Question for the Board: Revenue from Being in the BSC?

[NorthwestFresh]

He listed just the head coach salaries. On the right of that chart is total staff pay, so SJSU would be about $1,600,000. Plus add in increased pay for all athletics. Not just football.

AZGrizfan has yet to be right about anything in this discussion.

Tell me again how "big time" programs don't offer 4-year guaranteed scholarships, AZGriz. That was a hoot.

Keep hanging your hat on that one, unrelated issue. You're the one coming off like a complete retard in this thread (and many others). Once again, nobody is contesting the fact that salaries would go up, and in many cases go WAY up. But so would revenue.

Tell me again how none of the projects are underway. Tell me again how the Champions Center isn't funded (I'll take the word directly out of the Assistant AD's mouth, not some dipshit on a message board)...tell me again how an IPF isn't in the plan (again, I'll take the word of the Assistant AD over your obviously biased one)....

Why don't you go back to worrying about how much people have donated to the university... :roll: :roll:

Funded does not mean fully paid for, and you know it. Or, maybe you don't. There are financing options available that have been shared many times on this board that are a contingency if entire $14m isn't raised by groundbreaking. Money that will have to paid back, with interest, to either a lender, or to the taxpayers if the funding is via bond.

 

[mtgrizrule]

He is not implying that anyone from the current POWER 5 BCS conferences would join the top 1/3 of FCS. He is logically thinking the remaining BCS schools who are not part of whatever the highest level NCAA division will be, will be the ones joining forces with the upper level FCS programs.

Why would Boise State, Fresno State, or San Diego State, for example, want to further dilute their TV and CFB revenue with schools of almost zero national importance in athletics, such as UM or MSU? Seems like a big win for the MSUs and UMs, and a dumb decision by the BSUs and SDSUs.

Nobody knows which schools will make the cut for the POWER 5 or whatever division the highest level will be!!!!! Some will just miss the cut, be told why, and what they need to do, etc. They could later on try being part of it. BSU for example has to better their academic requirements to make the cut. More power to them, if they can do that.

In another thread you even posted you thought a new level would emerge of some kind. I do agree with PR, none of the "CURRENT" schools from the BIG 5 conferences will remain at the top level. Some schools in the current MWC will be impacted and not make the cut, like it or not.

 

[AZGrizFan]

He listed just the head coach salaries. On the right of that chart is total staff pay, so SJSU would be about $1,600,000. Plus add in increased pay for all athletics. Not just football.

AZGrizfan has yet to be right about anything in this discussion.

Tell me again how "big time" programs don't offer 4-year guaranteed scholarships, AZGriz. That was a hoot.

Keep hanging your hat on that one, unrelated issue. You're the one coming off like a complete retard in this thread (and many others). Once again, nobody is contesting the fact that salaries would go up, and in many cases go WAY up. But so would revenue.

Tell me again how none of the projects are underway. Tell me again how the Champions Center isn't funded (I'll take the word directly out of the Assistant AD's mouth, not some dipshit on a message board)...tell me again how an IPF isn't in the plan (again, I'll take the word of the Assistant AD over your obviously biased one)....

Why don't you go back to worrying about how much people have donated to the university... :roll: :roll:

Funded does not mean fully paid for, and you know it. Or, maybe you don't. There are financing options available that have been shared many times on this board that are a contingency if entire $14m isn't raised by groundbreaking.

Right. So it's funded. Hallefuckinglujah. We agree on something.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

He is not implying that anyone from the current POWER 5 BCS conferences would join the top 1/3 of FCS. He is logically thinking the remaining BCS schools who are not part of whatever the highest level NCAA division will be, will be the ones joining forces with the upper level FCS programs.

Why would Boise State, Fresno State, or San Diego State, for example, want to further dilute their TV and CFB revenue with schools of almost zero national importance in athletics, such as UM or MSU? Seems like a big win for the MSUs and UMs, and a dumb decision by the BSUs and SDSUs.

Nobody knows which schools will make the cut for the POWER 5 or whatever division the highest level will be!!!!! Some will just miss the cut, be told why, and what they need to do, etc. They could later on try being part of it. BSU for example has to better their academic requirements to make the cut. More power to them, if they can do that.

In another thread you even posted you thought a new level would emerge of some kind. I do agree with PR, none of the "CURRENT" schools from the BIG 5 conferences will remain at the top level. Some schools in the current MWC will be impacted and not make the cut, like it or not.

I understand what you're saying, but I still think that the Boises, Fresnos, CSUs, and SDSUs would try to partner with other programs who are funded at their level.

I just don't see why any of those schools, from a financial viewpoint, would want to share their TV and CFB money with schools in very small markets who will have a difficult time being relevant in their conference in football.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Right. So it's funded. Hallefuckinglujah. We agree on something.

I said in another thread that UM was still trying to raise the matching funds. That is true. No new projects can go forward until existing projects are fully paid back, as per UM itself.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

MTGRIZRULE,

I appreciate and am enjoying the conversation with you. You make some very good points, and it's a pleasure gaining understanding on another perspective from an obviously informed poster.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Do you have any proof UTSA and UTEP have been contacted about membership? And I know of not ONE SINGLE fan on this board who has stated your ridiculous claim in your last sentence. That's pure retardation right there.

Billingspoke will provide proof, as he said it, not me. I said the Texas G5 schools are so far ahead of you that Engstrom won't even get a courtesy call.

The MWC has never offered an FCS school membership. The Big West has and the WAC offered Texas schools. You've got to start somewhere below the MWC.

I note you didn't address the ridiculous statement veracity. :roll: :roll:

Example of how clueless some egriz posters are. Just ask Haslam if the Griz have a decent shot at the MWC why don't ya.

MWC schools like the idea of going into Texas because 1) Their TV contracts would increase because of Texas eyeballs, 2) Texas schools have money to spend on football, 3) Texas in the MWC would provide a recruiting Bonanza for MWC skill positions. All three of these pts are opposite, major negatives for Montana. Got it?

A conference will not consider Montana a recruiting bonanza unless it was based in the Yukon territories.

Does Haslam post on this board? Because you stated that some fans here believe if Engstrom just asked, we'd get into the MWC. NOBODY here has EVER stated that. The only two clueless ones here are you and NWF....coincidentally NEITHER of you are Griz fans. :roll: :roll:

 

[NorthwestFresh]

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Does Haslam post on this board? Because you stated that some fans here believe if Engstrom just asked, we'd get into the MWC. NOBODY here has EVER stated that. The only two clueless ones here are you and NWF....coincidentally NEITHER of you are Griz fans. :roll: :roll:

If the MWC isn't the goal, why all of the posts comparing UM's facilities to MWC schools? Just an exercise in fantasy?

Hmm...

 

[mtgrizrule]

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Does Haslam post on this board? Because you stated that some fans here believe if Engstrom just asked, we'd get into the MWC. NOBODY here has EVER stated that. The only two clueless ones here are you and NWF....coincidentally NEITHER of you are Griz fans. :roll: :roll:

If the MWC isn't the goal, why all of the posts comparing UM's facilities to MWC schools? Just an exercise in fantasy?

Hmm...

Could it be, currently that is the BCS conference that makes most sense? It makes sense geographically, fanbases/attendance numbers, and academically. It is certainly much more sensible the Sunbelt, Conference USA, or the MAC. Then again, with all the unknowns, anything is possible.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Could it be, currently that is the BCS conference that makes most sense? It makes sense geographically, fanbases/attendance numbers, and academically. It is certainly much more sensible the Sunbelt, Conference USA, or the MAC. Then again, with all the unknowns, anything is possible.

Sure, it would be a bonanza for UM and/or MSU. Why the MWC would want to further divvy up their money with underfunded programs is what I can't see.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Interesting, how many BCS programs the GRIZ rank ahead of in attendance.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24891415/college-football-attendance-home-crowds-drop-to-lowest-in-14-years" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Interesting, how many BCS programs the GRIZ rank ahead of in attendance.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24891415/college-football-attendance-home-crowds-drop-to-lowest-in-14-years" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Attendance doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Eyeballs on TV and success at the FBS level is what matters to a conference like the MWC. If the Pac 12 could start over again, there is no way Oregon State nor Wazzu would be in the conference. That's why the Pac 12 tried so hard to get Texas and whoever they wanted to bring to the table when the conference expanded. Instead, Texas leveraged that (and their TV eyeballs) into their own TV network, which basically supports the entire Big 12 (along with the Texas high school athletes that dominate that conference.

Financially, UM and MSU are a negative in a conference like the MWC. They would be takers, and the makers like Boise/Fresno/SDSU/CSU, in my opinion, would be resistant to bringing in takers that take money out of their pockets.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Interesting, how many BCS programs the GRIZ rank ahead of in attendance.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24891415/college-football-attendance-home-crowds-drop-to-lowest-in-14-years" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Attendance doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Eyeballs on TV and success at the FBS level is what matters to a conference like the MWC. If the Pac 12 could start over again, there is no way Oregon State nor Wazzu would be in the conference. That's why the Pac 12 tried so hard to get Texas and whoever they wanted to bring to the table when the conference expanded. Instead, Texas leveraged that (and their TV eyeballs) into their own TV network, which basically supports the entire Big 12 (along with the Texas high school athletes that dominate that conference.

