Question for the Board: Revenue from Being in the BSC?

[KoolMoeDee]

 

[GrizLA]

so, just who is going to pay the millions of dollars needed for "moving up"? Don't count on the tv market or internet. That is changing faster since the Merryweather fight demonstrated how foolish it is to think technology will preserve the status quo. And, isn't UM now dealing with a multi dollar deficit and dwindling enrollment in a state that refuses to fund infrastructure improvements?

 

[mtgrizrule]

so, just who is going to pay the millions of dollars needed for "moving up"? Don't count on the tv market or internet. That is changing faster since the Merryweather fight demonstrated how foolish it is to think technology will preserve the status quo. And, isn't UM now dealing with a multi dollar deficit and dwindling enrollment in a state that refuses to fund infrastructure improvements?

It is not like this will happen overnight or within a few years. I feel the GRIZ should plan this into the equation for a 3 to 7 year period. Right now, the GRIZ can stay put. Whatever the options will be will not be known until there is more movement at the current BCS level. Personally, I doubt anything impacts the GRIZ until the Power 5 BCS conferences separate officially announce they are separating from the current NCAA DIV 1 football format.

 

[Griz90]

What you dogs are missing is new thinking!

Twist your brain and think. Start a NEW league using Montana and others. Make it a tweener. Above our current size but below the big dogs. NCAA or not, off we go. Perhaps two or three leagues in the US. Play-off systems. Slight increase in schollies, Needed are stadiums that hold 15,000. Other criteria will be needed.

Some of you deep thinkers can toy with this and it will stop us from the continued dead horse beating. We keep needing new horses....

And the new conference is....the High Plains Conference (or some other appropriate title)...consisting of 9 core schools - Montana, MSU, UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Idaho, Idaho State, and Wyoming. Could perhaps add two or three more depending on various factors. It would be a strong regional conference with natural rivalries and reasonable distances to travel for the schools and their fans. I know it's a pipe dream but what the hell.

 

[mtgrizrule]

What you dogs are missing is new thinking!

Twist your brain and think. Start a NEW league using Montana and others. Make it a tweener. Above our current size but below the big dogs. NCAA or not, off we go. Perhaps two or three leagues in the US. Play-off systems. Slight increase in schollies, Needed are stadiums that hold 15,000. Other criteria will be needed.

Some of you deep thinkers can toy with this and it will stop us from the continued dead horse beating. We keep needing new horses....

And the new conference is....the High Plains Conference (or some other appropriate title)...consisting of 9 core schools - Montana, MSU, UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Idaho, Idaho State, and Wyoming. Could perhaps add two or three more depending on various factors. It would be a strong regional conference with natural rivalries and reasonable distances to travel for the schools and their fans. I know it's a pipe dream but what the hell.

I doubt a new conference would get Wyoming to leave the MWC. They have no reason to leave. Granted I'd love to have them and Nevada in the same conference with the GRIZ.

 

[EverettGriz]

so, just who is going to pay the millions of dollars needed for "moving up"?

While I cannot say for certain, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the same people that are paying for the 130 programs currently thriving at that level.

 

[mtgrizrule]

so, just who is going to pay the millions of dollars needed for "moving up"?

While I cannot say for certain, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the same people that are paying for the 130 programs currently thriving at that level.

Some of the money would come from additional revenue that Men's and Women's basketball and volleyball programs would likely gain with a move. Softball will generate it's fair share of revenue as well. I really don't know if the remaining sports are even money making sports. I'd be surprised if other sports make much money.

 

[billings_poke]

What you dogs are missing is new thinking!

Twist your brain and think. Start a NEW league using Montana and others. Make it a tweener. Above our current size but below the big dogs. NCAA or not, off we go. Perhaps two or three leagues in the US. Play-off systems. Slight increase in schollies, Needed are stadiums that hold 15,000. Other criteria will be needed.

Some of you deep thinkers can toy with this and it will stop us from the continued dead horse beating. We keep needing new horses....

And the new conference is....the High Plains Conference (or some other appropriate title)...consisting of 9 core schools - Montana, MSU, UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Idaho, Idaho State, and Wyoming. Could perhaps add two or three more depending on various factors. It would be a strong regional conference with natural rivalries and reasonable distances to travel for the schools and their fans. I know it's a pipe dream but what the hell.

GAG. Wyo would drop football first

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I believe, just my opinion, that if the Griz HAD moved to the WAC, they would have been invited to the MWC instead of San Jose State.

