Possible QB Transfer

[GrizMusician]

What's funny about that is, I took it the exact opposite. He said "I want to finally be on a winning team". He didn't say anything about expecting to win the starting job or being handed the starting job, or anything else. He just said he wants to go to a winning program. And he was talking about the Griz, and not any of the other schools he plans to contact. I thought that was a huge compliment to UM's program, and, probably a bit of a dis to Kentucky too lol. I liked that one of the reasons he's looking at UM is because he knows the Griz win and want to win even more.

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[Ursus1]

Would love to have Gus too but he just can't run, you have to be somewhat of threat.

Wrong. Did Drew Miller need to be a threat running? No.

Gus can move but he stays in the pocket and allows his WR's to make plays at his expense. Much tougher to do than scramble for a few yards. Amazed at the obsession some of you still have for finding a soft QB who doesn't have the balls to sit in the pocket. Especially in this offense.

THAT'S not when he needs to be a running threat. He needs to be a running threat when he calls a RUNNING play. If the defense NEVER has to worry about the QB but can tee off on the only RB in the backfield on a running play, that isn't going to work long term...we saw that in the NDSU game. With Gus playing on 1 1/2 legs he absolutely wasn't going to run. Because of that the NDSU D teed up Nguyen all day. Need a QB that CAN run so he can pull the ball back if the DE crashes down.

Correct! You can't execute a "zone read" running play if the QB never keeps. It just becomes a deep handoff and we've seen how that works against a good DL, i.e. DOA running game.

It was a joke watching the zone read type handing being run without a QB run threat. If the QB isn't a run threat then it if futile to show that look. No tightend, fullback and a QB who won't keep it the back is screwed

 

[fanofzoo]

With all the QB's coming what recruit would what to play here knowing it would always be a merry-go round.

 

[1972]

With all the QB's coming what recruit would what to play here knowing it would always be a merry-go round.

The one that likes to throw the ball a lot. Nothing wrong with competition. They're all competitors, may the best man win. Imagine a few QB's from last year won't be back.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

What's funny about that is, I took it the exact opposite. He said "I want to finally be on a winning team". He didn't say anything about expecting to win the starting job or being handed the starting job, or anything else. He just said he wants to go to a winning program. And he was talking about the Griz, and not any of the other schools he plans to contact. I thought that was a huge compliment to UM's program, and, probably a bit of a dis to Kentucky too lol. I liked that one of the reasons he's looking at UM is because he knows the Griz win and want to win even more.

He's a smart kid who said the smart thing. I really doubt he'd consider transferring here unless he felt like he'd get a good shot at the starting job though...

 

[grizcountry420]

What's funny about that is, I took it the exact opposite. He said "I want to finally be on a winning team". He didn't say anything about expecting to win the starting job or being handed the starting job, or anything else. He just said he wants to go to a winning program. And he was talking about the Griz, and not any of the other schools he plans to contact. I thought that was a huge compliment to UM's program, and, probably a bit of a dis to Kentucky too lol. I liked that one of the reasons he's looking at UM is because he knows the Griz win and want to win even more.

He's a smart kid who said the smart thing. I really doubt he'd consider transferring here unless he felt like he'd get a good shot at the starting job though...

But still.......

 

[George Ferguson]

Is that what Chalich and Prater thought too? If the kid believes he can win the starting job here, I can tell you it's not from anything Stitt told him, and how could he attain that knowledge from seeing a few highlights of BG that are on Youtube. I prefer to take 18-21 athletes at their word actually. He said he's interested in Montana because they win. Pretty much all he said. I have no reason to believe he was being PC or lying.

 

[griz4life]

Would love to have Gus too but he just can't run, you have to be somewhat of threat.

Wrong. Did Drew Miller need to be a threat running? No.

Drew did plenty of running. His 2000 season rushing was -159 yards.

And being bailed out by Edwards on multiple occasions.

You can't drop a claim like that in a thread without a few examples of these "multiple occasions." Give us at least three games in which John Edwards was called upon to bail out Drew Miller.

 

[Fahque]

Wrong. Did Drew Miller need to be a threat running? No.

Drew did plenty of running. His 2000 season rushing was -159 yards.

And being bailed out by Edwards on multiple occasions.

You can't drop a claim like that in a thread without a few examples of these "multiple occasions." Give us at least three games in which John Edwards was called upon to bail out Drew Miller.

http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/gogriz.com/documents/2015/3/2/Football_2000_Season_Review.pdf

Maybe a lot of it was due to injury but I went to every game that season and it sure seemed that the crowd loved when Edwards came in to relieve Miller. We used to call Miller Doughboy because he was so immobile

 

[THE BETCH]

Have to disagree fahque. He was not a running qb, however the primary reason was that he stayed in the pocket longer than any qb I can remember and I go back a long time. Two things occurred because of that,1., passing routes opened up and 2., he took some very hard hits. JE picked up some valuable experience because of those hits but the fans around me in the NEZ were always damn happy when Drew returned. I loved the Miller era because there was always the chance something good was going to happen. For the record, I liked JE too, but Drew was by far the better passer.

