Possible QB Transfer

[PlayerRep]

How do you explain Nguyen getting over 100 yards in 3 successive games, with Brady as qb and little or no zone read and little threat of the qb running?

For AZ: Little or nothing was working against NDSU. Don't think that had much, if anything, to do with the qb not being a running threat.

Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's? :? :? :?

Are you seriously arguing that UM would have had a good running game against NDSU if Brady had run or been able to run a few times? Do you really think that Brady running a bit, or even Simis running a bit, would have countered the strength of NDSU's run defense?

I'm saying the QB's INABILITY and UNWILLINGNESS to even ONCE carry the ball made it even easier than it otherwise would have been. I'm not saying we'd have run for 150. But when the QB is ZERO threat to keep the ball, that makes it 11 against 10 and that sure makes it easier on the D. Obviously there were many other factors at play, but even the semblance of a running game might have opened things up a bit. I guess ultimately we'll never know, will we?

There, I answered your question. Now answer mine. Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's?

As I have said all along, the NDSU defense, including run defense, was so good in that game that it completely shut down UM's run game. The threat of Brady running or his actual running would have had virtually no impact on the UM run game. NDSU had the run defensed with 4 down lineman and 1 linebacker. It is not 10 against 11 with a non-running qb. Brady was often a threat in play action pass and maybe even roll out, which NDSU had to be very aware of and defend, and he was often in run-pass mode, in which he can hand off or throw a pass. Of course, NDSU has a better defense than EWU or MSU. That was part of my point, i.e. that the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

 

[Ursus1]

Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's? :? :? :?

Are you seriously arguing that UM would have had a good running game against NDSU if Brady had run or been able to run a few times? Do you really think that Brady running a bit, or even Simis running a bit, would have countered the strength of NDSU's run defense?

I'm saying the QB's INABILITY and UNWILLINGNESS to even ONCE carry the ball made it even easier than it otherwise would have been. I'm not saying we'd have run for 150. But when the QB is ZERO threat to keep the ball, that makes it 11 against 10 and that sure makes it easier on the D. Obviously there were many other factors at play, but even the semblance of a running game might have opened things up a bit. I guess ultimately we'll never know, will we?

There, I answered your question. Now answer mine. Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's?

As I have said all along, the NDSU defense, including run defense, was so good in that game that it completely shut down UM's run game. The threat of Brady running or his actual running would have had virtually no impact on the UM run game. NDSU had the run defensed with 4 down lineman and 1 linebacker. It is not 10 against 11 with a non-running qb. Brady was often a threat in play action pass and maybe even roll out, which NDSU had to be very aware of and defend, and he was often in run-pass mode, in which he can hand off or throw a pass. Of course, NDSU has a better defense than EWU or MSU. That was part of my point, i.e. that the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

I agree they were dominant (I explained my opinion why they were in above post). Curious to what you attribute their dominance considering UM beat them earlier in the season?

 

[AZGrizFan]

the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

I guess the question is: was the Bison defense dominant because Brady didn't/wouldn't run, or did Brady not run because of the dominant Bison defense?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Are you seriously arguing that UM would have had a good running game against NDSU if Brady had run or been able to run a few times? Do you really think that Brady running a bit, or even Simis running a bit, would have countered the strength of NDSU's run defense?

I'm saying the QB's INABILITY and UNWILLINGNESS to even ONCE carry the ball made it even easier than it otherwise would have been. I'm not saying we'd have run for 150. But when the QB is ZERO threat to keep the ball, that makes it 11 against 10 and that sure makes it easier on the D. Obviously there were many other factors at play, but even the semblance of a running game might have opened things up a bit. I guess ultimately we'll never know, will we?

There, I answered your question. Now answer mine. Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's?

