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Post Game: Baffling loss

For the last two years many have complained and blamed our OL. The OL doesn't stand much of a chance with this kimmick based, predictable Stitt offense especially as it pertains to the running game.
 
Pulling guard what the heck is that? On the snap the offense line stands up, waits for contact, hand fights, and get bull rushed. They don't fire off the ball knocking people off the line of scrimmage but try and make a lane to run through. One thing I know is Germer is a good offensive line coach when coaching kids to control,the line of scrimmage. Remember DOLA? We don't have one dominate offensive lineman.
 
It's a result of the offensive scheme and how they are being coached to play. The defense also has a huge advantage when we give away the snap.
 
Worst team I can remember other than 2012. I actually can't think of a team that was this painful to watch. 2010 was pretty miserable but this year has just been pathetic, and its year two and rather than getting better the team seems to be getting worse, which is kind of a. Red flag IMO


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nzone said:
Pulling guard what the heck is that? On the snap the offense line stands up, waits for contact, hand fights, and get bull rushed. They don't fire off the ball knocking people off the line of scrimmage but try and make a lane to run through. One thing I know is Germer is a good offensive line coach when coaching kids to control,the line of scrimmage. Remember DOLA? We don't have one dominate offensive lineman.

Agree. There is no bend to the OL but, as has been said, it's not all their fault and I do like Germer's coaching style. They just need to bend at the hips and move through the plays, IMHO...
 
I was at the game and have a couple observations. First, UNC has a great band, they gave us a great halftime show.

Second, the Griz came out to start the game completely flat, flat like a pancake. They reminded me of a crew accountants arriving to audit your books, professional, well trained, and entirely unemotional.

Third, there is a real problem getting the defensive signals from the sideline to the team on the field. Often see players standing with there hands up and much shuffling around trying to get lined up. On the first UNC touchdown my daughter said "uh-oh we're confused", and we were. I watched the first three minutes of UNC cable-cast and the announcers analysis was that the Griz defense was "discombobulated". There is also a problem with late substitutes. These are real problems and it would seem at week 10 these sorts of details would be worked out.

Finally, the game was lost in the last seven minutes. The defense couldn't force a punt and the offense couldn't drive for a score. In some respects football is a simple game, you've got to perform at the critical moments and the Griz didn't.
 
2016 will be remembered as the year that we statistically we were the best team we've had in 15 years, but couldn't f***ing win to save our goddam lives.
 
Waded Cruzado smiled and told my friend that Royce should fire Stitt and hire a new coach.

If so I hope....

Kent and Royce beat the hire of Choke!
 
BWahlberg said:
rimrockgriz said:
BWahlberg said:
I had some hot takes brewing in me right after the game but it appears other posters here are full of them, either legit or not - so glad those are out.

I don't get it, I just don't get it. Look at this game on paper.

First downs: Griz 25 / UNC 12
Plays: Griz 95 / UNC 47
Yards: Griz 400 / UNC 241
Turnovers: Griz +1 (Griz forced 3 / UNC forced 2)
TOP: Griz 39:09 / UNC 20:51
3rd downs: Griz 43% / UNC 30%

But obviously the score;

Griz 25
UNC 28

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So what happened? Here's what I saw:

1. Poor redzone efficiency. RZ efficiency has been declining most of the season and today's might be the biggest single point for the loss. Take a look at the trips within the UNC redzone:

UNC 4 yard line - fieldgoal
UNC 14 yard line - lost fumble
UNC 1 yard line - touchdown (missed PAT)
UNC 5 yard line - fieldgoal
UNC 6 yard line - missed fieldgoal
UNC 2 yard line - touchdown
UNC 2 yard line - touchdown (failed 2 point)

So the Griz were withing the UNC 15 yard line 7 times and mustered 25 points - just about half of what they could've scored if each went for a TD.