 

[PlayerRep]

Have to disagree fahque. He was not a running qb, however the primary reason was that he stayed in the pocket longer than any qb I can remember and I go back a long time. Two things occurred because of that,1., passing routes opened up and 2., he took some very hard hits. JE picked up some valuable experience because of those hits but the fans around me in the NEZ were always damn happy when Drew returned. I loved the Miller era because there was always the chance something good was going to happen. For the record, I liked JE too, but Drew was by far the better passer.

This is my recollection too. Miller was a terrific qb, and a great passer. As you note, stood in the pocket to allow the pattern to open up.

 

[PlayerRep]

Wrong. Did Drew Miller need to be a threat running? No.

Gus can move but he stays in the pocket and allows his WR's to make plays at his expense. Much tougher to do than scramble for a few yards. Amazed at the obsession some of you still have for finding a soft QB who doesn't have the balls to sit in the pocket. Especially in this offense.

THAT'S not when he needs to be a running threat. He needs to be a running threat when he calls a RUNNING play. If the defense NEVER has to worry about the QB but can tee off on the only RB in the backfield on a running play, that isn't going to work long term...we saw that in the NDSU game. With Gus playing on 1 1/2 legs he absolutely wasn't going to run. Because of that the NDSU D teed up Nguyen all day. Need a QB that CAN run so he can pull the ball back if the DE crashes down.

Correct! You can't execute a "zone read" running play if the QB never keeps. It just becomes a deep handoff and we've seen how that works against a good DL, i.e. DOA running game.

It was a joke watching the zone read type handing being run without a QB run threat. If the QB isn't a run threat then it if futile to show that look. No tightend, fullback and a QB who won't keep it the back is screwed

Why do you seem to think that all running plays are zone read? They are not. The announcers were referring to dive plays. That's not zone read. I don't think the Griz were running much zone read. They were often doing other types of running plays and calling plays to set up play action passes. IF anyone actually knows the facts, pls speak up.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Steve Miller knows exactly what the facts is.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

THAT'S not when he needs to be a running threat. He needs to be a running threat when he calls a RUNNING play. If the defense NEVER has to worry about the QB but can tee off on the only RB in the backfield on a running play, that isn't going to work long term...we saw that in the NDSU game. With Gus playing on 1 1/2 legs he absolutely wasn't going to run. Because of that the NDSU D teed up Nguyen all day. Need a QB that CAN run so he can pull the ball back if the DE crashes down.

Correct! You can't execute a "zone read" running play if the QB never keeps. It just becomes a deep handoff and we've seen how that works against a good DL, i.e. DOA running game.

It was a joke watching the zone read type handing being run without a QB run threat. If the QB isn't a run threat then it if futile to show that look. No tightend, fullback and a QB who won't keep it the back is screwed

Why do you seem to think that all running plays are zone read? They are not. The announcers were referring to dive plays. That's not zone read. I don't think the Griz were running much zone read. They were often doing other types of running plays and calling plays to set up play action passes. IF anyone actually knows the facts, pls speak up.

In order for it to be a zone read there had to be a read. Most of our plays did not have a read for gus. The only time he had a read was on read option plays. They had a run pass option upon the snap. However most our plays that looked like zone read were designated by the pre call read. Gus had zero intention to take any carries. You can tell because gus never moved his shoulders with the handoff. If it was a read zone play gus would follow the runner with his shoulders. We saw this with chad and makena and gus early in the year. Not many times after he got hurt did he have a green light to run.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Why do you seem to think that all running plays are zone read? They are not. The announcers were referring to dive plays. That's not zone read. I don't think the Griz were running much zone read. They were often doing other types of running plays and calling plays to set up play action passes. IF anyone actually knows the facts, pls speak up.

In order for it to be a zone read there had to be a read. Most of our plays did not have a read for gus. The only time he had a read was on read option plays. They had a run pass option upon the snap. However most our plays that looked like zone read were designated by the pre call read. Gus had zero intention to take any carries. You can tell because gus never moved his shoulders with the handoff. If it was a read zone play gus would follow the runner with his shoulders. We saw this with chad and makena and gus early in the year. Not many times after he got hurt did he have a green light to run.

And honestly, I don't care what you call it. The QB was ZERO threat to run, therefore, the RB got teed up constantly. There WAS zone read early in the year and with Chalich & Simis, but not later (under gimpy Gus). When we came up against a REAL defense, that was a momentum killer.