Why would the MWC want Missoula, MT over San Jose, CA, in the conference? Montana would be a taker, in terms of TV revenue, advertising impact for sponsors, market size, etc. etc. UM can't just say "hey MWC, we want in!" Schools in larger markets would fight it vehemently. Montana (and Montana State as well) bring nothing to the table that the MWC needs. Why would the large market schools want to further dilute their share of CFB profits?

 

[AZGrizFan]

I believe, just my opinion, that if the Griz HAD moved to the WAC, they would have been invited to the MWC instead of San Jose State.

Why would the MWC want Missoula, MT over San Jose, CA, in the conference? Montana would be a taker, in terms of TV revenue, advertising impact for sponsors, market size, etc. etc. UM can't just say "hey MWC, we want in!" Schools in larger markets would fight it vehemently. Montana (and Montana State as well) bring nothing to the table that the MWC needs. Why would the large market schools want to further dilute their share of CFB profits?

Serious question: What good is a large market when nobody's watching? We outdrew SJS by a significant margin last year...and every year. In fact, I think even the Cats are right about even with them in the 17k-18k range. Just because there's lots of PEOPLE doesn't mean any of them give a shit or will EVER give a shit. The BSC has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt in Sacramento (Sac & UCD), SLC (Weber), Portland (PSU), and Denver (UNC). We passed on NDSU and SDSU when we had the chance and went for the "large market" approach....a total flop by any measure.

 

[get'em_griz]

I believe, just my opinion, that if the Griz HAD moved to the WAC, they would have been invited to the MWC instead of San Jose State.

Why would the MWC want Missoula, MT over San Jose, CA, in the conference? Montana would be a taker, in terms of TV revenue, advertising impact for sponsors, market size, etc. etc. UM can't just say "hey MWC, we want in!" Schools in larger markets would fight it vehemently. Montana (and Montana State as well) bring nothing to the table that the MWC needs. Why would the large market schools want to further dilute their share of CFB profits?

Serious question: What good is a large market when nobody's watching? We outdrew SJS by a significant margin last year...and every year. In fact, I think even the Cats are right about even with them in the 17k-18k range. Just because there's lots of PEOPLE doesn't mean any of them give a shit or will EVER give a shit. The BSC has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt in Sacramento (Sac & UCD), SLC (Weber), Portland (PSU), and Denver (UNC). We passed on NDSU and SDSU when we had the chance and went for the "large market" approach....a total flop by any measure.

BINGO! Spot on, AZ. :thumb:

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Serious question: What good is a large market when nobody's watching? We outdrew SJS by a significant margin last year...and every year. In fact, I think even the Cats are right about even with them in the 17k-18k range. Just because there's lots of PEOPLE doesn't mean any of them give a shit or will EVER give a shit. The BSC has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt in Sacramento (Sac & UCD), SLC (Weber), Portland (PSU), and Denver (UNC). We passed on NDSU and SDSU when we had the chance and went for the "large market" approach....a total flop by any measure.

Why would the MWC schools want to add Missoula, MT, to their TV deal? UM would never be a Boise State on a national scale, due to limited corporate sponsorship opportunities, and would likely be a middle-of-the-pack program, with a roster full of JC transfers and out-of-state players to be marginally competitive each season.

Chris Petersen was making $2.2m/year at Boise State. How in the world could UM pay that much for an elite coach? I've seen Gonzaga brought up by the always delusional EverettGriz as some sort of blueprint for Griz basketball, but Mark Few is making $1.2m in Spokane. UM's head coach makes less money per year than pretty much every assistant at a major program in both football and basketball. Are great coaches going to come to UM and stay there, or will UM become a training ground for young coaches who are always looking for the better job?

Look at CSU and Jim McElwain. CSU paid him $1.5m/year, and that was only good enough to keep him for three seasons, when he took a losing program from 4-8 to the Las Vegas Bowl, and then bolted for Florida and more money..

It would cost more money to pay coaches at UM than UM would receive in conference TV and CFB shares. I don't think most UM "move-up" fans understand the financial investment every year needed to even be competitive on a yearly basis in FBS football. Do you know how you pay the coaches competitive wages? You increase ticket prices astronomically, because there is no way in hell the Board of Regents is going to sign off on suddenly paying coaches FBS money. Hell, Wyoming is paying Bohl $750k/year, yet some think that a university with declining enrollment is suddenly going to start growing money on trees?

Be happy with where you're at in FCS, and I'm sure that in the next few years, a lower division of FBS football will be in the works. The MWC dreams are never going to happen if things stay the same as they are right now.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I believe, just my opinion, that if the Griz HAD moved to the WAC, they would have been invited to the MWC instead of San Jose State.

