Pre-fall camp discussion 1 - The offense

[graygriz]

Why don’t you just bail now? Save us all from your belly aching.

KB could be QB1 and you should start coming to terms with it rn. He knows the offense the best and so far is the only one of the three who can look off defenders and push the ball down the field.

I have gone out of my way to never say one bad word about KB. By all accounts, a fantastic kid and he is a serviceable backup. But his BIGGEST flaw is that he absolutely does not look off defenders. He locks on to one guy pre-snap, and does not leave them. If you are saying that he has added that to his game recently, then that is one thing. But to say that he has proven it seems difficult to believe.

I'll make sure to watch for that when practices start up, but I have never seen him look someone off in a game. If he has made that change and is keeping his head on a swivel, and intentionally looking off DB's, then that would be a BIG step forward for him.

Johnson had the same weakness. Everybody knew who he was throwing to and to boot he wasn't the greatest passer.

 

[garizzalies]

Yea that’s what I thought too following that particular snapshot.

Oh, in between your post to me and this post you’ve changed your mind? Maybe YOU should be the one who bails?

Huh? You said you were done with BH if he trots out KB as QB2. I think that’s a bit extreme because at some point KB could be QB2 this season, and hell, probably is rn.
He’s the vet and when has BH ever let younger newcomers take over so easily before fall ball even starts?
Give him a chance. Who knows, KB might fit well in the ole Bobby ball Offense. Maybe not as tough as Bergquist or throw darts like Selle, but BH seems to like him, and that’s the only opinion that matters

 

[oldrunner]

Griz til I Die put it best:

"Everyone's replaceable :lol:"

That stands true for all of us in all situations, and even includes good coaches. :clap:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Oh, in between your post to me and this post you’ve changed your mind? Maybe YOU should be the one who bails?

Huh? You said you were done with BH if he trots out KB as QB2. I think that’s a bit extreme because at some point KB could be QB2 this season, and hell, probably is rn.
He’s the vet and when has BH ever let younger newcomers take over so easily before fall ball even starts?
Give him a chance. Who knows, KB might fit well in the ole Bobby ball Offense. Maybe not as tough as Bergquist or throw darts like Selle, but BH seems to like him, and that’s the only opinion that matters

It is the only opinion that matters. And MY opinion is that if we are stuck with Brown as QB2 then I’m done with Hauck. Because his “opinion” immediately becomes questionable. I am, however, hopeful that we have a very serviceable QB2 in McDowell and that the issue is moot. either way I’m not “bailing”. You’re stuck with me.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Huh? You said you were done with BH if he trots out KB as QB2. I think that’s a bit extreme because at some point KB could be QB2 this season, and hell, probably is rn.
He’s the vet and when has BH ever let younger newcomers take over so easily before fall ball even starts?
Give him a chance. Who knows, KB might fit well in the ole Bobby ball Offense. Maybe not as tough as Bergquist or throw darts like Selle, but BH seems to like him, and that’s the only opinion that matters

It is the only opinion that matters. And MY opinion is that if we are stuck with Brown as QB2 then I’m done with Hauck. Because his “opinion” immediately becomes questionable. I am, however, hopeful that we have a very serviceable QB2 in McDowell and that the issue is moot. either way I’m not “bailing”. You’re stuck with me.

I’m over here hoping that if KB has to play, he takes the reins, leads us to a NC, and does a Kenny Powers finger sniff to all of us who’ve questioned him.

 

[Copper Griz]

Huh? You said you were done with BH if he trots out KB as QB2. I think that’s a bit extreme because at some point KB could be QB2 this season, and hell, probably is rn.
He’s the vet and when has BH ever let younger newcomers take over so easily before fall ball even starts?
Give him a chance. Who knows, KB might fit well in the ole Bobby ball Offense. Maybe not as tough as Bergquist or throw darts like Selle, but BH seems to like him, and that’s the only opinion that matters

It is the only opinion that matters. And MY opinion is that if we are stuck with Brown as QB2 then I’m done with Hauck. Because his “opinion” immediately becomes questionable. I am, however, hopeful that we have a very serviceable QB2 in McDowell and that the issue is moot. either way I’m not “bailing”. You’re stuck with me.

