Portal ruining FCS

[RoseyMustGo]

what are the enrollment issues you speak of? Not aware of any, but please enlighten me

Enrollment at Montana is approx 10,000-Montana State approx 17,000. Enrollment translates to revenue or lack of revenue. That’s an issue for UM.

Uhhhhh, there is no way that Montana will move-up to FBS without the Bobcats doing the same. The BOR would have to agree to fund both programs to facilitate the move-up. Soooooooooo, your enrollment answer is irrelevant. Doesn't MSU receive more state money for athletics than we do? Kinda the same situation for any move-up discussion, applying to BOTH state schools. All or nothing for a move-up for both schools

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Enrollment at Montana is approx 10,000-Montana State approx 17,000. Enrollment translates to revenue or lack of revenue. That’s an issue for UM.

Rosey is senile and already forgot about the enrollment decline. Or maybe he doesn’t know that tuition creates revenue.

Might want to take a break, AZ sunshine. Your posts are looking more desperate today

 

[kemajic]

It's not the portal that's the problem, it's merely a clearing house. The real problem is the rule change that players no longer have to sit a year for an FBS to FBS transfer. FCS had an advantage then as an FBS player could transfer to FCS without the sit. Advantage gone now and NIL to make it worse. Free agency. NCAA incapable of controlling anything football.

 

[grizare#1]

It's not the portal that's the problem, it's merely a clearing house. The real problem is the rule change that players no longer have to sit a year for an FBS to FBS transfer. FCS had an advantage then as an FBS player could transfer to FCS without the sit. Advantage gone now and NIL to make it worse. Free agency. NCAA incapable of controlling anything football.

Got that right, Bobby said it best, coaches no longer can plan for anything other than a team come next August. Beyond that

 

[RoseyMustGo]

It's not the portal that's the problem, it's merely a clearing house. The real problem is the rule change that players no longer have to sit a year for an FBS to FBS transfer. FCS had an advantage then as an FBS player could transfer to FCS without the sit. Advantage gone now and NIL to make it worse. Free agency. NCAA incapable of controlling anything football.

Yes. We finally agree on something. But, that makes recruiting high school players that much more important, right?

 

[GrizMania]

It's not the portal that's the problem, it's merely a clearing house. The real problem is the rule change that players no longer have to sit a year for an FBS to FBS transfer. FCS had an advantage then as an FBS player could transfer to FCS without the sit. Advantage gone now and NIL to make it worse. Free agency. NCAA incapable of controlling anything football.

+1

 

[RainierGriz]

For those of you who think that the portal will provide the way for the Griz to RTD, here are some sobering things regarding the portal to consider.
The best players in the portal have already committed to other FBS schools, and will receive NIL money to do so. I have attached a portal site which actually gives the NIL portal value for players. How can we expect to compete with teams giving thousands of dollars to a 20 year old kid?
We will get the leftovers instead. Not the type of players who can turn a program around.
IMO, high school recruiting should still be the way to build a team, not trying to band-aid positions of need by using the portal. Yes, it is true, that players recruited out of high school who excel at the FCS level, will certainly enter the portal to seek NIL money as well as playing at a higher level. So, you have to keep recruiting solid high school talent to re-stock the cupboard when one of your star players leaves for the portal.
I think the Cats are doing a much better job of that currently.
The Cats new high school QB recruit, Chance Wilson, had 11 offers (4 from FBS schools) and one from North Dakota State. Yet, here we sit at Montana with no high school QB recruit, and only hope that we can sign a good portal QB. I think we are banking on finding a great portal QB following spring practice, when many will hit the portal. But, the best ones will probably receive NIL money and sign elsewhere.
The report on Jack Tuttle is that he signed with Michigan because he received over $70K in NIL money. Why would he sign with us for zero money, when he can get $70K?
In summary, I think the portal will turn out to be the worst thing to happen to FCS football. I have never been an advocate to move-up to FBS before, but I might change my mind on that because of what is happening to NCAA football.

https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/football/2023/

 

[CDAGRIZ]