Why would the MWC want Missoula, MT over San Jose, CA, in the conference? Montana would be a taker, in terms of TV revenue, advertising impact for sponsors, market size, etc. etc. UM can't just say "hey MWC, we want in!" Schools in larger markets would fight it vehemently. Montana (and Montana State as well) bring nothing to the table that the MWC needs. Why would the large market schools want to further dilute their share of CFB profits?

Serious question: What good is a large market when nobody's watching? We outdrew SJS by a significant margin last year...and every year. In fact, I think even the Cats are right about even with them in the 17k-18k range. Just because there's lots of PEOPLE doesn't mean any of them give a shit or will EVER give a shit. The BSC has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt in Sacramento (Sac & UCD), SLC (Weber), Portland (PSU), and Denver (UNC). We passed on NDSU and SDSU when we had the chance and went for the "large market" approach....a total flop by any measure.

BINGO! Spot on, AZ. :thumb:

UM, MSU, EWU, NDSU, etc. etc. play small-time football. Thankfully, dividends have come from those markets for both UM and MSU in terms of being able to sell recruits on the opportunity to play near home a few times in their career.

 

[get'em_griz]

Serious question: What good is a large market when nobody's watching? We outdrew SJS by a significant margin last year...and every year. In fact, I think even the Cats are right about even with them in the 17k-18k range. Just because there's lots of PEOPLE doesn't mean any of them give a shit or will EVER give a shit. The BSC has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt in Sacramento (Sac & UCD), SLC (Weber), Portland (PSU), and Denver (UNC). We passed on NDSU and SDSU when we had the chance and went for the "large market" approach....a total flop by any measure.

Be happy with where you're at in FCS, and I'm sure that in the next few years, a lower division of FBS football will be in the works. The MWC dreams are never going to happen if things stay the same as they are right now.

And THIS is the point many are trying to make. We know we will never be able to compete with the big boys, but definitely can compete in a lower-tier FBS division. That is where people say Montana has more in common with than it does with most of the Big Sky and FCS. And it looks as if Montana is making sure it is ready if that lower division comes to fruition.

 

[Tod]

Serious question: What good is a large market when nobody's watching? We outdrew SJS by a significant margin last year...and every year. In fact, I think even the Cats are right about even with them in the 17k-18k range. Just because there's lots of PEOPLE doesn't mean any of them give a shit or will EVER give a shit. The BSC has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt in Sacramento (Sac & UCD), SLC (Weber), Portland (PSU), and Denver (UNC). We passed on NDSU and SDSU when we had the chance and went for the "large market" approach....a total flop by any measure.

Why would the MWC schools want to add Missoula, MT, to their TV deal? UM would never be a Boise State on a national scale, due to limited corporate sponsorship opportunities, and would likely be a middle-of-the-pack program, with a roster full of JC transfers and out-of-state players to be marginally competitive each season.

Chris Petersen was making $2.2m/year at Boise State. How in the world could UM pay that much for an elite coach? I've seen Gonzaga brought up by the always delusional EverettGriz as some sort of blueprint for Griz basketball, but Mark Few is making $1.2m in Spokane. UM's head coach makes less money per year than pretty much every assistant at a major program in both football and basketball. Are great coaches going to come to UM and stay there, or will UM become a training ground for young coaches who are always looking for the better job?

Look at CSU and Jim McElwain. CSU paid him $1.5m/year, and that was only good enough to keep him for three seasons, when he took a losing program from 4-8 to the Las Vegas Bowl, and then bolted for Florida and more money..

It would cost more money to pay coaches at UM than UM would receive in conference TV and CFB shares. I don't think most UM "move-up" fans understand the financial investment every year needed to even be competitive on a yearly basis in FBS football. Do you know how you pay the coaches competitive wages? You increase ticket prices astronomically, because there is no way in hell the Board of Regents is going to sign off on suddenly paying coaches FBS money. Hell, Wyoming is paying Bohl $750k/year, yet some think that a university with declining enrollment is suddenly going to start growing money on trees?

Be happy with where you're at in FCS, and I'm sure that in the next few years, a lower division of FBS football will be in the works. The MWC dreams are never going to happen if things stay the same as they are right now.

How in the fuck can Boise State win BCS bowls based on the size of their city/corporate sponsors? How can Nebraska be one of the most successful D-I teams in history based on that criteria? You're full of shit, you just don't know it.

Also, why specify the Missoula TV market, rather than the hundreds of thousands of Montanans that would actually watch our games (including fans of the opposing team, or just CFB fans in general)? Does Nebraska count only on the TV market in Lincoln?