As I have said all along, the NDSU defense, including run defense, was so good in that game that it completely shut down UM's run game. The threat of Brady running or his actual running would have had virtually no impact on the UM run game. NDSU had the run defensed with 4 down lineman and 1 linebacker. It is not 10 against 11 with a non-running qb. Brady was often a threat in play action pass and maybe even roll out, which NDSU had to be very aware of and defend, and he was often in run-pass mode, in which he can hand off or throw a pass. Of course, NDSU has a better defense than EWU or MSU. That was part of my point, i.e. that the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

I agree they were dominant (I explained my opinion why they were in above post). Curious to what you attribute their dominance considering UM beat them earlier in the season?

QB play

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I'm saying the QB's INABILITY and UNWILLINGNESS to even ONCE carry the ball made it even easier than it otherwise would have been. I'm not saying we'd have run for 150. But when the QB is ZERO threat to keep the ball, that makes it 11 against 10 and that sure makes it easier on the D. Obviously there were many other factors at play, but even the semblance of a running game might have opened things up a bit. I guess ultimately we'll never know, will we?

There, I answered your question. Now answer mine. Are you seriously comparing EWU's and MSU's defense to NDSU's?

As I have said all along, the NDSU defense, including run defense, was so good in that game that it completely shut down UM's run game. The threat of Brady running or his actual running would have had virtually no impact on the UM run game. NDSU had the run defensed with 4 down lineman and 1 linebacker. It is not 10 against 11 with a non-running qb. Brady was often a threat in play action pass and maybe even roll out, which NDSU had to be very aware of and defend, and he was often in run-pass mode, in which he can hand off or throw a pass. Of course, NDSU has a better defense than EWU or MSU. That was part of my point, i.e. that the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

I agree they were dominant (I explained my opinion why they were in above post). Curious to what you attribute their dominance considering UM beat them earlier in the season?

QB play

You Stitt that nail on the head.

 

[PlayerRep]

the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

I guess the question is: was the Bison defense dominant because Brady didn't/wouldn't run, or did Brady not run because of the dominant Bison defense?

Nope. The Bison D was just plain dominant and it had nothing to do with Brady running or not in my view. Brady hadn't run hardly at all during the season, and he was still coming back from the leg injury, so no surprise he didn't run.

If anyone else things that the Bison D was dominant because Brady didn't run, please speak up. I'm curious as to whether there are a number of you who believe that.

 

[AZGrizFan]

the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

I guess the question is: was the Bison defense dominant because Brady didn't/wouldn't run, or did Brady not run because of the dominant Bison defense?

Nope. The Bison D was just plain dominant and it had nothing to do with Brady running or not in my view. Brady hadn't run hardly at all during the season, and he was still coming back from the leg injury, so no surprise he didn't run.

If anyone else things that the Bison D was dominant because Brady didn't run, please speak up. I'm curious as to whether there are a number of you who believe that.

My point exactly. It was no surprise. It eliminated the threat completely, allowing them to key on the RB ONLY on running plays.

 

[GrizzGriz]

I will go with what Coach Stitt said in the halftime interview, to paraphrase, "they threw some things at us defensively we did not expect...." I am a supporter of Coach Stitt, but I believe the NDSU defensive coordinator out coached our offensive coordinator. No matter who our qb was that day, they were more prepared.

Getting out coached happens at all levels to all coaches...

 

[Griz Man]

I will go with what Coach Stitt said in the halftime interview, to paraphrase, "they threw some things at us defensively we did not expect...." I am a supporter of Coach Stitt, but I believe the NDSU defensive coordinator out coached our offensive coordinator. No matter who our qb was that day, they were more prepared.

Getting out coached happens at all levels to all coaches...

Can you imagine how the NDSU staff must have pondered that first game tape in their free moments, stewing and scheming? Now Stitt has the summer to stew and scheme over the 2nd game tape.

 

[Ursus1]

the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

I guess the question is: was the Bison defense dominant because Brady didn't/wouldn't run, or did Brady not run because of the dominant Bison defense?

Nope. The Bison D was just plain dominant and it had nothing to do with Brady running or not in my view. Brady hadn't run hardly at all during the season, and he was still coming back from the leg injury, so no surprise he didn't run.

If anyone else things that the Bison D was dominant because Brady didn't run, please speak up. I'm curious as to whether there are a number of you who believe that.