McDowell could very well be the #1 QB on the roster. I don’t understand why everyone is anointing Vidlak the starter. Way too early for that.

 

[uofmman1122]

It is the only opinion that matters. And MY opinion is that if we are stuck with Brown as QB2 then I’m done with Hauck. Because his “opinion” immediately becomes questionable. I am, however, hopeful that we have a very serviceable QB2 in McDowell and that the issue is moot. either way I’m not “bailing”. You’re stuck with me.

McDowell could very well be the #1 QB on the roster. I don’t understand why everyone is anointing Vidlak the starter. Way too early for that.

I haven't seen McDowell make a pass yet, but I have seen Vidlak, and if McDowell beats him out, I am confident that he'll be one of the better QBs we've seen in a while, because that's what Vidlak looked like, to me.

So yeah, totally possible, but Sam (at least preliminarily) looks to be one of the best pure passers I've seen in a Griz uniform in a long, long time. I'm super excited to see both of these guys play.

 

[garizzalies]

if we are stuck with Brown as QB2 then I’m done with Hauck.

When?
Will you be done with BH if….
KB cracks the 2deep?
Takes meaningful snaps?
What if he’s the day1 starter?
What if he’s considered QB2 now?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

If Hauck does one more thing that I don’t like, I will be forced to withdraw all of my support for sports in general. My balls are in your court, Mr. Hauck.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Since this thread is about “the offense,” I’m surprised there hasn’t been more discussion about the fact that we have a new offensive coordinator, and supposedly, a new offense!

It’s what gives me hope. I was never sold on “Rosey.” Especially his play-calling. And that the quarterback always seemed to be in the shotgun, even in critical short-yardage situations where it seemed like a quick snap count would have been advantageous.

What do you experts think?

 

[AZDoc]

I would suggest people take a look at the 2011 Boise St offensive stats.

Why? Are Kellen Moore, Doug Martin, and Matt Miller on the team this year?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I would suggest people take a look at the 2011 Boise St offensive stats.

Why? Are Kellen Moore, Doug Martin, and Matt Miller on the team this year?

No, but it does give a reflection how Pease operated as an OC. 50/50 run/pass, high usage of his backs in the passing game, etc, etc, etc. Guess for some, it is easier to piss and moan than do a little research.

 

[CatsRback]

I’ll admit, Wahlberg, I like your write-ups and miss your pre-game synopsis.

Season can’t come soon enough.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Since this thread is about “the offense,” I’m surprised there hasn’t been more discussion about the fact that we have a new offensive coordinator, and supposedly, a new offense!

It’s what gives me hope. I was never sold on “Rosey.” Especially his play-calling. And that the quarterback always seemed to be in the shotgun, even in critical short-yardage situations where it seemed like a quick snap count would have been advantageous.

What do you experts think?

The players seem excited about it. I felt like Rosey doesn't get enough credit for how wide open he had been previously. Toure broke Moss' record. Sneed was flinging it all over the field. I know that the offense felt stale in 2022, but that may have had more to do with personnel and injuries. It seems hard to blame Rosey entirely for the 6 yard outs and runs straight up the gut, because that had not previously been his playcalling.

I'm really not close to the program like some are, and I have no good insights. Just seems as though he gets a lot of flak for having a particular play calling failure, but that really wasn't historically true for him. I don't think any of us can know everything that went into how the offense performed last year.

That being said, the players all seem excited for the offense this year, and that makes me excited too.

 

[3-7-77]

I'm glad 'Cracklin' Rosie' is gone. He seemed unable/unwilling to adjust. Keep the same plays for different players/players abilities.
New OC, better results. I hope. If not, then I was wrong. Now, THAT's something you don"t see here on eGriz very often! 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGemtjVtfZM

 

[WaGriz4life]

Since this thread is about “the offense,” I’m surprised there hasn’t been more discussion about the fact that we have a new offensive coordinator, and supposedly, a new offense!

It’s what gives me hope. I was never sold on “Rosey.” Especially his play-calling. And that the quarterback always seemed to be in the shotgun, even in critical short-yardage situations where it seemed like a quick snap count would have been advantageous.

What do you experts think?