 

[Tod]

so, just who is going to pay the millions of dollars needed for "moving up"?

While I cannot say for certain, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the same people that are paying for the 130 programs currently thriving at that level.

Some of the money would come from additional revenue that Men's and Women's basketball and volleyball programs would likely gain with a move. Softball will generate it's fair share of revenue as well. I really don't know if the remaining sports are even money making sports. I'd be surprised if other sports make much money.

AFAIK, no other sports currently make money. But, maybe with a move up, some of them will, or at least increase their revenue, which would certainly be helpful.

Edit: we agree. I misunderstood your post when I first posted.

 

[NavyBlue]

I believe, just my opinion, that if the Griz HAD moved to the WAC, they would have been invited to the MWC instead of San Jose State.

You still ignore the political realities of Montana State. The two are tied at the hip. MWC won't take two Montana schools. If Montana had one FBS and research institution like Wyoming, then it would be practical and politically possible, but that's not the case. As of now, NMSU is much closer to MWC membership than either Montana.

Where are you hearing that? Everything I have heard from the MWC Commisioner says they need to check into "Plan B", because they ar not getting into the MWC.

For a guy that says he does not to care Northwest, seems to have alot to say on this subject. :roll:
He still hasn't answered my points comparing to USU to UM....but how can he?

 

[Spanky]

Northwest talks a lot and says nothing :thumb:

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Serious question: What good is a large market when nobody's watching? We outdrew SJS by a significant margin last year...and every year. In fact, I think even the Cats are right about even with them in the 17k-18k range. Just because there's lots of PEOPLE doesn't mean any of them give a shit or will EVER give a shit. The BSC has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt in Sacramento (Sac & UCD), SLC (Weber), Portland (PSU), and Denver (UNC). We passed on NDSU and SDSU when we had the chance and went for the "large market" approach....a total flop by any measure.

Why would the MWC schools want to add Missoula, MT, to their TV deal? UM would never be a Boise State on a national scale, due to limited corporate sponsorship opportunities, and would likely be a middle-of-the-pack program, with a roster full of JC transfers and out-of-state players to be marginally competitive each season.

Chris Petersen was making $2.2m/year at Boise State. How in the world could UM pay that much for an elite coach? I've seen Gonzaga brought up by the always delusional EverettGriz as some sort of blueprint for Griz basketball, but Mark Few is making $1.2m in Spokane. UM's head coach makes less money per year than pretty much every assistant at a major program in both football and basketball. Are great coaches going to come to UM and stay there, or will UM become a training ground for young coaches who are always looking for the better job?

Look at CSU and Jim McElwain. CSU paid him $1.5m/year, and that was only good enough to keep him for three seasons, when he took a losing program from 4-8 to the Las Vegas Bowl, and then bolted for Florida and more money..

It would cost more money to pay coaches at UM than UM would receive in conference TV and CFB shares. I don't think most UM "move-up" fans understand the financial investment every year needed to even be competitive on a yearly basis in FBS football. Do you know how you pay the coaches competitive wages? You increase ticket prices astronomically, because there is no way in hell the Board of Regents is going to sign off on suddenly paying coaches FBS money. Hell, Wyoming is paying Bohl $750k/year, yet some think that a university with declining enrollment is suddenly going to start growing money on trees?

Be happy with where you're at in FCS, and I'm sure that in the next few years, a lower division of FBS football will be in the works. The MWC dreams are never going to happen if things stay the same as they are right now.

How in the f*** can Boise State win BCS bowls based on the size of their city/corporate sponsors? How can Nebraska be one of the most successful D-I teams in history based on that criteria? You're full of shit, you just don't know it.

Also, why specify the Missoula TV market, rather than the hundreds of thousands of Montanans that would actually watch our games (including fans of the opposing team, or just CFB fans in general)? Does Nebraska count only on the TV market in Lincoln?

Boise State can pay a decent coach enough money to first hire them, and then keep them around. Nebraska gets 90k in attendance, and has always played in a league that matters.

Are you gong to address how UM would pay even minimal salaries for a decent FBS coach? Who is going to pay for the massive increase in recruiting dollars? Driving around Montana, which has maybe 2 legitimate FBS players a year if lucky, isn't going to cut it anymore. The bulk of the team will either be second-tier players from CA, or academic risk/behavior risk first-risk guys that the big schools don't think is worth the trouble. You're then competing with Boise/Fresno/SDSU for those kids. Bigger schools, in bigger markets, with much better facilities and typically much closer to home.

 

[Spanky]

Second tier players like state college :thumb: