Possible QB Transfer

[PlayerRep]

Correct! You can't execute a "zone read" running play if the QB never keeps. It just becomes a deep handoff and we've seen how that works against a good DL, i.e. DOA running game.

It was a joke watching the zone read type handing being run without a QB run threat. If the QB isn't a run threat then it if futile to show that look. No tightend, fullback and a QB who won't keep it the back is screwed

Why do you seem to think that all running plays are zone read? They are not. The announcers were referring to dive plays. That's not zone read. I don't think the Griz were running much zone read. They were often doing other types of running plays and calling plays to set up play action passes. IF anyone actually knows the facts, pls speak up.

Well if it wasn't a zone read setup, then the QB mechanics on a handoff and the timing of the back are the worst in history.....call it what you like. 5 linemen blocking for one back (no tight ends, no fullback and no QB run possibility it was a doomed playcall. That joke wouldn't set up play action....there needs to be an actual threat the run will be effective.

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

 

[kyle_sample]

Is that what Chalich and Prater thought too? If the kid believes he can win the starting job here, I can tell you it's not from anything Stitt told him, and how could he attain that knowledge from seeing a few highlights of BG that are on Youtube. I prefer to take 18-21 athletes at their word actually. He said he's interested in Montana because they win. Pretty much all he said. I have no reason to believe he was being PC or lying.

Your assurance that it's not anything Stitt told him is wrong. There is an open competition going in to next season

 

[Ursus1]

It was a joke watching the zone read type handing being run without a QB run threat. If the QB isn't a run threat then it if futile to show that look. No tightend, fullback and a QB who won't keep it the back is screwed

Why do you seem to think that all running plays are zone read? They are not. The announcers were referring to dive plays. That's not zone read. I don't think the Griz were running much zone read. They were often doing other types of running plays and calling plays to set up play action passes. IF anyone actually knows the facts, pls speak up.

Well if it wasn't a zone read setup, then the QB mechanics on a handoff and the timing of the back are the worst in history.....call it what you like. 5 linemen blocking for one back (no tight ends, no fullback and no QB run possibility it was a doomed playcall. That joke wouldn't set up play action....there needs to be an actual threat the run will be effective.

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

I saw it as Brady's passing set up the run in those games , against NDSU he was off (to say the least) and the run game was on its own. The current run game scheme cannot set up the pass without a QB running option that needs honored. The current run game can be successful IF the passing game is hurting the defenses enough. I also saw complete different defense schemes and abilities contrasted in those games. Honestly I don't think the Griz would have beat NDSU in Fargo even with a dual threat QB. The lines of scrimmage were lost on both sides of the ball for the Griz in that game. How did UM win the first? Incredible catches by receiving crew, best passing by far for Brady, balls thrown into coverage that the Griz managed to cone down with, and NDSU had a ton of young kids that greatly improved over the season but were very green in first game going against a really unknown commodity with no real game tapes of the current personnel in Stitt's system. Plus, I always give a good homefield advantage 7 points. NDSU is just a better team/program right now. Can Stitt make that turn around? We will see....but better get the line of scrimmage advantage somehow, someway or it won't happen.

 

[Ursus1]

Is that what Chalich and Prater thought too? If the kid believes he can win the starting job here, I can tell you it's not from anything Stitt told him, and how could he attain that knowledge from seeing a few highlights of BG that are on Youtube. I prefer to take 18-21 athletes at their word actually. He said he's interested in Montana because they win. Pretty much all he said. I have no reason to believe he was being PC or lying.

Your assurance that it's not anything Stitt told him is wrong. There is an open competition going in to next season

As there should be, every position. ..every year. Best players (who are not detrimental to team for other reasons) should play the most if you want a team to achieve at highest level.

 

[George Ferguson]

Kyle, I meant I'm positive Stitt didn't tell him HE would be the starter, not that he wouldn't have an opportunity to be the starter.

 

[AZGrizFan]

It was a joke watching the zone read type handing being run without a QB run threat. If the QB isn't a run threat then it if futile to show that look. No tightend, fullback and a QB who won't keep it the back is screwed

Why do you seem to think that all running plays are zone read? They are not. The announcers were referring to dive plays. That's not zone read. I don't think the Griz were running much zone read. They were often doing other types of running plays and calling plays to set up play action passes. IF anyone actually knows the facts, pls speak up.

Well if it wasn't a zone read setup, then the QB mechanics on a handoff and the timing of the back are the worst in history.....call it what you like. 5 linemen blocking for one back (no tight ends, no fullback and no QB run possibility it was a doomed playcall. That joke wouldn't set up play action....there needs to be an actual threat the run will be effective.

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

You don't think their inability to run had anything to do with Gus not being willing/able to keep it occasionally?

 

[kyle_sample]

Kyle, I meant I'm positive Stitt didn't tell him HE would be the starter, not that he wouldn't have an opportunity to be the starter.

Ok, that makes more sense. I read what you wrote a few times because usually your info is pretty spot on and I was trying to find the disconnect. As I should have guessed it was with my comprehension

 

[kemajic]

and it's a "sin" that Glenn didn't use Brandon Neill more to bail out Edwards in 2002?

