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QB Development

mtgrizrule said:
CDAGRIZ said:
Whatever helps to get him out of the full windup and into the stretch is what he needs, imo. I suspect he makes decent reads, but by the time the ball would leave his hand the window is gone or he’s on his back. Like Kem mentioned, pretty tough to teach I would think, but who knows?
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CDA, I'll try watching some of his games, when I get time. In the meantime, specifically what have you noticed? Is it a low long set up and wind up, slow motion, or combination of both, etc? I really haven't paid that close of attention. Either way, I know drills to easily take care of those issues. All it takes is chest high boxes and or pads, and 1000s of reps.

Sounds to me, off season work with a qb coach would do him wonders. We have that man locally, with Marty M. Is he too expensive, an issue with him, Hauck, the school, or what? Anyone that knows Marty well, please chime in. Why isn't he involved at this stage of his life and career? I love listening to him and Nuanez just bs. He seems like a pretty good dude.

Jordan Palmer is building a terrific reputation as well. I'm guessing, he's expensive though. I've heard of Jake Plummer working with qbs as well. Not sure, how true that is.

Who are some the other regional qb gurus?
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KB has every physical tool needed. In my opinion what he needs to improve on most would be

1. Leadership/dog mentality. Guy doesn’t have that swagger yet.
2. Knowing where to move his blocking scheme and recognizing presnap defenses. He currently has no clue what he’s looking at.
3. See the throw and hit it. He’s unsure.

Those last two can be taught with reps. First one you either have it or you don’t.
 
Just me, or is it the responsibility of the coaches to *develop* players? Brown's a damned RS Freshman. We recruited him for some reason. Put some effort into developing the guy!
BadlandsGrizFan said:
mtgrizrule said:
CDA, I'll try watching some of his games, when I get time. In the meantime, specifically what have you noticed? Is it a low long set up and wind up, slow motion, or combination of both, etc? I really haven't paid that close of attention. Either way, I know drills to easily take care of those issues. All it takes is chest high boxes and or pads, and 1000s of reps.

Sounds to me, off season work with a qb coach would do him wonders. We have that man locally, with Marty M. Is he too expensive, an issue with him, Hauck, the school, or what? Anyone that knows Marty well, please chime in. Why isn't he involved at this stage of his life and career? I love listening to him and Nuanez just bs. He seems like a pretty good dude.

Jordan Palmer is building a terrific reputation as well. I'm guessing, he's expensive though. I've heard of Jake Plummer working with qbs as well. Not sure, how true that is.

Who are some the other regional qb gurus?
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KB has every physical tool needed. In my opinion what he needs to improve on most would be

1. Leadership/dog mentality. Guy doesn’t have that swagger yet.
2. Knowing where to move his blocking scheme and recognizing presnap defenses. He currently has no clue what he’s looking at.
3. See the throw and hit it. He’s unsure.

Those last two can be taught with reps. First one you either have it or you don’t.
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HelenaHandBasket said:
By the way, for all you "elite QB" guys, could you provide a list of all the elite FCS QBs of this current season?
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Tommy Mellot, kid has been coached up can be added to the list. Kris Brown is no new comer to the program, he has been given no development.
 
BillingsMafia said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
By the way, for all you "elite QB" guys, could you provide a list of all the elite FCS QBs of this current season?
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Tommy Mellot, kid has been coached up can be added to the list. Kris Brown is no new comer to the program, he has been given no development.
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So Mellott is already an elite FCS QB?
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
BillingsMafia said:
Tommy Mellot, kid has been coached up can be added to the list. Kris Brown is no new comer to the program, he has been given no development.
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So Mellott is already an elite FCS QB?
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Throwing the ball up in the air on 1v1 coverage every single throw is not elite. His WRs are winning.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
mtgrizrule said:
CDA, I'll try watching some of his games, when I get time. In the meantime, specifically what have you noticed? Is it a low long set up and wind up, slow motion, or combination of both, etc? I really haven't paid that close of attention. Either way, I know drills to easily take care of those issues. All it takes is chest high boxes and or pads, and 1000s of reps.

Sounds to me, off season work with a qb coach would do him wonders. We have that man locally, with Marty M. Is he too expensive, an issue with him, Hauck, the school, or what? Anyone that knows Marty well, please chime in. Why isn't he involved at this stage of his life and career? I love listening to him and Nuanez just bs. He seems like a pretty good dude.

Jordan Palmer is building a terrific reputation as well. I'm guessing, he's expensive though. I've heard of Jake Plummer working with qbs as well. Not sure, how true that is.

Who are some the other regional qb gurus?
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KB has every physical tool needed. In my opinion what he needs to improve on most would be

1. Leadership/dog mentality. Guy doesn’t have that swagger yet.
2. Knowing where to move his blocking scheme and recognizing presnap defenses. He currently has no clue what he’s looking at.
3. See the throw and hit it. He’s unsure.