Do we blame execution or playcalling? I think it goes both ways. There were dropped passes that were for-sure TDs in the end zone. There were overthrows too. There were also a few of the earlier series where the running game got the Griz to a "goal to go" situation and then the running back never touches the ball for the next 3 plays. If the Griz just get things done in the RZ then we're celebrating a win right now.

2. Special Teams. A blocked punt picked up for a touchdown. A missed PAT on a bad snap/hold. A missed chip shot field goal. A failed 2-point conversion (not sure if you hang that on ST). Add in that luckily a muffed punt didn't turn out to be a turnover. Special teams errors cost the Griz 4 points in a game that they lost by 3 - and spotted UNC 7. With all of the other issues that came up today an error-free ST game would have the Griz winning by 1 (or 2 as they'd not have gone for 2 after their last TD).

3. No vertical passing game. Chalich provides a great element of mobility and without his legs who knows if the Griz are even in this game today. The longest reception of the game came on a blown up JLM swing pass that he cut back and took for 46 yards. Otherwise a 27 yarder to Bingham and no other pass that was longer than 10 yards. When pressured the passing game was neutralized and turned into a mad scramble. The coaches adjusted to attack it in the 2nd half - but when needed (last drive of the game) it couldn't come through. Also Chad Chalich was sacked 6 times in the face of generally a 3 man rush. That's unacceptable.

4. Mental errors that veteran teams should not make. As mentioned there were dropped passes, there were overthrows, there were fumbles in the redzone, there were missed kicks, and there was the dropped snap on the punt. There were also some incredibly costly penalties. A penalty on an interception setting the offense back, when every yard and moment was needed. A cut-block and then follow up delay of game penalty that moved a drive back that wound up just scoring 3 points. An off-sides penalty that negated an interception (and the Griz drive after that series went 3 and out instead). Then the game-sealing personal foul (which Andrew Schmidt on twitter said was totally baited into - but it's always the retaliatory strike that gets flagged)

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I thought today we saw so many positive points that will now mostly go unnoticed.

- Run blocking, especially up the middle was pretty good.

- Nguyen and Counts ran pretty damn well. Both had good games. Stepping up in the place of Calhoun and carrying the ball well.

- The defense still gave up 1 big play but actually did much better than we'd seen in weeks prior. There was some good QB pressure and QB hits, and the coverage (with a few noticeable exceptions) did their job.

- The dimension given with a QB that can make plays with his feet was still good.

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0-4 in conference and 1-5 overall on the road is unacceptable. These types of performances as a whole are unacceptable. 4 loss (or worse) seasons are unacceptable. No one knows this more than the coaches, players, and administrators. A lot of focus and attention to execution, play calling, personnel, and game planning needs to continue and get better.

Would a 7-4 Griz team stand a chance to get in the playoffs? Possibly, it's a long shot, but now the Grizzlies destiny in the post season is well out of their hands. They'll need to win and get a lot of help. it's not impossible but we'll just have to see how things shake out.

This upcoming game we're honoring a group of seniors that's been through 3 different head coaches. They deserve our respect and our support. Let show up and send them off as winners.

Go Griz!
Just curious BW? At what point did Stiff convince you that yards and plays run were the new empirical database for winning football games? ... :egriz:

I'm a numbers guy, it was way before Stitt, probably Hauck

I have a really hard time believing that you counted offensive plays per team before Stitt or during Hauck's years. I didn't even know it was a thing back then...
 
bhumble said:
Eriul said:
UNC just has a bad defense. 106th in FCS in rushing defense and 102 in passing defense. 113th total defense. They allow 472 ypg and 35 ppg. We fell below both of those marks today. There's really not a single person you can blame for a top 10 fcs offense to get 4 yards per play

Top 10 in what?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/21

Uhhh
 
brewskis said:
2016 will be remembered as the year that we statistically we were the best team we've had in 15 years, but couldn't f***ing win to save our goddam lives.