Still waiting for you to answers my question. ..why were they dominant the second time around? I realize this answer might force you to be critical of some coaches or players, maybe you can't sugar coat everything

 

[Grisly Fan]

the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

I guess the question is: was the Bison defense dominant because Brady didn't/wouldn't run, or did Brady not run because of the dominant Bison defense?

Nope. The Bison D was just plain dominant and it had nothing to do with Brady running or not in my view. Brady hadn't run hardly at all during the season, and he was still coming back from the leg injury, so no surprise he didn't run.

If anyone else things that the Bison D was dominant because Brady didn't run, please speak up. I'm curious as to whether there are a number of you who believe that.

My point exactly. It was no surprise. It eliminated the threat completely, allowing them to key on the RB ONLY on running plays.

+1 Any kind of running threat from the QB would have complicated things for the NDSU defense. Would it have been enough to make a significant difference? That's beside the point.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I guess the question is: was the Bison defense dominant because Brady didn't/wouldn't run, or did Brady not run because of the dominant Bison defense?

Nope. The Bison D was just plain dominant and it had nothing to do with Brady running or not in my view. Brady hadn't run hardly at all during the season, and he was still coming back from the leg injury, so no surprise he didn't run.

If anyone else things that the Bison D was dominant because Brady didn't run, please speak up. I'm curious as to whether there are a number of you who believe that.

My point exactly. It was no surprise. It eliminated the threat completely, allowing them to key on the RB ONLY on running plays.

+1 Any kind of running threat from the QB would have complicated things for the NDSU defense. Would it have been enough to make a significant difference? That's beside the point.

I'm not sure it would have made a significant difference (we'll never know), but it surely didn't HELP.

 

[GrizMaker]

The need for 300 lb Dline guys, Tight Ends, increased overall speed and Zone read QB's have led to some minor changes in the previous system. Rumors are that we have 2-300lb guys to act as run stoppers on the way, DT standout is moving to DE, the Tight End is being reinstated and Zone Read QB's are coming as well as competition for the drop back QB position too. apparently exit interviews had some people a little shocked. If anyone can verify any of this it will start the New Year off in a positive manner. Happy New Year to Griz Nation.

 

[fanofzoo]

the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

I guess the question is: was the Bison defense dominant because Brady didn't/wouldn't run, or did Brady not run because of the dominant Bison defense?

Nope. The Bison D was just plain dominant and it had nothing to do with Brady running or not in my view. Brady hadn't run hardly at all during the season, and he was still coming back from the leg injury, so no surprise he didn't run.

If anyone else things that the Bison D was dominant because Brady didn't run, please speak up. I'm curious as to whether there are a number of you who believe that.

Ok,I think that taking away any threat of Gus running had to help the defense. How much we will never know, however in our win against them, Gus did run the ball several times with positive results, I believe he had at least a 4 ypc and in stitts offense thats good enough.
Would it have been enough in the last game, probably not, but----

 

[PlayerRep]

the Bison D was so good and dominant, that UM couldn't handle it. Saying that UM would have had a better run game if Bready had run, is almost silly, in my view. The key factor was the dominant Bison defense, not whether Brady ran or could run.

I guess the question is: was the Bison defense dominant because Brady didn't/wouldn't run, or did Brady not run because of the dominant Bison defense?

Nope. The Bison D was just plain dominant and it had nothing to do with Brady running or not in my view. Brady hadn't run hardly at all during the season, and he was still coming back from the leg injury, so no surprise he didn't run.

If anyone else things that the Bison D was dominant because Brady didn't run, please speak up. I'm curious as to whether there are a number of you who believe that.

Ok,I think that taking away any threat of Gus running had to help the defense. How much we will never know, however in our win against them, Gus did run the ball several times with positive results, I believe he had at least a 4 ypc and in stitts offense thats good enough.
Would it have been enough in the last game, probably not, but----

The official stats of the first NDSU game have Brady for 4 yards, total, in 5 carries. I don't recall the specific plays.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I guess the question is: was the Bison defense dominant because Brady didn't/wouldn't run, or did Brady not run because of the dominant Bison defense?