Financially, UM and MSU are a negative in a conference like the MWC. They would be takers, and the makers like Boise/Fresno/SDSU/CSU, in my opinion, would be resistant to bringing in takers that take money out of their pockets.

Again, like it or not, there will be some disappointed current BCS teams. Someone has to miss the cut. I completely understand and know that television viewing is a huge factor in the equation, along with many other factors. Also what many are not taking into consideration are our old ties. Many of our old fan bases would welcome and support the GRIZ being in the same conference as BSU, Nevada, USU, Wyoming, etc. Hell many GRIZ and Cat fans have followed and supported those programs over the years. I know I have, and many of my friends. I don't watch much BCS football, because I hate the system. My 1st BCS watching priority is Nebraska. After Nebraska, the BCS games I watch WAZZU, and our old conference rivals. I know damn well our former conference rivals have fans that would tune into the GRIZ.

I am not sure if there is anyway to get raw viewing numbers of all the current MWC teams, but I would not be surprised if the GRIZ and Cats have more eyes on their tv games than some of the current MWC. I have lived in Nebraska a combined 12 years. It is a football crazy state. Montana is also a football crazy state. Rather it be GRIZ or Cats fans, Montanans have their eyes glued to the tv when they cannot attend the games. The only difference between the Montana and Nebraska scenario is that the Huskers are among the elite in college football. As for fan interest and viewing, there is not much of a difference.

I think people are under estimating the passion of Montanans when it comes to football. I don't understand or see why this is an argument. Fact is, none of us know what to expect in the future of college football. The only thing we realistically know is there will be changes. I don't see why you shoot down most every possibility addressed here by GRIZ fans or anyone that is even somewhat supportive of the GRIZ being able to be in a better place when all the moves materialize, whenever that might be?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Interesting, how many BCS programs the GRIZ rank ahead of in attendance.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24891415/college-football-attendance-home-crowds-drop-to-lowest-in-14-years" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Based on 2013 data the Griz had better attendance than (if I remember correctly) 44 FBS teams....I posted the list on another thread, but didn't differentiate between FBS and BCS.

 

[AZGrizFan]

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Does Haslam post on this board? Because you stated that some fans here believe if Engstrom just asked, we'd get into the MWC. NOBODY here has EVER stated that. The only two clueless ones here are you and NWF....coincidentally NEITHER of you are Griz fans. :roll: :roll:

If the MWC isn't the goal, why all of the posts comparing UM's facilities to MWC schools? Just an exercise in fantasy?

Hmm...

Try and stay with us here...noone is saying the MWC isn't the goal. But NOONE has said that if Engstrom would just ask, we'd be in. And that was what UNDfan stated. We all (at least Griz fans) realize it's just a tad bit more complex than that. :roll:

 

[UNDfan]

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Does Haslam post on this board? Because you stated that some fans here believe if Engstrom just asked, we'd get into the MWC. NOBODY here has EVER stated that. The only two clueless ones here are you and NWF....coincidentally NEITHER of you are Griz fans. :roll: :roll:

If the MWC isn't the goal, why all of the posts comparing UM's facilities to MWC schools? Just an exercise in fantasy?

Hmm...

Could it be, currently that is the BCS conference that makes most sense? It makes sense geographically, fanbases/attendance numbers, and academically. It is certainly much more sensible the Sunbelt, Conference USA, or the MAC. Then again, with all the unknowns, anything is possible.

The MWC is just below the American in RPI strength,, and before they lost TCU, BYU, and Utah, that conference was arguing it should have P5 status. The MWC will not ask an FCS team to join them.

Montana can compete with some MWC teams some years, but over the long term, the Griz would just be non-competitve. What the west needs is a Sunwest or MAC level conference, like App St has and UMass had. A reconfigured Big Sky can do that, if the NCAA changes the rules. I've never argued that Montana couldn't be FBS, only that MWC budgets are too high for any BSC team to be competitive. Idaho moved up without real allies, and what did it give them? Idaho will be pleading its case with the NCAA next spring, and the fate of the BSC rests on that decision: will the NCAA allow Idaho BSC allies to go FBS.

