Pre-fall camp discussion 1 - The offense

[grizfan07]

I think Vidlak is the guy as QB1, he looked good in spring and I can tell he wants to be a leader. This would be the BEST thing to happen at QB for MT since he is a R-SO and has 3 total years of playing time. Perfect for developing. I’m not as concerned about the receiving core and RBs as we have amazing talent at these positions. And I’m excited for Pease’s brand of offense.

I think Brown could be good, and here’s why. Who was his handler the last 4 years since 19? Rosy. Who called the plays? Rosy. I think the over arching issue is that Kris was used wrongly and put in positions that set him up for failure. He’s not a scrambler, he’s a passer. But he still needs to read the whole field. With Pease at the helm, Kris might be put in better positions to be successful.

Now here’s a theory about why Britt really left, and take this for however you want. Britt was clearly better than I think all of our QBs last year. I think he went against some (not all) plays called in by Rosy because he thought his plays would be better and maybe they worked out better (or not in some cases). When Britt was proved right, Rosy wasn’t happy and he got benched the next game or something, or brown was started over him. This I’m guessing built up and pissed Britt off enough to re-evaluate his options and he decided to leave the program. The offensive fish stinks from the head down and the head was Rosy. I’m not saying Bobby didn’t have a say in it, but now that Rosy has been moved to a different position, Bobby was clearly trying to give Rosy a chance at offense.
For the record, I do agree that playing Brown over McDowell or Vidlak, and similarly last year over Britt is just ridiculous.

 

[PhxGriz]

I'm going to go with the new position coach is helping Brown. Brint mentioned it in his post and that's why I think KB could be #2.

Have to laugh at the new support and hope for Brown. This is a kid who has been slammed incessantly by many on this site, with comments like "wasted scholarship", "couldn't start in the Frontier conference", etc. And now, he is our hope for being a solid QB? You dudes are hilarious!

I think you can go back to ALL of my posts and see that I always take the side of the players. It's a respect thing. I, who has little knowledge or skills compared to them, is very appreciative of the effort and brand of football they provide. Essentially I realize these are all college kids who bust their asses so I can sit on mine and enjoy the product.

Also, I looked at how Brady Gustafson was considered Frontier level until he got a new coach. There is always hope.

 

[bgbigdog]

I have zero faith in KB. Hope I am wrong.

It's logical at this point, no questions about it.

Time for Huot to step up. He’s risking never getting his shot if not. Spuds McCoy was a redshirt freshman.

 

[SaskGriz]

So pre-camp discussion of the offence is only "who likes Kris Brown vs who doesn't"? That's some in-depth stuff right there.

I'll go a step further; I don't think the Gillman kid gets anywhere near the carries that many posters think. Coach Hauck is a "proven commodity" kind of guy, and he'll like Ostmo, X, and Childs, unless this kid is the Tyler Rose, Barry, and Reggie Bush in one package.

I think the O-line are veteran RPO massives and they won't suddenly become the '84 Redskins and start running pulling/traps. They will be good but if you think they'll become the Bobcats line you need to man up and buy a cable tv subscription. Will that mean less money for AR-15 ammo and dog-shit Keystone Lite? Probably, but it's worth it. I don't mean they won't be as good as the Cat's line, just a different animal.

I think White will be the best receiver we've had since Toure. Partly because he's Canadian and therefore simply better but also because he's learned the patterns in metres instead of yards so each time he will further downfield, which equals longer receptions, which equals FIRST DOWN.......MONTANA!!!!

 

[SoldierGriz]

It's logical at this point, no questions about it.

Time for Huot to step up. He’s risking never getting his shot if not. Spuds McCoy was a redshirt freshman.

Step up...or become a safety. He better hurry.

 

[thirdandlong]

So pre-camp discussion of the offence is only "who likes Kris Brown vs who doesn't"? That's some in-depth stuff right there.

I'll go a step further; I don't think the Gillman kid gets anywhere near the carries that many posters think. Coach Hauck is a "proven commodity" kind of guy, and he'll like Ostmo, X, and Childs, unless this kid is the Tyler Rose, Barry, and Reggie Bush in one package.

