QB Development

[AZGrizFan]

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Humphrey's passes look like shit 80% of the time. He's just a good manager, that's all. His passes are ugly and scare me every time. Gustafson had a hell of an arm. He just was 1 dimensional, did read defenses as good as Humphrey. But, passing wise, if you think Humphrey is better, you are fucking high and have dementia.

Gustafson had literally ONE quality win. One. And believe me, if you’d seen his performance (and DGAF body language) after the debacle in Greeley in 2016 you wouldn’t be a fan either, unless you’re family.

Before yesterday, Humphrey was 12-1 as a starter. And yeah, that 35 yard dime to Akem looked like shit, for sure.

The ONLY thing Gustafson had going for him was height…and the fact he looked like Icabod Crane when he tried to run.

 

[uofmman1122]

Boy, "elite QB" Cole Kelley sure looked a lot worse than Patterson or Humphrey against JMU.

QB is probably the weakest it's been in a long time, but it's not just a matter of how good the QB is in a vacuum. It also comes down to scheme and personnel, and I dunno about you, but our personnel wasn't exactly stellar this season.

Cam playing with Toure, Akem, Sulser, Roberts, and Knight is a hell of a lot easier than playing with only two of those guys.

Kris Brown looks like he has a lot of work to do, and I don't know if Patterson is the answer either, but to go back to Mr. Kelley from SELA, when he played here in 2019, he was the running QB that wasn't trusted to throw it, and he seemed to make a pretty nice turnaround since then. QB development isn't always linear, and we have a lot of examples of QBs who weren't great, and then turned it on. Bergquist in 2005, 2007 vs. 2008, Selle in 2008 vs. 2009, JJ in 2010 vs. 2011, and Sneed in 2018 vs. 2019 (before he got hurt).

I don't think you can condemn the coaching staff entirely right now, especially since they just had a Big Sky MVP candidate in Sneed who happened to get hurt.

I agree that it has to get better if we're wanting to compete with the JMUs, SHSUs, and NDSUs of FCS, but I don't think there's any evidence that it won't get better. We also need to get better at other places, too.

Kelley passed for 397 yards 2 tds 3 ints against them. Their team, was basically just Kelley. How many passing yards did we have? Do you think we would have lost with his stats?

Once JMU figured him out, he had 3 bad picks and a fumble that basically turned the game into a blowout, but my comment was tongue in cheek. I would have loved to have Kelley as our QB, but even he looked awful against them for most of the game. Their skill players were a lot better than what we had, especially down Akem for most of the game.

And yes, I think if our QB had 2 INTs, a pick-six and a bad fumble, we likely lose even worse than we did last night.

 

[BillingsMafia]

My only major concern with Hauck coached teams, we don't develop qbs as well as we could and should. Yet, the last few years we've had NFL experienced qbs on the coaching staff, with Pease and Rosenbach. What are the issues.

I'd like to see us reach out to Marty Morninweg (sp?). Thoughts or suggestions?

You are correct, add to that the short passing game is not where it should be. A guy named Don Read wrote a book "Complete Quarterbacking" Its simple, hire a smart offensive coach, let him read the book and three to four years we win the title.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Addict is missing the point. Having an elite QB helps, but they don't grow on trees, and you don't need one to win. As much as you don't want to admit it, the Griz were very capable of winning it with Cam, but were not with anyone behind Cam.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

My only major concern with Hauck coached teams, we don't develop qbs as well as we could and should. Yet, the last few years we've had NFL experienced qbs on the coaching staff, with Pease and Rosenbach. What are the issues.

I'd like to see us reach out to Marty Morninweg (sp?). Thoughts or suggestions?

You are correct, add to that the short passing game is not where it should be. A guy named Don Read wrote a book "Complete Quarterbacking" Its simple, hire a smart offensive coach, let him read the book and three to four years we win the title.

This is sure an over simplification of the process. There are a majority of college programs that prove this mind numbingly ignorance is false.

 

[BillingsMafia]

You are correct, add to that the short passing game is not where it should be. A guy named Don Read wrote a book "Complete Quarterbacking" Its simple, hire a smart offensive coach, let him read the book and three to four years we win the title.

This is sure an over simplification of the process. There are a majority of college programs that prove this mind numbingly ignorance is false.

Oh its not simple process, read the book.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

This is sure an over simplification of the process. There are a majority of college programs that prove this mind numbingly ignorance is false.

Oh its not simple process, read the book.

So it is as simple as reading the book.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Physically, love KB. Starting now, he needs many recognition reps. Virtual reality training, anyone?

 

[BillingsMafia]

Look at what Zac Hill did at Eastern, developing quarterbacks is very important and I have never seen much of it under Bobby. Its not easy and it needs to be moved up on the priority list. Year after year of EWU having great QB's didn't just happen by accident. Hill has been gone for a while and I bet we don't see another great qb there next year. I would like to know it he worked with Barriere.

 

[uofmman1122]

Look at what Zac Hill did at Eastern, developing quarterbacks is very important and I have never seen much of it under Bobby. Its not easy and it needs to be moved up on the priority list. Year after year of EWU having great QB's didn't just happen by accident. Hill has been gone for a while and I bet we don't see another great qb there next year. I would like to know it he worked with Barriere.