For those of you who think that the portal will provide the way for the Griz to RTD, here are some sobering things regarding the portal to consider.
The best players in the portal have already committed to other FBS schools, and will receive NIL money to do so. I have attached a portal site which actually gives the NIL portal value for players. How can we expect to compete with teams giving thousands of dollars to a 20 year old kid?
We will get the leftovers instead. Not the type of players who can turn a program around.
IMO, high school recruiting should still be the way to build a team, not trying to band-aid positions of need by using the portal. Yes, it is true, that players recruited out of high school who excel at the FCS level, will certainly enter the portal to seek NIL money as well as playing at a higher level. So, you have to keep recruiting solid high school talent to re-stock the cupboard when one of your star players leaves for the portal.
I think the Cats are doing a much better job of that currently.
The Cats new high school QB recruit, Chance Wilson, had 11 offers (4 from FBS schools) and one from North Dakota State. Yet, here we sit at Montana with no high school QB recruit, and only hope that we can sign a good portal QB. I think we are banking on finding a great portal QB following spring practice, when many will hit the portal. But, the best ones will probably receive NIL money and sign elsewhere.
The report on Jack Tuttle is that he signed with Michigan because he received over $70K in NIL money. Why would he sign with us for zero money, when he can get $70K?
In summary, I think the portal will turn out to be the worst thing to happen to FCS football. I have never been an advocate to move-up to FBS before, but I might change my mind on that because of what is happening to NCAA football.

https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/football/2023/

Early candidate for POTY. Well done.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The portal/no-sit rules are not ruining FCS. But changing football a lot.

I have opposed portal/no-sit/NIL from before they started. NIL is the worst of the 3.

These things are bad for college football. Football is now pretty much professional, particular in FBS and also FCS to some extent. There's no argument that football is part of the university mission now, except for money and entertainment.

No such thing as student-athlete. No such thing as amateur. More players playing for themselves, and not the sport, the team or the school.

Some lower level cash-strapped FCS schools will not want to fund football, sooner or later. I don't see leaders of schools like UM and MSU wanting to push into FBS, unless there became a clear path to money to pay for it.

The ncaa is now a complete joke and has little authority over anyone. They hand out trophies. They run the ncaa hoops tourneys, but the schools don't need them for that. They let NIL completely get away from them with no rules or guidelines.

NIL is skewing almost anything.

The top of FCS will continue to get good players from the portal. Most good players will want to play somewhere, if not stay with their teams as backups. The lower FCS will lose many of its good players.

If some FCS schools get bigger NIL funds, then that will skew things. If the oil boom comes back, NDSU will be rolling in NIL dough.

I'm a bit surprised UM doesn't seem to have more NIL funds. If Bobby encouraged it, I think there would be some money.

If smart kids were interested in money, and smart, they would go to the Ivies. Would make zillions more after graduation and have more opportunities. Would not wreck their bodies. No playoffs. No live tackling in practice. The top players would continue to have an avenue to the NFL.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Early candidate for POTY. Well done.

Yeah, instead of discussing football, we can read your daily drivel, trying to be cutesy and pithy. You're a real comedy act. You should get an agent and stop handling yourself

 

[garizzalies]

Huot has not changed positions and I expect to see him competing for the QB job in the spring.

How many FCS or FBS offers did Huot have out of high school? If he was that good, don't you think our coaches would have played him over Brown, when LJ got hurt? He was 4th in the QB room last season, and suddenly he will be The Answer?

Let me get this straight..... Huot was hardly recruited....... was 4th string in the QB room this season....... was not even awarded scout team player of the year like Britt was..... but he will be The Answer at QB??? Yes, you are 100% correct that he will be "competing" for the starting QB job. So what? Do you want a medal for that astute observation? LOL

Little old man, you’re such a pathetic loser and joke who knows nothing about football. You weren’t good enough to play 50 years ago. Can’t imagine that sagging bag of jello now. Picking your ass and running out the back of the Mo club. A troll living in AZ who has not been to a game in years. Normally, I could careless about your pedestrian posts with no football knowledge, but these posts struck a nerve because you denigrated a player. You can say all your big words about the coaches but can you please have more respect for the players? Is that too much to ask?
Just some kid doing his best. Does your hot air make you feel bigger?

 

[Spanky2]

The portal/no-sit rules are not ruining FCS. But changing football a lot.

I have opposed portal/no-sit/NIL from before they started. NIL is the worst of the 3.

These things are bad for college football. Football is now pretty much professional, particular in FBS and also FCS to some extent. There's no argument that football is part of the university mission now, except for money and entertainment.

No such thing as student-athlete. No such thing as amateur. More players playing for themselves, and not the sport, the team or the school.

Some lower level cash-strapped FCS schools will not want to fund football, sooner or later. I don't see leaders of schools like UM and MSU wanting to push into FBS, unless there became a clear path to money to pay for it.

The ncaa is now a complete joke and has little authority over anyone. They hand out trophies. They run the ncaa hoops tourneys, but the schools don't need them for that. They let NIL completely get away from them with no rules or guidelines.

NIL is skewing almost anything.

The top of FCS will continue to get good players from the portal. Most good players will want to play somewhere, if not stay with their teams as backups. The lower FCS will lose many of its good players.