Yup
 
G-BEARS said:
BWahlberg said:
rimrockgriz said:
BWahlberg said:
I had some hot takes brewing in me right after the game but it appears other posters here are full of them, either legit or not - so glad those are out.

I don't get it, I just don't get it. Look at this game on paper.

First downs: Griz 25 / UNC 12
Plays: Griz 95 / UNC 47
Yards: Griz 400 / UNC 241
Turnovers: Griz +1 (Griz forced 3 / UNC forced 2)
TOP: Griz 39:09 / UNC 20:51
3rd downs: Griz 43% / UNC 30%

But obviously the score;

Griz 25
UNC 28

------------

So what happened? Here's what I saw:

1. Poor redzone efficiency. RZ efficiency has been declining most of the season and today's might be the biggest single point for the loss. Take a look at the trips within the UNC redzone:

UNC 4 yard line - fieldgoal
UNC 14 yard line - lost fumble
UNC 1 yard line - touchdown (missed PAT)
UNC 5 yard line - fieldgoal
UNC 6 yard line - missed fieldgoal
UNC 2 yard line - touchdown
UNC 2 yard line - touchdown (failed 2 point)

So the Griz were withing the UNC 15 yard line 7 times and mustered 25 points - just about half of what they could've scored if each went for a TD.

Do we blame execution or playcalling? I think it goes both ways. There were dropped passes that were for-sure TDs in the end zone. There were overthrows too. There were also a few of the earlier series where the running game got the Griz to a "goal to go" situation and then the running back never touches the ball for the next 3 plays. If the Griz just get things done in the RZ then we're celebrating a win right now.

2. Special Teams. A blocked punt picked up for a touchdown. A missed PAT on a bad snap/hold. A missed chip shot field goal. A failed 2-point conversion (not sure if you hang that on ST). Add in that luckily a muffed punt didn't turn out to be a turnover. Special teams errors cost the Griz 4 points in a game that they lost by 3 - and spotted UNC 7. With all of the other issues that came up today an error-free ST game would have the Griz winning by 1 (or 2 as they'd not have gone for 2 after their last TD).

3. No vertical passing game. Chalich provides a great element of mobility and without his legs who knows if the Griz are even in this game today. The longest reception of the game came on a blown up JLM swing pass that he cut back and took for 46 yards. Otherwise a 27 yarder to Bingham and no other pass that was longer than 10 yards. When pressured the passing game was neutralized and turned into a mad scramble. The coaches adjusted to attack it in the 2nd half - but when needed (last drive of the game) it couldn't come through. Also Chad Chalich was sacked 6 times in the face of generally a 3 man rush. That's unacceptable.

4. Mental errors that veteran teams should not make. As mentioned there were dropped passes, there were overthrows, there were fumbles in the redzone, there were missed kicks, and there was the dropped snap on the punt. There were also some incredibly costly penalties. A penalty on an interception setting the offense back, when every yard and moment was needed. A cut-block and then follow up delay of game penalty that moved a drive back that wound up just scoring 3 points. An off-sides penalty that negated an interception (and the Griz drive after that series went 3 and out instead). Then the game-sealing personal foul (which Andrew Schmidt on twitter said was totally baited into - but it's always the retaliatory strike that gets flagged)

-------------

I thought today we saw so many positive points that will now mostly go unnoticed.

- Run blocking, especially up the middle was pretty good.

- Nguyen and Counts ran pretty damn well. Both had good games. Stepping up in the place of Calhoun and carrying the ball well.

- The defense still gave up 1 big play but actually did much better than we'd seen in weeks prior. There was some good QB pressure and QB hits, and the coverage (with a few noticeable exceptions) did their job.

- The dimension given with a QB that can make plays with his feet was still good.

----------------

0-4 in conference and 1-5 overall on the road is unacceptable. These types of performances as a whole are unacceptable. 4 loss (or worse) seasons are unacceptable. No one knows this more than the coaches, players, and administrators. A lot of focus and attention to execution, play calling, personnel, and game planning needs to continue and get better.