 

[mtgrizrule]

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Does Haslam post on this board? Because you stated that some fans here believe if Engstrom just asked, we'd get into the MWC. NOBODY here has EVER stated that. The only two clueless ones here are you and NWF....coincidentally NEITHER of you are Griz fans. :roll: :roll:

If the MWC isn't the goal, why all of the posts comparing UM's facilities to MWC schools? Just an exercise in fantasy?

Hmm...

Try and stay with us here...noone is saying the MWC isn't the goal. But NOONE has said that if Engstrom would just ask, we'd be in. And that was what UNDfan stated. We all (at least Griz fans) realize it's just a tad bit more complex than that. :roll:

EXACTLY, hit the nail on the head. :thumb: :clap:

 

[UNDfan]

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Does Haslam post on this board? Because you stated that some fans here believe if Engstrom just asked, we'd get into the MWC. NOBODY here has EVER stated that. The only two clueless ones here are you and NWF....coincidentally NEITHER of you are Griz fans. :roll: :roll:

If the MWC isn't the goal, why all of the posts comparing UM's facilities to MWC schools? Just an exercise in fantasy?

Hmm...

Try and stay with us here...noone is saying the MWC isn't the goal. But NOONE has said that if Engstrom would just ask, we'd be in. And that was what UNDfan stated. We all (at least Griz fans) realize it's just a tad bit more complex than that. :roll:

EXACTLY, hit the nail on the head. :thumb: :clap:

And the Griz can't go FBS unless the Big SKY can take teams there. NDSU fans believe that Montana and NDSU could join the MWC now, as the MWc is begging them. At least some posters here believe the crap bisonation/lakesbison spews.

 

[AZGrizFan]

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Does Haslam post on this board? Because you stated that some fans here believe if Engstrom just asked, we'd get into the MWC. NOBODY here has EVER stated that. The only two clueless ones here are you and NWF....coincidentally NEITHER of you are Griz fans. :roll: :roll:

If the MWC isn't the goal, why all of the posts comparing UM's facilities to MWC schools? Just an exercise in fantasy?

Hmm...

Could it be, currently that is the BCS conference that makes most sense? It makes sense geographically, fanbases/attendance numbers, and academically. It is certainly much more sensible the Sunbelt, Conference USA, or the MAC. Then again, with all the unknowns, anything is possible.

The MWC is just below the American in RPI strength,, and before they lost TCU, BYU, and Utah, that conference was arguing it should have P5 status. The MWC will not ask an FCS team to join them.

Montana can compete with some MWC teams some years, but over the long term, the Griz would just be non-competitve. What the west needs is a Sunwest or MAC level conference, like App St has and UMass had. A reconfigured Big Sky can do that, if the NCAA changes the rules. I've never argued that Montana couldn't be FBS, only that MWC budgets are too high for any BSC team to be competitive. Idaho moved up without real allies, and what did it give them? Idaho will be pleading its case with the NCAA next spring, and the fate of the BSC rests on that decision: will the NCAA allow Idaho BSC allies to go FBS.

They gonna have a 3 team conference? Because there ain't another team in the Sky outside of MAYBE MSU that has a snowballs chance in hell of making a move to FBS. One of the points of moving up is to eliminate the association with crap teams, not just move up en masse with them.

 

[UNDfan]

If the MWC isn't the goal, why all of the posts comparing UM's facilities to MWC schools? Just an exercise in fantasy?

Hmm...

Could it be, currently that is the BCS conference that makes most sense? It makes sense geographically, fanbases/attendance numbers, and academically. It is certainly much more sensible the Sunbelt, Conference USA, or the MAC. Then again, with all the unknowns, anything is possible.

The MWC is just below the American in RPI strength,, and before they lost TCU, BYU, and Utah, that conference was arguing it should have P5 status. The MWC will not ask an FCS team to join them.

Montana can compete with some MWC teams some years, but over the long term, the Griz would just be non-competitve. What the west needs is a Sunwest or MAC level conference, like App St has and UMass had. A reconfigured Big Sky can do that, if the NCAA changes the rules. I've never argued that Montana couldn't be FBS, only that MWC budgets are too high for any BSC team to be competitive. Idaho moved up without real allies, and what did it give them? Idaho will be pleading its case with the NCAA next spring, and the fate of the BSC rests on that decision: will the NCAA allow Idaho BSC allies to go FBS.

They gonna have a 3 team conference? Because there ain't another team in the Sky outside of MAYBE MSU that has a snowballs chance in hell of making a move to FBS. One of the points of moving up is to eliminate the association with crap teams, not just move up en masse with them.

So youre saying EWU, UCDavis, and Cal Poly are completely delusional by fundraising for FBS stadiums? The crap EWU team has kicked Griz ass lately, as well as FBS teams.