Well, let's just look at one of those last four games in which the Griz and Edwards lost 3 in 2002. Edwards' stats against MSU in 2002: 8 for 32 with 1 int., 2 sacks, 1 lost fumble and 0 TDs. You would have to look long and hard in the history of UM football to find a worse QB performance. In a game determined by 3 points, do you really want to say Neill couldn't have done better than that and had a better chance to beat MSU in at least the 4th quarter? If Edwards was not 100% even more so. Personally, I would pick Neill to QB my team ahead of Edwards any day with both healthy. Neill was a very talented underutilized QB. Edwards was a good leader, but a very average QB on an exceptional team with Yo Humphrey and a great D.

 

[Griz Man]

Nick Mitchell to DII Dixie State in UT: http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/12/nick_mitchell_former_oregon_st.html

My 2 cents:
1) I guess you really can't go by highlight reels, because I also was thinking this guy looked better than Phillips.
2) How could Dixie State be in Utah? Didn't know they had cotton there.

 

[PlayerRep]

Why do you seem to think that all running plays are zone read? They are not. The announcers were referring to dive plays. That's not zone read. I don't think the Griz were running much zone read. They were often doing other types of running plays and calling plays to set up play action passes. IF anyone actually knows the facts, pls speak up.

Well if it wasn't a zone read setup, then the QB mechanics on a handoff and the timing of the back are the worst in history.....call it what you like. 5 linemen blocking for one back (no tight ends, no fullback and no QB run possibility it was a doomed playcall. That joke wouldn't set up play action....there needs to be an actual threat the run will be effective.

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

You don't think their inability to run had anything to do with Gus not being willing/able to keep it occasionally?

Correct, I don't. At least not of any significance. NDSU's d-line stuffed our offense.

In the EWU, MSU and SDS games, Nguyen ran for over 100 yards, I believe. Brady's rushes were: 1-2, 4-5, and 3-6. Lack of running by Brady didn't hurt the rush game in those games.

Brady rushed 5 times for 4 yards in the first NDSU game. He ran 9 for 29 against CP, and UM lost the game.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

I agree with PR. Of course its great to have more of a running threat at QB, but it is much more of a value to have a QB who can effectively throw the ball all over the field against a defense like NDSU. Unfortunately, Gus didn't play well. I honestly don't think a QB that can run and maybe not be as good of a passer could have been successful.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Steve Miller knows exactly what the facts is.

Just wanted you to know this post did not go unnoticed. Strong work. :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's? :? :? :?

 

[Mousegriz]

and it's a "sin" that Glenn didn't use Brandon Neill more to bail out Edwards in 2002?

Well, let's just look at one of those last four games in which the Griz and Edwards lost 3 in 2002. Edwards' stats against MSU in 2002: 8 for 32 with 1 int., 2 sacks, 1 lost fumble and 0 TDs. You would have to look long and hard in the history of UM football to find a worse QB performance. In a game determined by 3 points, do you really want to say Neill couldn't have done better than that and had a better chance to beat MSU in at least the 4th quarter? If Edwards was not 100% even more so. Personally, I would pick Neill to QB my team ahead of Edwards any day with both healthy. Neill was a very talented underutilized QB. Edwards was a good leader, but a very average QB on an exceptional team with Yo Humphrey and a great D.

Maybe just a misunderstanding on what a "sin" is. Glenn probably should have pulled the injured and ineffective Edwards that day.......but it's a "sin" he didn't? Or it's because of the Sprint Turf at WAGRIZ? I don't think it was a "sin" nor the result of the Sprint Turf donation. I think it's because a good coach stood by his national title winning QB a little longer than he should have....and the QB's competitive fire didn't allow him to take himself out. Not the first time this has happened in pretty much every sport.

..... the 2nd string QB is the fans' most popular player on the team....when the 1st stringer is struggling. Where did the kid MSU didn't put in for the struggling Bleskin end up anyway?

 

[grizcountry420]

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's? :? :? :?

Arguing with a Lawyer is a lot like wrestling a pig in the mud. After a couple of hours you realize the pig likes it.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Texas Tech's backup (and former starter) David Webb leaving the program.

Of course, that last sentence implies he's probably going to stay FBS. :twisted:

 

[PlayerRep]

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's? :? :? :?

Are you seriously arguing that UM would have had a good running game against NDSU if Brady had run or been able to run a few times? Do you really think that Brady running a bit, or even Simis running a bit, would have countered the strength of NDSU's run defense?

 

[PlayerRep]

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's? :? :? :?

Arguing with a Lawyer is a lot like wrestling a pig in the mud. After a couple of hours you realize the pig likes it.

Actually, you miss the main point, i.e. trying to argue football with someone who understands and pays attention to the game is what creates the issue. Ha.

 

[garizzalies]

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's? :? :? :?

Are you seriously arguing that UM would have had a good running game against NDSU if Brady had run or been able to run a few times? Do you really think that Brady running a bit, or even Simis running a bit, would have countered the strength of NDSU's run defense?

Why didn't you call out your buddy 75 when he tried to make that outrageous claim last week?

 

[AZGrizFan]

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's? :? :? :?

Are you seriously arguing that UM would have had a good running game against NDSU if Brady had run or been able to run a few times? Do you really think that Brady running a bit, or even Simis running a bit, would have countered the strength of NDSU's run defense?

I'm saying the QB's INABILITY and UNWILLINGNESS to even ONCE carry the ball made it even easier than it otherwise would have been. I'm not saying we'd have run for 150. But when the QB is ZERO threat to keep the ball, that makes it 11 against 10 and that sure makes it easier on the D. Obviously there were many other factors at play, but even the semblance of a running game might have opened things up a bit. I guess ultimately we'll never know, will we?

There, I answered your question. Now answer mine. Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's?