for the more successful FCS programs to go into this new football division. In my opinion I think it is obvious that both MSU and UM are positioning themselves for this eventual change so they can go into this new division. Yes we are a little behind you on somethings, but not as far as some would think. When this change happens is anyone’s guess, but I think it will have to happen. Most of the Big Sky Schools should be able to move into this new division minus Northern Colorado, Southern Utah and Portland State (who will probably just drop football after this year). I am not even sure if EWU could move if they don’t get the Gateway project built. MSU needs to keep building on the success we have enjoyed the last 10 years or so (yes, need to make some deeper runs in the playoffs and beat the griz on a more consistent basis). What will have to be worked out is scholarship levels, TV Revenue and if there will be some sort of playoff system or regional bowl system plus 100 more things that I am not aware of or thinking about. It will happen, it has to happen.

Why would the Big 5 want to dilute their brand and the share their fairly significant conference revenues (which some but not all of the Big 5 have) with the top 1/3 of FCS? Makes zero sense to me. I can see some FBS conferences inviting an FCS school from time to time, when there is an opening or need, but I just don't see any reason for the Big 5 to be interested at all in a bunch of FCS schools, and certainly not the MWC.

UM's mini-feasibility study about 4 years ago showed huge costs to move at that time to a lesser conference like the WAC. I assume the cost to move now to the MWC would be double or triple what the cost of moving to the WAC would have been 4 years ago. There is a huge arms-race going on in FBS. Even some pretty good FBS schools and decent FBS conferences are not able to keep up.

 

[poorgriz]

I think it is inevitable that both MSU and UM will have to “move up”. I think we are going to see the same type of thing that happened back in 1978 when the I-AA division was created. Schools that cannot compete monetarily with the schools in the Big 5 will have to form a new division and the upper 1/3 of the current FCS programs will probably move into this “new” division so they can still be considered division 1 and compete in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. The more successful schools in the lower 5 will move into the Big 5 creating room for the more successful FCS programs to go into this new football division. In my opinion I think it is obvious that both MSU and UM are positioning themselves for this eventual change so they can go into this new division. Yes we are a little behind you on somethings, but not as far as some would think. When this change happens is anyone’s guess, but I think it will have to happen. Most of the Big Sky Schools should be able to move into this new division minus Northern Colorado, Southern Utah and Portland State (who will probably just drop football after this year). I am not even sure if EWU could move if they don’t get the Gateway project built. MSU needs to keep building on the success we have enjoyed the last 10 years or so (yes, need to make some deeper runs in the playoffs and beat the griz on a more consistent basis). What will have to be worked out is scholarship levels, TV Revenue and if there will be some sort of playoff system or regional bowl system plus 100 more things that I am not aware of or thinking about. It will happen, it has to happen.

Why would the Big 5 want to dilute their brand and the share their fairly significant conference revenues (which some but not all of the Big 5 have) with the top 1/3 of FCS? Makes zero sense to me. I can see some FBS conferences inviting an FCS school from time to time, when there is an opening or need, but I just don't see any reason for the Big 5 to be interested at all in a bunch of FCS schools, and certainly not the MWC.

UM's mini-feasibility study about 4 years ago showed huge costs to move at that time to a lesser conference like the WAC. I assume the cost to move now to the MWC would be double or triple what the cost of moving to the WAC would have been 4 years ago. There is a huge arms-race going on in FBS. Even some pretty good FBS schools and decent FBS conferences are not able to keep up.

I don't think you quite understood what he was saying.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Predictable from a guy who didn't even graduate from a college.

There is no need for insults and name calling, which you have been doing alot of. People who do that, I find are usually losing the argument.

You are a Cat fan, and you said losing to the Griz doesn't bother you (BS). Why do you even CARE? I thought before you said you didn't.

Yes, I haven't been called any names here at all, have I? EverettGriz's entire MO is insulting people from other schools via personal insults. If pointing out that a fan didn't go to college at "their" school is an insult, that's on that fan, and not on the person pointing out that they aren't a graduate.

You're a Utah State fan. Why are you on this board? Why do you care? There is no chance of UM being in the MWC as things are structured right now, for a variety of reasons that I've brought up, yet the only responses I get have to do with me being an MSU grad, "second-tier," a "moron," etc. etc. Nobody will address adding sports, adding scholarships, adding to coaching salaries, greatly expanding the recruiting budget, raising ticket prices, and needing a body-bag road game each year in place of a home game.

Yes, I am a Utah State alum and fan, and I got my graduate degree from an Indiana university. I have been following the Griz since Larry Donovan was the Head Coach. I grew up in western Montana, and I am a fourth generation Montanan. Most of my family still lives in Montana. I almost went to UM or MSU (beginning to be real glad that I didn't go to MSU), I applied to and was accepted to both. I had lived out of state (Utah) for a couple years after getting out of the military so I would have had to pay out of state tution that is why I went to USU. I got in-state tuition. I hope that is a good enough reason for me to follow the Griz. Not being an alum of either school I also used to pull for the Cats when not playing the Griz. That is starting to change of some interactions with some of thier fan base.

I have always said there would be challenges to the Griz moving up. Player Rep has outlined that challenges quite well. I don't think the Griz will ever move up. My point all along is that it COULD be done and I use my school for an example that compares unfavorably to the Griz in several ways. Yes, I know it would be a challenge and the Griz don't have an invitation to join the MWC, I get that just saying it COULD be done if the right people were in place and made it a priority. Just like USU starting to be decent at football after 30 years of futility. There were people like you, Northwest that said it COULD NOT be done at USU and then they would list of many disadvantages that USU had for thier reasons why USU would never again be good at football. They were proven wrong. With the right people and a VISION the Griz COULD do it, has been my only point. I don't think they will. Yes, I WISH they WOULD, I would love to see my two favorite teams in the same conference again. I also agree with those that say UM looks more like a typical MWC school than a typical BSC school.

And when you call those that disagree with you "stupid", that is an insult. And giving Spanky such a hard time for not going to college is not right. You have no clue what his situation is, maybe he couldn't go or didn't NEED to with the choice he made for a career. Some of the smartest people I know are not college educated and some of the bigges douchbags I know have college eduations.

tl; dr