I think the O-line are veteran RPO massives and they won't suddenly become the '84 Redskins and start running pulling/traps. They will be good but if you think they'll become the Bobcats line you need to man up and buy a cable tv subscription. Will that mean less money for AR-15 ammo and poop Keystone Lite? Probably, but it's worth it. I don't mean they won't be as good as the Cat's line, just a different animal.

I think White will be the best receiver we've had since Toure. Partly because he's Canadian and therefore simply better but also because he's learned the patterns in metres instead of yards so each time he will further downfield, which equals longer receptions, which equals FIRST DOWN.......MONTANA!!!!

I rarely agree with any of your posts, but You make some great points here. The O-line may be better than the past few years, but just because the starters all return, it doesn't suddenly make them all-conference performers. Talent is ultimately talent.

I also agree that White will be our best WR

 

[thirdandlong]

Have to laugh at the new support and hope for Brown. This is a kid who has been slammed incessantly by many on this site, with comments like "wasted scholarship", "couldn't start in the Frontier conference", etc. And now, he is our hope for being a solid QB? You dudes are hilarious!

I think you can go back to ALL of my posts and see that I always take the side of the players. It's a respect thing. I, who has little knowledge or skills compared to them, is very appreciative of the effort and brand of football they provide. Essentially I realize these are all college kids who bust their asses so I can sit on mine and enjoy the product.

Also, I looked at how Brady Gustafson was considered Frontier level until he got a new coach. There is always hope.

My post wasn't directed at you. I was very high on Brown when he was a sophomore, and I took a crap-load of heat when he struggled for two seasons. The kid has got all of the physical tools necessary to be a good, if not great FCS quarterback. His problems appear to be between-the-ears.
I just find it humorous that some of the same posters who slammed Brown the past two years are now lauding him as the valuable #2 QB.

 

[AZGrizFan]

So pre-camp discussion of the offence is only "who likes Kris Brown vs who doesn't"? That's some in-depth stuff right there.

I'll go a step further; I don't think the Gillman kid gets anywhere near the carries that many posters think. Coach Hauck is a "proven commodity" kind of guy, and he'll like Ostmo, X, and Childs, unless this kid is the Tyler Rose, Barry, and Reggie Bush in one package.

I think the O-line are veteran RPO massives and they won't suddenly become the '84 Redskins and start running pulling/traps. They will be good but if you think they'll become the Bobcats line you need to man up and buy a cable tv subscription. Will that mean less money for AR-15 ammo and dog-shit Keystone Lite? Probably, but it's worth it. I don't mean they won't be as good as the Cat's line, just a different animal.

I think White will be the best receiver we've had since Toure. Partly because he's Canadian and therefore simply better but also because he's learned the patterns in metres instead of yards so each time he will further downfield, which equals longer receptions, which equals FIRST DOWN.......MONTANA!!!!

Nobody is saying they’ll be pulling and trapping like MSU, but Mayginnes, Walker and the LG have proven the have the ability, and I’ve witnessed some goal line pulls by Mayginnes that would make an Option coach smile…and it’s gonna be tough to keep Gillman off the field, IMHO.

And regarding KB, we can go with the philosophy posted by a poster above that a new position coach may be just what the doctor ordered…not sure how that can translate to the field, but time will tell, eh?

 

[mthoopsfan]

So pre-camp discussion of the offence is only "who likes Kris Brown vs who doesn't"? That's some in-depth stuff right there.

I'll go a step further; I don't think the Gillman kid gets anywhere near the carries that many posters think. Coach Hauck is a "proven commodity" kind of guy, and he'll like Ostmo, X, and Childs, unless this kid is the Tyler Rose, Barry, and Reggie Bush in one package.

I think the O-line are veteran RPO massives and they won't suddenly become the '84 Redskins and start running pulling/traps. They will be good but if you think they'll become the Bobcats line you need to man up and buy a cable tv subscription. Will that mean less money for AR-15 ammo and poop Keystone Lite? Probably, but it's worth it. I don't mean they won't be as good as the Cat's line, just a different animal.