 

[grizindabox]

With all the QB's coming what recruit would what to play here knowing it would always be a merry-go round.

Really.....you think the "merry-go-round" of a coach looking to make changes during the first year will be a trend....usually you want to withhold judgement of a trend....oh...I don't know....until there actually is a trend...you know....over say 2-3 years.....

 

[grizindabox]

just because a team uses zone blocking techniques does not mean the read-option is necessary to maintain a running game.....

 

[PlayerRep]

Why do you seem to think that all running plays are zone read? They are not. The announcers were referring to dive plays. That's not zone read. I don't think the Griz were running much zone read. They were often doing other types of running plays and calling plays to set up play action passes. IF anyone actually knows the facts, pls speak up.

In order for it to be a zone read there had to be a read. Most of our plays did not have a read for gus. The only time he had a read was on read option plays. They had a run pass option upon the snap. However most our plays that looked like zone read were designated by the pre call read. Gus had zero intention to take any carries. You can tell because gus never moved his shoulders with the handoff. If it was a read zone play gus would follow the runner with his shoulders. We saw this with chad and makena and gus early in the year. Not many times after he got hurt did he have a green light to run.

And honestly, I don't care what you call it. The QB was ZERO threat to run, therefore, the RB got teed up constantly. There WAS zone read early in the year and with Chalich & Simis, but not later (under gimpy Gus). When we came up against a REAL defense, that was a momentum killer.

Fair enough, but part of the discussion related to some people incorrectly thinking that UM was running zone read. Many teams don't have running quarterbacks, or don't want to have a qb get injured or further injured. Brady brings many things to the offense other than running, and Stitt has often said a running qb isn't necessary for the offense. Yes, we can all agree that Brady isn't a big runner. However, he is a big threat in the play action game, and in the run-pass option game.

 

[Ursus1]

THAT'S not when he needs to be a running threat. He needs to be a running threat when he calls a RUNNING play. If the defense NEVER has to worry about the QB but can tee off on the only RB in the backfield on a running play, that isn't going to work long term...we saw that in the NDSU game. With Gus playing on 1 1/2 legs he absolutely wasn't going to run. Because of that the NDSU D teed up Nguyen all day. Need a QB that CAN run so he can pull the ball back if the DE crashes down.

Correct! You can't execute a "zone read" running play if the QB never keeps. It just becomes a deep handoff and we've seen how that works against a good DL, i.e. DOA running game.

It was a joke watching the zone read type handing being run without a QB run threat. If the QB isn't a run threat then it if futile to show that look. No tightend, fullback and a QB who won't keep it the back is screwed

Why do you seem to think that all running plays are zone read? They are not. The announcers were referring to dive plays. That's not zone read. I don't think the Griz were running much zone read. They were often doing other types of running plays and calling plays to set up play action passes. IF anyone actually knows the facts, pls speak up.

Well if it wasn't a zone read setup, then the QB mechanics on a handoff and the timing of the back are the worst in history.....call it what you like. 5 linemen blocking for one back (no tight ends, no fullback and no QB run possibility it was a doomed playcall. That joke wouldn't set up play action....there needs to be an actual threat the run will be effective.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Why do you seem to think that all running plays are zone read? They are not. The announcers were referring to dive plays. That's not zone read. I don't think the Griz were running much zone read. They were often doing other types of running plays and calling plays to set up play action passes. IF anyone actually knows the facts, pls speak up.

In order for it to be a zone read there had to be a read. Most of our plays did not have a read for gus. The only time he had a read was on read option plays. They had a run pass option upon the snap. However most our plays that looked like zone read were designated by the pre call read. Gus had zero intention to take any carries. You can tell because gus never moved his shoulders with the handoff. If it was a read zone play gus would follow the runner with his shoulders. We saw this with chad and makena and gus early in the year. Not many times after he got hurt did he have a green light to run.

And honestly, I don't care what you call it. The QB was ZERO threat to run, therefore, the RB got teed up constantly. There WAS zone read early in the year and with Chalich & Simis, but not later (under gimpy Gus). When we came up against a REAL defense, that was a momentum killer.

Fair enough, but part of the discussion related to some people incorrectly thinking that UM was running zone read. Many teams don't have running quarterbacks, or don't want to have a qb get injured or further injured. Brady brings many things to the offense other than running, and Stitt has often said a running qb isn't necessary for the offense. Yes, we can all agree that Brady isn't a big runner. However, he is a big threat in the play action game, and in the run-pass option game.

UM didn't "run zone read". But they did occasionally run "zone read". But when the QB is never going to run the ball, the D can ignore the QB on designed zone read plays like NDSU did. That was my point about being a running threat. He DID keep it 3 times in the first game, with moderate success. ZERO times in the playoff loss--and I think NDSU KNEW he wouldn't run it with that bad leg.