Nope. The Bison D was just plain dominant and it had nothing to do with Brady running or not in my view. Brady hadn't run hardly at all during the season, and he was still coming back from the leg injury, so no surprise he didn't run.

If anyone else things that the Bison D was dominant because Brady didn't run, please speak up. I'm curious as to whether there are a number of you who believe that.

Ok,I think that taking away any threat of Gus running had to help the defense. How much we will never know, however in our win against them, Gus did run the ball several times with positive results, I believe he had at least a 4 ypc and in stitts offense thats good enough.
Would it have been enough in the last game, probably not, but----

The official stats of the first NDSU game have Brady for 4 yards, total, in 5 carries. I don't recall the specific plays.

Two of those "carries" we're sacks. There were three actual running plays. 9 the next week against CP.

 

[mtgriz]

All this talk about Brady running or not running. In my opinion the reason the Bison defense was so dominant was that Brady couldn't pass (accurately) in the second game. That's not all on Brady of course...but I believe Stitt passes to set up the run rather than the other way around.

 

[PlayerRep]

Nope. The Bison D was just plain dominant and it had nothing to do with Brady running or not in my view. Brady hadn't run hardly at all during the season, and he was still coming back from the leg injury, so no surprise he didn't run.

If anyone else things that the Bison D was dominant because Brady didn't run, please speak up. I'm curious as to whether there are a number of you who believe that.

Ok,I think that taking away any threat of Gus running had to help the defense. How much we will never know, however in our win against them, Gus did run the ball several times with positive results, I believe he had at least a 4 ypc and in stitts offense thats good enough.
Would it have been enough in the last game, probably not, but----

The official stats of the first NDSU game have Brady for 4 yards, total, in 5 carries. I don't recall the specific plays.

Brady rushed 5 times for 13 yards, losing 9. Backing out the 2 sacks, he carried 3 times for 4 yards, or 1.33 per carry. I don't think that running "threat/success" impacted the first game in a positive way or any material respect.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Ok,I think that taking away any threat of Gus running had to help the defense. How much we will never know, however in our win against them, Gus did run the ball several times with positive results, I believe he had at least a 4 ypc and in stitts offense thats good enough.
Would it have been enough in the last game, probably not, but----

The official stats of the first NDSU game have Brady for 4 yards, total, in 5 carries. I don't recall the specific plays.

Brady rushed 5 times for 13 yards, losing 9. Backing out the 2 sacks, he carried 3 times for 4 yards, or 1.33 per carry. I don't think that running "threat/success" impacted the first game in a positive way or any material respect.

Rush for 6 yards
Sacked for 6 yard loss
Rush for 3 yards
Sacked for 8 yard loss
Rush for 4 yards

3 rushes for 13 yards. 2 sacks for 14 yards. That's what the play by play shows. Either way, that's 3 actual Rush attempts for a 4.3 yard average.

 

[PlayerRep]

The official stats of the first NDSU game have Brady for 4 yards, total, in 5 carries. I don't recall the specific plays.

Brady rushed 5 times for 13 yards, losing 9. Backing out the 2 sacks, he carried 3 times for 4 yards, or 1.33 per carry. I don't think that running "threat/success" impacted the first game in a positive way or any material respect.

Rush for 6 yards
Sacked for 6 yard loss
Rush for 3 yards
Sacked for 8 yard loss
Rush for 4 yards

3 rushes for 13 yards. 2 sacks for 14 yards. That's what the play by play shows. Either way, that's 3 actual Rush attempts for a 4.3 yard average.

From the official stats:

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
John Nguyen 19 90 4 86 0 20 4.5
Joey Counts 10 16 2 14 1 6 1.4
Chase Naccarato 1 6 0 6 0 6 6.0
Brady Gustafson 5 13 9 4 0 6 0.8
Totals... 35 125 15 110 1 20 3.1

I goofed up my original methodology and calculation.