I think White will be the best receiver we've had since Toure. Partly because he's Canadian and therefore simply better but also because he's learned the patterns in metres instead of yards so each time he will further downfield, which equals longer receptions, which equals FIRST DOWN.......MONTANA!!!!

I rarely agree with any of your posts, but You make some great points here. The O-line may be better than the past few years, but just because the starters all return, it doesn't suddenly make them all-conference performers. Talent is ultimately talent.

I also agree that White will be our best WR

Two were all-conference last year. One, Walker who wasn't, was picked as:

"TOP NFL PROSPECT: Chris Walker, Montana OT — Josh Buchanan ranks Walker the No. 29 small-school prospect for the 2024 NFL Draft. He has the build at 6-foot-6 and 300 pounds. Walker has high expectations this season after transferring to Montana from Nebraska last year. He started all 13 games at left tackle and continued to grow more comfortable there. Thanks to an NCAA waiver, this is Walker’s seventh year of college football."

UM brought in more D-1 transfers than any team in the conference, except NAU (35).

 

[AZGrizFan]

I rarely agree with any of your posts, but You make some great points here. The O-line may be better than the past few years, but just because the starters all return, it doesn't suddenly make them all-conference performers. Talent is ultimately talent.

I also agree that White will be our best WR

Two were all-conference last year. One, Walker who wasn't, was picked as:

"TOP NFL PROSPECT: Chris Walker, Montana OT — Josh Buchanan ranks Walker the No. 29 small-school prospect for the 2024 NFL Draft. He has the build at 6-foot-6 and 300 pounds. Walker has high expectations this season after transferring to Montana from Nebraska last year. He started all 13 games at left tackle and continued to grow more comfortable there. Thanks to an NCAA waiver, this is Walker’s seventh year of college football."

UM brought in more D-1 transfers than any team in the conference, except NAU (35).

Agreed. i expect him to pick up right where he left off last year…definitely got more and more comfortable as the year progressed…and being beside Mayginnes, that left side with Forbes at center is formidable.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I've been saying it since I finally made an account. The line this year will be the best we have had during Hauck's second stint, and Chris Walker had been the most underrated part of it. So glad to see him getting the recognition he deserves. Not everyone realizes that he was getting NFL looks BEFORE he came back for this year. FCS All-American voters were just behind the curve on him last year because he did so much developing during the year.

Absolutely cannot wait to see this line go to work this year.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Anytime Hauck has a deep and experienced OL group, the team does well.

As for the offensive scheme, style, etc, I won't be surprised if the GRIZ run duel offensive schemes as the season progresses. I'm fully expecting McDowell to have his own personnel scheme. With his athleticism, can we get him on the field with Vidlak?

Can we use Bergen and Harris at multiple positions as well?

No doubt, this offense has a lot of versatile players and likely versatile sets and schemes. I'd be a mad scientist with this personnel.

 

[garizzalies]

I just find it humorous that some of the same posters who slammed Brown the past two years are now lauding him as the valuable #2 QB.

Wat? Are you making things up again, as usual?

Can you name any of the straw-men posters you so savagely ripped to pieces?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Anytime Hauck has a deep and experienced OL group, the team does well.

As for the offensive scheme, style, etc, I won't be surprised if the GRIZ run duel offensive schemes as the season progresses. I'm fully expecting McDowell to have his own personnel scheme. With his athleticism, can we get him on the field with Vidlak?

Can we use Bergen and Harris at multiple positions as well?

No doubt, this offense has a lot of versatile players and likely versatile sets and schemes. I'd be a mad scientist with this personnel.

If true - who enters the game if V gets hurt when:

Griz down by 2 scores late in a game?

 

[Copper Griz]

Anytime Hauck has a deep and experienced OL group, the team does well.

As for the offensive scheme, style, etc, I won't be surprised if the GRIZ run duel offensive schemes as the season progresses. I'm fully expecting McDowell to have his own personnel scheme. With his athleticism, can we get him on the field with Vidlak?