Those last two can be taught with reps. First one you either have it or you don’t.
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Just curious: how many reps do you think think he needs? He had 153 pass attempts this season.
 
goatcreekgriz said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
KB has every physical tool needed. In my opinion what he needs to improve on most would be

1. Leadership/dog mentality. Guy doesn’t have that swagger yet.
2. Knowing where to move his blocking scheme and recognizing presnap defenses. He currently has no clue what he’s looking at.
3. See the throw and hit it. He’s unsure.

Those last two can be taught with reps. First one you either have it or you don’t.
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Just curious: how many reps do you think think he needs? He had 153 pass attempts this season.
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Physically, not many. He throws a nice ball. Just needs to quicken his mechanics.

Mentally, he needs 1000s in the off-season. He reads and reacts too slow. Champions are made in the off season. If he applies that, I like his chances. If not, he'll have the job stolen by Patterson, Britt, or a transfer. I know, someone will step up. Both Patterson and Britt have grit and toughness. It's going to be interesting.
 
goatcreekgriz said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
KB has every physical tool needed. In my opinion what he needs to improve on most would be

1. Leadership/dog mentality. Guy doesn’t have that swagger yet.
2. Knowing where to move his blocking scheme and recognizing presnap defenses. He currently has no clue what he’s looking at.
3. See the throw and hit it. He’s unsure.

Those last two can be taught with reps. First one you either have it or you don’t.
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Just curious: how many reps do you think think he needs? He had 153 pass attempts this season.
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I think he’s damn near had enough.
 
nzone said:
Vigen develops qb’s. Rosenbach doesn’t.
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I would say that MSU did a good job tailoring the offense to an athletic kid that can run. We will see how he develops with the rest of his game going forward.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Griz Addict said:
He was decent. He averaged over 300 yards a game . I wasn't a fan of him and even said I was critical of him. Just saying I'd take him over Cam and the rest we have right now. Look at Gustafson stats compared to Humphrey and then talk to me.
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The only stat that matters is W’s and L’s.

I’ll take Humphrey all day.
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Humphrey always stared down his receiver from the snap of the ball. Never threw a ball coming out of the break. Never looked for a second receiver until he was flushed out of the pocket. He could not process the game…it was too fast for him. He was too easy to defend. He had a great heart and came back to play after foot surgery. He showed incredible toughness. But he didn’t have the skill set to take the team to the promised land.
 
justanotherfan said:
AZGrizFan said:
The only stat that matters is W’s and L’s.

I’ll take Humphrey all day.
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Humphrey always stared down his receiver from the snap of the ball. Never threw a ball coming out of the break. Never looked for a second receiver until he was flushed out of the pocket. He could not process the game…it was too fast for him. He was too easy to defend. He had a great heart and came back to play after foot surgery. He showed incredible toughness. But he didn’t have the skill set to take the team to the promised land.
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Yeah, he was mediocre at best. All he ever did was win! :roll:
 
MikeyGriz said:
justanotherfan said:
Humphrey always stared down his receiver from the snap of the ball. Never threw a ball coming out of the break. Never looked for a second receiver until he was flushed out of the pocket. He could not process the game…it was too fast for him. He was too easy to defend. He had a great heart and came back to play after foot surgery. He showed incredible toughness. But he didn’t have the skill set to take the team to the promised land.
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Yeah, he was mediocre at best. All he ever did was win! :roll:
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Because of defense and special teams, not his performance.
 
Early this year, many on the board were raving about how good Brown is and that he should be our starting quarterback. Now, that we have seen him play some of the board experts comment that he needs additional training. My view is we have excellent coaches and he has had the necessary training. Now that the season has concluded, I’m sure Bobby and staff will plan on the individual who will start next year. Possibly a drop down along with the young man from Helena. The other qb’s currently in the program should and will be given every opportunity to become the starter, including Brown. The program was devastated by injuries this year at many positions, including quarterback. I understand the challenges involved in recruiting, grooming a starting quarterback, but this year I am hopeful there is additional focus on the backup.
 
justanotherfan said:
AZGrizFan said:
The only stat that matters is W’s and L’s.

I’ll take Humphrey all day.
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Humphrey always stared down his receiver from the snap of the ball. Never threw a ball coming out of the break. Never looked for a second receiver until he was flushed out of the pocket. He could not process the game…it was too fast for him. He was too easy to defend. He had a great heart and came back to play after foot surgery. He showed incredible toughness. But he didn’t have the skill set to take the team to the promised land.
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Even if I stipulate that all that is true, you’re making an argument no one is discussing. In the battle of Gustafson vs Humphrey, I’ll take Humphrey all day. Yes, he may be been in a system more designed for his skill set, yes he may have had some advantages of having better ST’s and a better D surrounding him, but that changes nothing. He’s still a better QB (based off results) than Gustafson.
 
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