The players seem excited about it. I felt like Rosey doesn't get enough credit for how wide open he had been previously. Toure broke Moss' record. Sneed was flinging it all over the field. I know that the offense felt stale in 2022, but that may have had more to do with personnel and injuries. It seems hard to blame Rosey entirely for the 6 yard outs and runs straight up the gut, because that had not previously been his playcalling.

I'm really not close to the program like some are, and I have no good insights. Just seems as though he gets a lot of flak for having a particular play calling failure, but that really wasn't historically true for him. I don't think any of us can know everything that went into how the offense performed last year.

That being said, the players all seem excited for the offense this year, and that makes me excited too.

Our offense was better three years ago because we had a good QB that would make the right reads and we had an NFL receiver and another all-American caliber receiver. Rosey is the only guy to call our offense since they came back. If you think Hauck somehow took over play calling in any way that’s hilarious.

We will be more of a run/play action team this year. Only issue with an offense like that is you have to get the lead. Hard to play from behind when you are relying on the defense to respect your run game.

 

[kemajic]

It is the only opinion that matters. And MY opinion is that if we are stuck with Brown as QB2 then I’m done with Hauck. Because his “opinion” immediately becomes questionable. I am, however, hopeful that we have a very serviceable QB2 in McDowell and that the issue is moot. either way I’m not “bailing”. You’re stuck with me.

McDowell could very well be the #1 QB on the roster. I don’t understand why everyone is anointing Vidlak the starter. Way too early for that.

Maybe because we've seen Vidlak throw dimes and McDowell's life completion percentage is less that 50%. What is your problem with Vidlak?

 

[AZDoc]

Why? Are Kellen Moore, Doug Martin, and Matt Miller on the team this year?

No, but it does give a reflection how Pease operated as an OC. 50/50 run/pass, high usage of his backs in the passing game, etc, etc, etc. Guess for some, it is easier to piss and moan than do a little research.

hahahaha...man...i must not have slept last night. I literally didn't make the connection to Pease. NOOOOOOOOOW I've got it! :lol:

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

The players seem excited about it. I felt like Rosey doesn't get enough credit for how wide open he had been previously. Toure broke Moss' record. Sneed was flinging it all over the field. I know that the offense felt stale in 2022, but that may have had more to do with personnel and injuries. It seems hard to blame Rosey entirely for the 6 yard outs and runs straight up the gut, because that had not previously been his playcalling.

I'm really not close to the program like some are, and I have no good insights. Just seems as though he gets a lot of flak for having a particular play calling failure, but that really wasn't historically true for him. I don't think any of us can know everything that went into how the offense performed last year.

That being said, the players all seem excited for the offense this year, and that makes me excited too.

Our offense was better three years ago because we had a good QB that would make the right reads and we had an NFL receiver and another all-American caliber receiver. Rosey is the only guy to call our offense since they came back. If you think Hauck somehow took over play calling in any way that’s hilarious.

We will be more of a run/play action team this year. Only issue with an offense like that is you have to get the lead. Hard to play from behind when you are relying on the defense to respect your run game.

I didn't say, at all, that Hauck took over play calling. I'm more positive about Hauck than a good percentage of folks around these parts. I was meaning a lot closer to what you are saying, about the roster and injuries. I don't know what guys could run what plays. I'm not in those rooms where those discussions are had. But I see a lot of people blaming Rosenbach for being "boring and overly conservative, only running up the middle and calling short outs." That is certainly not his style while he has called plays here.

The year was an aberration, I get that. I was just commenting on the difference coming up in the offense and expressing that I don't think he suddenly couldn't call plays. I think there was a lot more going on with last year's offense than some seem to think.

 

[AZGrizFan]

It is the only opinion that matters. And MY opinion is that if we are stuck with Brown as QB2 then I’m done with Hauck. Because his “opinion” immediately becomes questionable. I am, however, hopeful that we have a very serviceable QB2 in McDowell and that the issue is moot. either way I’m not “bailing”. You’re stuck with me.

I’m over here hoping that if KB has to play, he takes the reins, leads us to a NC, and does a Kenny Powers finger sniff to all of us who’ve questioned him.

Well like my daddy use to say…”wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.”