If some FCS schools get bigger NIL funds, then that will skew things. If the oil boom comes back, NDSU will be rolling in NIL dough.

I'm a bit surprised UM doesn't seem to have more NIL funds. If Bobby encouraged it, I think there would be some money.

If smart kids were interested in money, and smart, they would go to the Ivies. Would make zillions more after graduation and have more opportunities. Would not wreck their bodies. No playoffs. No live tackling in practice. The top players would continue to have an avenue to the NFL.

I wonder how a school like Montana retains good players given the lure of more NIL money if they attempt to move to a FBS school via the portal?

 

[RoseyMustGo]

How many FCS or FBS offers did Huot have out of high school? If he was that good, don't you think our coaches would have played him over Brown, when LJ got hurt? He was 4th in the QB room last season, and suddenly he will be The Answer?

Let me get this straight..... Huot was hardly recruited....... was 4th string in the QB room this season....... was not even awarded scout team player of the year like Britt was..... but he will be The Answer at QB??? Yes, you are 100% correct that he will be "competing" for the starting QB job. So what? Do you want a medal for that astute observation? LOL

Little old man, you’re such a pathetic loser and joke who knows nothing about football. You weren’t good enough to play 50 years ago. Can’t imagine that sagging bag of jello now. Picking your ass and running out the back of the Mo club. A troll living in AZ who has not been to a game in years. Normally, I could careless about your pedestrian posts with no football knowledge, but these posts struck a nerve because you denigrated a player. You can say all your big words about the coaches but can you please have more respect for the players? Is that too much to ask?
Just some kid doing his best. Does your hot air make you feel bigger?

Take your meds. I live in Missoula. I attended every home game, and two road games. I did not denigrate Huot. But I think you denigrated Brown, right?

 

[bigsky33]

The portal/no-sit rules are not ruining FCS. But changing football a lot.

I have opposed portal/no-sit/NIL from before they started. NIL is the worst of the 3.

These things are bad for college football. Football is now pretty much professional, particular in FBS and also FCS to some extent. There's no argument that football is part of the university mission now, except for money and entertainment.

No such thing as student-athlete. No such thing as amateur. More players playing for themselves, and not the sport, the team or the school.

Some lower level cash-strapped FCS schools will not want to fund football, sooner or later. I don't see leaders of schools like UM and MSU wanting to push into FBS, unless there became a clear path to money to pay for it.

The ncaa is now a complete joke and has little authority over anyone. They hand out trophies. They run the ncaa hoops tourneys, but the schools don't need them for that. They let NIL completely get away from them with no rules or guidelines.

NIL is skewing almost anything.

The top of FCS will continue to get good players from the portal. Most good players will want to play somewhere, if not stay with their teams as backups. The lower FCS will lose many of its good players.

If some FCS schools get bigger NIL funds, then that will skew things. If the oil boom comes back, NDSU will be rolling in NIL dough.

I'm a bit surprised UM doesn't seem to have more NIL funds. If Bobby encouraged it, I think there would be some money.

If smart kids were interested in money, and smart, they would go to the Ivies. Would make zillions more after graduation and have more opportunities. Would not wreck their bodies. No playoffs. No live tackling in practice. The top players would continue to have an avenue to the NFL.

Good summary of the portal and NIL. Coaches are struggling to find the right formula of high school recruits vs portal transfers. It is all still evolving so that makes it more difficult. If you have built a good program with good depth, then you have kids that are lower on the depth chart that want more playing time and go elsewhere. Some to other FCS schools or drop down to Div II or lower. The really good FCS players look to move up and get more exposure and NIL money. The outlook for the FCS appears to be pretty bleak. College football as a whole needs a complete re-set. At the current pace it is going money-wise with the NIL and coaches salaries at the FBS level, is it sustainable?

 

[Bok_Choi]

The portal/no-sit rules are not ruining FCS. But changing football a lot.

I have opposed portal/no-sit/NIL from before they started. NIL is the worst of the 3.

These things are bad for college football. Football is now pretty much professional, particular in FBS and also FCS to some extent. There's no argument that football is part of the university mission now, except for money and entertainment.

No such thing as student-athlete. No such thing as amateur. More players playing for themselves, and not the sport, the team or the school.

Some lower level cash-strapped FCS schools will not want to fund football, sooner or later. I don't see leaders of schools like UM and MSU wanting to push into FBS, unless there became a clear path to money to pay for it.

The ncaa is now a complete joke and has little authority over anyone. They hand out trophies. They run the ncaa hoops tourneys, but the schools don't need them for that. They let NIL completely get away from them with no rules or guidelines.

NIL is skewing almost anything.