Would a 7-4 Griz team stand a chance to get in the playoffs? Possibly, it's a long shot, but now the Grizzlies destiny in the post season is well out of their hands. They'll need to win and get a lot of help. it's not impossible but we'll just have to see how things shake out.

This upcoming game we're honoring a group of seniors that's been through 3 different head coaches. They deserve our respect and our support. Let show up and send them off as winners.

Go Griz!
Just curious BW? At what point did Stiff convince you that yards and plays run were the new empirical database for winning football games? ... :egriz:

I'm a numbers guy, it was way before Stitt, probably Hauck

I have a really hard time believing that you counted offensive plays per team before Stitt or during Hauck's years. I didn't even know it was a thing back then...

You might be right on plays it was probably more TOP with Hauck. Plays came into importance with Pflu and his offense.
 
1. Stats don't mean a damned thing in football. They can't. There's no comparison w/ baseball stats, which, I think, is why not that long ago, someone thought it'd be a good idea to make football stats as significant as baseball stats. Stats are something, I think, that the AP thought up long ago about making sports more "important": quantify them. Well, ok for baseball; not for football. In football, the only important stat is the W/L.

2. Never will understand Stitt's fascination w/ sideline passes that don't go anywhere. I'll bet Chalich had at least as much yardage passing to the sideline receivers as up field. And, not just this game.

3. Good thing Chalich was QB & not Brady; loss would have been bigger.
 
Grizzoola said:
3. Good thing Chalich was QB & not Brady; loss would have been bigger.

Disagree 100%

Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.
 
BWahlberg said:
Grizzoola said:
3. Good thing Chalich was QB & not Brady; loss would have been bigger.

Disagree 100%

Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.

Would he have done that on the road though, I'm really not so sure. Brady has one win outside the state of Montana in his career, where he played very poorly against UNI. I was calling to bring Brady in in the second half though to change things up (didn't know and still not sure if he was healthy).
 
BWahlberg said:
Grizzoola said:
3. Good thing Chalich was QB & not Brady; loss would have been bigger.
Disagree 100%

Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.
You are saying, point blank, Stitt was simply wrong Saturday? There's no sugar there.
 
UMGriz75 said:
BWahlberg said:
Grizzoola said:
3. Good thing Chalich was QB & not Brady; loss would have been bigger.
Disagree 100%

Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.
You are saying, point blank, Stitt was simply wrong Saturday? There's no sugar there.

He's actually criticizing a player too. I don't completely agree with him, but I like it. About time people started thinking for themselves rather than repeating what the coaches do as gospel. Surprised there hasn't been a backlash from Havgriz or Eirul for criticizing a player. Oh wait, it fits their agenda nevermind.
 
UMGriz75 said:
BWahlberg said:
Grizzoola said:
3. Good thing Chalich was QB & not Brady; loss would have been bigger.
Disagree 100%

Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.
You are saying, point blank, Stitt was simply wrong Saturday? There's no sugar there.

Nope.

Stitt had multiple comments that they need a fully healthy Brady. I assume he wasn't ready for the game then. A healthy Gus at QB and I think the Griz win that game. But we didn't have that and it resulted in a loss.
 
G-BEARS said:
UMGriz75 said:
BWahlberg said:
Grizzoola said:
3. Good thing Chalich was QB & not Brady; loss would have been bigger.
Disagree 100%

Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.
You are saying, point blank, Stitt was simply wrong Saturday? There's no sugar there.

He's actually criticizing a player too. I don't completely agree with him, but I like it. About time people started thinking for themselves rather than repeating what the coaches do as gospel. Surprised there hasn't been a backlash from Havgriz or Eirul for criticizing a player. Oh wait, it fits their agenda nevermind.

Criticizing or pointing out why Brady has been the clear-cut starter (when healthy) the whole season? The coaching staff knows what they're doing and who the best QB is on the team.
 
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