Can we use Bergen and Harris at multiple positions as well?

No doubt, this offense has a lot of versatile players and likely versatile sets and schemes. I'd be a mad scientist with this personnel.

If true - who enters the game if V gets hurt when:

Griz down by 2 scores late in a game?

I simply cannot understand why Vidlak has miraculously been elevated to the #1 guy based on a spring game. McDowell didn’t come to Montana to be #2. For that matter, neither did Brown. Fall camp will determine a lot. Yes, learning the playbook and getting comfortable with the system. Blah, blah, blah. Vidlak has the advantage because he has been watching film and studying. He may be the guy, but let’s see how this plays out people. Brown might pull a rabbit out of the hat as well.

 

[rocklobster]

I know they love this kid but this staff has a long held tendency to reward time in the program too. I'd be pretty shocked if it wasn't Ostmo or Harris as the "starter". Additionally I wouldn't be totally shocked if Gillman is the yardage leader by the season's end as he seems to have the highest ceiling in the group.

That said, I think if he stays healthy the whole season, X is going to be our main dude. He just looked the part this spring and I think he's physically at the point now where he can be a stud in this offense.

I am not a Harris fan. He dances are around at the line of scrimmage too much. I heard he looked good at the spring game so maybe he has improved. My guess is Ostmo, Gillman, and Childs with Harris a distant 4th. I have been wrong before but I think Gillman will lead the pack.

I heard Harris put on some weight-maybe 10-15 lbs. and is a beast. I disagree with your dancing around comment. He's number two behind Ostmo, but Bobby's gonna give Ostmo, Harris, Gilman, and Childs all plenty of time on the field. Who's number one, two or three won't matter. It's going to be who's the hot hand.

 

[mthoopsfan]

If true - who enters the game if V gets hurt when:

Griz down by 2 scores late in a game?

I simply cannot understand why Vidlak has miraculously been elevated to the #1 guy based on a spring game. McDowell didn’t come to Montana to be #2. For that matter, neither did Brown. Fall camp will determine a lot. Yes, learning the playbook and getting comfortable with the system. Blah, blah, blah. Vidlak has the advantage because he has been watching film and studying. He may be the guy, but let’s see how this plays out people. Brown might pull a rabbit out of the hat as well.

Didn’t Bobby say it would be 3-way competition? Or are you talking about fans’ choice?

 

[kemajic]

I simply cannot understand why Vidlak has miraculously been elevated to the #1 guy based on a spring game.

It's easy to understand if you actually watched Vidlak in action and you understand anything football. Vidlak consistently showed passing skills that none of the others have. It was also consistent with his reputation back to HS as a uniquely talent passer with accuracy approaching Drew Miller. And confirmed by the UM receivers.

What is harder to understand is your problem with Vidlak.

 

[fanofzoo]

Anytime Hauck has a deep and experienced OL group, the team does well.

As for the offensive scheme, style, etc, I won't be surprised if the GRIZ run duel offensive schemes as the season progresses. I'm fully expecting McDowell to have his own personnel scheme. With his athleticism, can we get him on the field with Vidlak?

Can we use Bergen and Harris at multiple positions as well?

No doubt, this offense has a lot of versatile players and likely versatile sets and schemes. I'd be a mad scientist with this personnel.

Careful you sound a bit progressive talking like that.

 

[3-7-77]

A couple corrections, Snowball Boy. AR-15 Ammo always comes first. Canadian making fun of us Second Amendment purists. :roll:
Secondly, no pun intended, it's meters. Gawd! Gotta take my red pen to correct your writing. And you being a teacher! :roll: :roll:
I like your reasoning about getting more yardage
out of a Canadian kid who thinks in METERS. He'll get 3.37 more inches per carry. By the end of the season, that really adds up! A thousand yard season means an eye extra 83.33 yards. That's worth the conference title right there, and a better seed in the playoffs. Home field advantage throughout, and all due to a Cannuck education. Whoda thunk it?