The top of FCS will continue to get good players from the portal. Most good players will want to play somewhere, if not stay with their teams as backups. The lower FCS will lose many of its good players.

If some FCS schools get bigger NIL funds, then that will skew things. If the oil boom comes back, NDSU will be rolling in NIL dough.

I'm a bit surprised UM doesn't seem to have more NIL funds. If Bobby encouraged it, I think there would be some money.

If smart kids were interested in money, and smart, they would go to the Ivies. Would make zillions more after graduation and have more opportunities. Would not wreck their bodies. No playoffs. No live tackling in practice. The top players would continue to have an avenue to the NFL.

I wonder how a school like Montana retains good players given the lure of more NIL money if they attempt to move to a FBS school via the portal?

Hire a business guy to establish and run your NIL. This current management is likely well-meaning, but leaving the effort to someone learning on the fly isn't likely the best strategy out of the gate. Too many elements, including effort, clearly missing.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The portal/no-sit rules are not ruining FCS. But changing football a lot.

I have opposed portal/no-sit/NIL from before they started. NIL is the worst of the 3.

These things are bad for college football. Football is now pretty much professional, particular in FBS and also FCS to some extent. There's no argument that football is part of the university mission now, except for money and entertainment.

No such thing as student-athlete. No such thing as amateur. More players playing for themselves, and not the sport, the team or the school.

Some lower level cash-strapped FCS schools will not want to fund football, sooner or later. I don't see leaders of schools like UM and MSU wanting to push into FBS, unless there became a clear path to money to pay for it.

The ncaa is now a complete joke and has little authority over anyone. They hand out trophies. They run the ncaa hoops tourneys, but the schools don't need them for that. They let NIL completely get away from them with no rules or guidelines.

NIL is skewing almost anything.

The top of FCS will continue to get good players from the portal. Most good players will want to play somewhere, if not stay with their teams as backups. The lower FCS will lose many of its good players.

If some FCS schools get bigger NIL funds, then that will skew things. If the oil boom comes back, NDSU will be rolling in NIL dough.

I'm a bit surprised UM doesn't seem to have more NIL funds. If Bobby encouraged it, I think there would be some money.

If smart kids were interested in money, and smart, they would go to the Ivies. Would make zillions more after graduation and have more opportunities. Would not wreck their bodies. No playoffs. No live tackling in practice. The top players would continue to have an avenue to the NFL.

Good post, and exactly where I stand regarding portal/sit/NIL…NCAA has completely lost control.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Early candidate for POTY. Well done.

Yeah, instead of discussing football, we can read your daily drivel, trying to be cutesy and pithy. You're a real comedy act. You should get an agent and stop handling yourself

Boomed me. :roll:

 

[garizzalies]

Little old man, you’re such a pathetic loser and joke who knows nothing about football. You weren’t good enough to play 50 years ago. Can’t imagine that sagging bag of jello now. Picking your ass and running out the back of the Mo club. A troll living in AZ who has not been to a game in years. Normally, I could careless about your pedestrian posts with no football knowledge, but these posts struck a nerve because you denigrated a player. You can say all your big words about the coaches but can you please have more respect for the players? Is that too much to ask?
Just some kid doing his best. Does your hot air make you feel bigger?

Take your meds. I live in Missoula. I attended every home game, and two road games. I did not denigrate Huot. But I think you denigrated Brown, right?

Liar. Troll. Nobody believes you; you are not fooling anyone.
We all knew you were a degenerate, now you proved in black-n-white that you like to denigrate the players. Not much lower than that, troll.
Why don’t you go pretend to be a #scumcat? You’d fit right in.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Take your meds. I live in Missoula. I attended every home game, and two road games. I did not denigrate Huot. But I think you denigrated Brown, right?

Liar. Troll. Nobody believes you; you are not fooling anyone.
We all knew you were a degenerate, now you proved in black-n-white that you like to denigrate the players. Not much lower than that, troll.
Why don’t you go pretend to be a #scumcat? You’d fit right in.

You offer nothing to the board but whining. Go away. We don't need your vitriol on here.

 

[garizzalies]

Liar. Troll. Nobody believes you; you are not fooling anyone.
We all knew you were a degenerate, now you proved in black-n-white that you like to denigrate the players. Not much lower than that, troll.
Why don’t you go pretend to be a #scumcat? You’d fit right in.

You offer nothing to the board but whining. Go away. We don't need your vitriol on here.

When you say “we” are you talking about your other screen names?
Are you embarrassed to get called out as an old man denigrating kids? You should be. It’s pathetic.
You offer nothing to the board but lies. Such a loser. The board does not need you denigrating the players. Go cheer for your #scumcats elsewhere.