Maybe Hill should write a book.

 

[Griz Addict]

Humphrey's passes look like shit 80% of the time. He's just a good manager, that's all. His passes are ugly and scare me every time. Gustafson had a hell of an arm. He just was 1 dimensional, did read defenses as good as Humphrey. But, passing wise, if you think Humphrey is better, you are f###[#] high and have dementia.

Gustafson had literally ONE quality win. One. And believe me, if you’d seen his performance (and DGAF body language) after the debacle in Greeley in 2016 you wouldn’t be a fan either, unless you’re family.

Before yesterday, Humphrey was 12-1 as a starter. And yeah, that 35 yard dime to Akem looked like shit, for sure.

The ONLY thing Gustafson had going for him was height…and the fact he looked like Icabod Crane when he tried to run.

Yeah I said 80% of his passes. That one to Akem, was in the 20%. Humphrey also had a 100x better defense to carry his offense and ST to set him up with short yardage. Our run game did more for us this year than his passing. Gustafson was also in a system that didn't benefit him. He was a pocket qb in a spread offense. Humphrey is in the system that fits him the best and couldn't take full advantage of it. I don't take into consideration people's body language when talking about passing skill. I also meant that Gustafson DIDN'T read offenses as good as Humphrey. My phone has a mind of it's own.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Gustafson had literally ONE quality win. One. And believe me, if you’d seen his performance (and DGAF body language) after the debacle in Greeley in 2016 you wouldn’t be a fan either, unless you’re family.

Before yesterday, Humphrey was 12-1 as a starter. And yeah, that 35 yard dime to Akem looked like shit, for sure.

The ONLY thing Gustafson had going for him was height…and the fact he looked like Icabod Crane when he tried to run.

Yeah I said 80% of his passes. That one to Akem, was in the 10%. Humphrey also had a 100x better defense to carry his offense and ST to set him up with short yardage. Our run game did more for us this year than his passing. Gustafson was also in a system that didn't benefit him. He was a pocket qb in a spread offense. Humphrey is in the system that fits him the best and couldn't take full advantage of it. I don't take into consideration people's body language when talking about passing skill. I also meant that Gustafson DIDN'T read offenses as good as Humphrey. My phone has a mind of it's own.

Gustafson was not a good QB.

 

[Griz Addict]

Addict is missing the point. Having an elite QB helps, but they don't grow on trees, and you don't need one to win. As much as you don't want to admit it, the Griz were very capable of winning it with Cam, but were not with anyone behind Cam.

If they don't grow on trees, how tf does EWU get them so easily??

 

[Griz Addict]

Yeah I said 80% of his passes. That one to Akem, was in the 10%. Humphrey also had a 100x better defense to carry his offense and ST to set him up with short yardage. Our run game did more for us this year than his passing. Gustafson was also in a system that didn't benefit him. He was a pocket qb in a spread offense. Humphrey is in the system that fits him the best and couldn't take full advantage of it. I don't take into consideration people's body language when talking about passing skill. I also meant that Gustafson DIDN'T read offenses as good as Humphrey. My phone has a mind of it's own.

Gustafson was not a good QB.

He was decent. He averaged over 300 yards a game . I wasn't a fan of him and even said I was critical of him. Just saying I'd take him over Cam and the rest we have right now. Look at Gustafson stats compared to Humphrey and then talk to me.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Addict is missing the point. Having an elite QB helps, but they don't grow on trees, and you don't need one to win. As much as you don't want to admit it, the Griz were very capable of winning it with Cam, but were not with anyone behind Cam.

If they don't grow on trees, how tf does EWU get them so easily??

They either are better at identifying or developing. EWU's success doesn't prove they are numerous.

 

[Griz Addict]

If they don't grow on trees, how tf does EWU get them so easily??

They either are better at identifying or developing. EWU's success doesn't prove they are numerous.

Good teams attract good qbs. Even UIW and SELA scored a couple badass QBs.

 

[Griz Addict]

I think we need to start scouting some different states for qbs. Especially the south.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Gustafson was not a good QB.

He was decent. He averaged over 300 yards a game . I wasn't a fan of him and even said I was critical of him. Just saying I'd take him over Cam and the rest we have right now. Look at Gustafson stats compared to Humphrey and then talk to me.

So you want to compare stats from an mediocre QB in Stitt's offense to the stats of a average QB in Hauck's offense to say he would be a better option? Talk about comparing apples to oranges. Gus was the worst starting QB that the Griz have had since Jason Washington.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Physically, love KB. Starting now, he needs many recognition reps. Virtual reality training, anyone?

Whatever helps to get him out of the full windup and into the stretch is what he needs, imo. I suspect he makes decent reads, but by the time the ball would leave his hand the window is gone or he’s on his back. Like Kem mentioned, pretty tough to teach I would think, but who knows?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

They either are better at identifying or developing. EWU's success doesn't prove they are numerous.

Good teams attract good qbs. Even UIW and SELA scored a couple badass QBs.

Curious, what exactly were each of these schools records and track of success when each of these badass QB's were recruited?